Eld's

[elvencaster]

Just wondering what the general thought on Eldritches are now. With the three spec lines Eld's have, is there really any point in being an Eld at all?

To put it bluntly, mana = chanter, light = menta, void = gimped spec line that's no use at all.

Any opinions please post them here, I'm losing faith in Hibernia and DAoC as a whole.

- Agraulith, level 50 Eldritch.

 

[Ensceptifica]

People should stop worrying about whether or not there's other classes more über than theirs. Most people here will tell you what/how to play to be the BEST. That kind of goal doesn't belong in an rpg imho. Light menta's nukes are stronger, chanters pbaoe is stronger, void is gimped bla bla. Just play what ever is satisfactory, and don't worry about whether or not some one else is getting more rps than you. Group with the people you have fun with, and you'll take any rps as a nice bonus.

 

[elvencaster]

All I'm saying is that the entire Eldritch class isn't satisfactory at all. Why be an Eld when you can be an Enchanter or Mentalist which both give you alot more abilites. Which therefore makes you more useful when it comes to grouping or RvR.

I've no experience with either the enchanter or mana Eld, but I can comment on light and void.

Basically the entire point of this game comes down to RvR, and most of that is done in the Emain bowl for some strange reason.
Now, when you're forming a group you want o feel useful, like you're doing something to help. The light Eldritch is fairly useful in groups, with the near sight and aoe mez. However, when it comes to mezzing bards take care of that. And let's face it, if there isn't a bard in the group there's really no point in trying to survive in Emain. Anyway.. The Light menta also has the same light based dd's that the eld has, plus it's own spec line dd, aoe dd and some nice dot's. They can also heal, and provide support with their pot's. All in all, the menta is a far more useful char to have in an RvR group than a light Eld.

Next you move onto void, there's really no comparison to this spec line with the other casters in the realm. Bolts are bugged, so are pretty useless in RvR. They don't get a spec dd, only the aoe which to be honest isn't all that great either. As all void spells are cold based damage, it's extremely gimped. Granted we're getting the gtaoe energy damage spell in 1.52, but there's a 6 second recast on that so it's really not all that great.

Now, when it comes to having fun, which you're supposed to as it's a game, you simply can't with either of those classes. As a void eld, I really don't feel like I'm helping the group at all, and as I'm also half light.. I don't really seem to be making much different.

I get constant comments from groups, and individuals, that my character sucks simply because of my spec line. It was a real pain while I was still exping, and thought it would get better when it came to RvR.. BIG let down.

I do enjoy RvR when I'm in a nice group, however nobody can deny that an eldritch is really only just leaching rp's.

-Agra

 

[exc_hib_boo]

Mana eld still viable?

Any eldritch with nearsight is useful (I hate begin nearsighted!)

Mana eld's got AE 73 STR/CON debuff, aint that usefull? as a mage I will be forever rooted with that debuff.

Also got DD/Snare, its cold damage and not as good damage (plenty of resists) as light spec nukes, but the snare makes it worthwhile, the tanks hate that.

last but not least you get pbaoe for keep sieges.

Maybe these things are not of very much use in RvR but it looks good on paper.

 

[Whandall]

Why dont u ask Lessurl about void? He really had a hard time getting up to 50 but i think he really enjoys RvR now. With his bolt hes the ultimate caster killing machine on a very good range.

 

[old.Derszu]

tis true...

i have the same feeling...

when i started with daoc i always thought elds are nukers, chanter is pet-class and mentalist dot-class/cc...

but as it turns out light mentas are a bit overpowered...

and mana chanters have replaced mana elds as they have the better pbae

...and i am saying this as a mana ment... *sigh*

 

[Danya]

For PvE I prefer my light ment - the regen makes downtime lower and you can heal etc. For RvR (so far only tested in BGs mind) I find the eldritch better. The main problem with mentalist being bolt casters and archers kick the crap out of you. With a light eldritch you just nearsight them. Nearsight is what makes playing light eldritch worthwhile.

Also eld pbae and chanter pbae are the same, it's just easier to level a chanter cos you have the pet.

 

[Kobold]

I have tried both light eld and liht ment in BG too and mentalist is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better and more fun, alltrough he was a bit twinked...survived to get PAed from infils/SBs...qc mez, go on range, heal up for the poison, stun, blast blast (maybe a 3rd blast), dead

Allso in big fight use aoe DD, interrupts everyone, kill some and leetch lotsa rps

 

[old.Xanthian]

Mana Chanter and Mana Eld are totally different spec lines imo

Other than pbaoe, Eld's line is far far better..

AoE Disease 400 Radius 3Mins
AoE 73 Str/Con Decrease 350 Radius 1Min
AoE DD + 60% Attack Speed Decrease
DD + 60% Walking Speed Decrease

And at lvl 50 the DD+Snare I do 450-550 dmg on TANKS with.
Now you tell me that chanters are better.

Light Eld and Light Ment are Totally different

AoE Mezz
Nearsight
Dex/Quick Debuff

 

[old.LandShark]

and you PBAE'd me for 600 yesterday ;(
at least i think it was you.
Tbh I hope it wasn't, if you can PBAE me for 600+ through 31% cold resist.... :E

 

[Lessurl]

Void bolts are not as gimped as you think. So you can't kill tanks with them, just learn to pick the right target. Most of the time in a large battle the mages at the back will be far enough away from the fight so that the stupid in combat bug doesn't kick in. Except when that damn tank decides to charge the mage just as you are bolting, blocks your bolt then procedes to get kill by the other mages around there.

Don't have the log but last night in emain bowl, big battle going on. Spotted yellow con sorc (no epic so perhaps not 50) cast bolt bolt flies i begin my normal qc second bolt but bolt hits and..
You have just hit XXXX for 9XX (-53) damage
You have just killed XXXX
You recieve pie... etc.
So tell me i'm useless in rvr? In one cast i've just removed one of their primary mezzers. Didn't even need a crit to do it.

And rp leach, lol. Very often in grp v grp battles i'll scroll up after the fight and discover that 4+ out of the 8 kills were attributed to me.

Btw rvr has got a lot better since i maxed out my +light to get light to 40 and got a 100% light focus staff and switched to light dd instead of void. Far better seeing (-XX) than (-1XX) on each dd.

But anyway, every class and spec is good if played correctly (to complement it's strengths). Well, maybe not every (thinks about mentalism spec ment).
I find i am a good dder in situations where we get the mez in and i am assisting a tank to kill but excel when it's all just a big mess. I can nearsight their casters, sneak into bolt range and kill. Back off, help tanks a bit, then repeat once timer reset.
Bolt mages excel at killing mages. With the battle cry of kill the mages first bein a very popular one then i don't see why people have it against voiders in rvr. We can kill them without havin to close on them and risk root/chain dd/death.

Oh btw, i have a secondary in light so have all the tools except the uber dd's and i can say that playin like a light eld (with light staff and light dd for upcplose) is nowhere near as fun as playin like a voider. Spottin the mages at the back, slappin on a few nearsights then sneakin into range and boltin then backing off before you get shot too. Wall fights and keep defence are also great fun as a voider. Maybe you should stop readin the hype about gimped void and give it a try.

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
Tbh I hope it wasn't, if you can PBAE me for 600+ through 31% cold resist.... :E

*cough* maybe because pbaoe is energy damage, and not cold *cough*

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
and you PBAE'd me for 600 yesterday ;(
at least i think it was you.
Tbh I hope it wasn't, if you can PBAE me for 600+ through 31% cold resist.... :E

Pbaoe is energy based
Don;t worry, i'll whine about your cold resist. Grrr, rargh, mumble grumble.
Just aswell i've switched to the light dd.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

As a voider with a splash of light. I have to agree with Lessurl. Our bolts can and do own when used well. I frequently one shot without critting with my major bolt on yellow cons, and bolt, cq bolt, run back seems to end the lives of a fair few opponents... Bolts are very suituational, but you tell me you wouldnt like a damage ability with longer range than all but recurves and does 9xx damage?

As for the DD, well yes, it aint good getting -1xx but, I still use it and challenge anyone to survive the dds that follow a 9 sec stunn (except tanks with ip).

I love playing void/light there are so many options, so many ranged options, Nearsight, bolt, ranged aoe, debuffs all have their uses.

I have held off numbers of enemies at milegates by spamming the doors with aoe from a safe range, also stopping stealthers along the way.

In short, I know void has its problems, slow cast times, high resists, bolts that miss. But if you play a void intelligently you can find it a rich and rewarding class to play and I think thats the point im trying to make here. Not that void is uber, but it is certainly a fun mage to play, a mage with options, or at least I have found it to be.

I wont be respecing. No, not ever.

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by Lessurl
Just aswell i've switched to the light dd.

which is cold based

fear the albs/mids lvl 5, 15% cold resist rings/jewelry/cloaks/armour/buffs... they have too damn many of 'em!

 

[<Harle>]

Sorry, but somehow this next passage from the hibernia class-decriptions came to my mind - especially the quotes

Void Eldritch
Few classes are as disdained by leveling groups as Void Eldritches. Nothing makes a group sigh and shake their head quite like hearing they cannot pbae or even pull. Marked by a devout patience for leveling up but insane hatred for the numerous bolt bugs in daoc, the void eld convinces himself it will be alright once he's in RVR and pharming realm points which is the only reason he has patience for exping. Void eldritches are fond of spamming a 2 damage aoedd that obscures everyones vision (and breaks mez) with a big black and purple void sphere while at standoffs at the AMG. Their only fear is the wily assassin.
Typical quotes:
"freakin bolts...so useless"
"LOL god i love bolts! i just 1-shotted him!"
"eldritch lfg! sigh no i cannot pbae...."

 

[foolou]

Elds leeching rp in rvr ?

LOL

Gimme a speed buff in baseline and I won't need no group anymore.

Nerf runemasters !

 

[cbh_skyrie]

--;;

First off, im a fully mana specced eld, lvl 50 and r3l0.

-- mana --

Both my pbaoe and dd is energy based (thus low resists).

Speccing 50 mana/20 light pays:

PBAoE... speaks for itself, very useful when defending keeps.

Spec snare DD: altho not doing as much dmg as the light spec one, you still do ALOT of damage.... im currently hitting for around 395 (-35) on most ppl.

AE DD: has an attack speed debuff; nice when soloing blue cons (possible to solo 4-5 blue cons using two of these, a pb and a qc pb - pays nice grp bonuses). Dont use it in rvr, ppl will have ur head for breaking mezz with this one

AE disease and con/str debuff: very nice, tho I dont use it all that much.

-- light --

Nearsight: speccing 20 in light you get the second range debuff. Very nice when fighting mages, or when youre defending urself against attacking archers.

AE mez: only 15 sec with this spec, but its very handy should you encounter more albs or mids than your bard can mez or if youre lacking a such one. Has allowed me to solo multiple lvl 50s at a time.

The problem with speccing mana is that almost all your spells are 3 sec to cast.

I've been doing quite alotta rvr these last days, and I dont consider myself gimped at all At the moment I'm at a LAN with a lvl 50 runemaster from prydwen. He nukes better than me, but I have alot more things to throw at the enemy than he has O well, just my pow.... A mana eldrith is very nice, i recommend making one

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by old.Charonel


which is cold based

fear the albs/mids lvl 5, 15% cold resist rings/jewelry/cloaks/armour/buffs... they have too damn many of 'em!

I think you'll find i was talking about the baseline light dd, which is heat based.

As respec isn't in yet i think i'd have a hard time switchin to the spec one, unless you think i'm using the crappy one i get for my 27 pts in light.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by elvencaster


I do enjoy RvR when I'm in a nice group, however nobody can deny that an eldritch is really only just leaching rp's.

-Agra

Yes we can, and we would be right.

Read the other realm forums, see how much they hate a 9 sec stunn and dd's with relic bonus. Youll even see mention of 'blue blobs of death' occasionally. A good party needs a nuker or 2, whether light, mana or void. Its not the spec of the eldritch, but the skill of the player and the team they are in that makes a difference.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by foolou
Elds leeching rp in rvr ?

LOL

Gimme a speed buff in baseline and I won't need no group anymore.

Nerf runemasters !

lol, yes please

 

[hiane]

Hi

When Forming an RVR grp I always pm Boni in /As as he rocks.

I believe that any class no matter how much Goa/Mythic gimp it can be a good addition to any group as long as you enjoy playing the game and have great friends to grp with.

And yes im a gimped Ranger. But i still enjoy my time in game.

stop whineing and just enjoy the company of the friends you have made and grps become no problem.

 

[Novamir]

nearsight= essential in good rvr group
castable stun= essential good in rvr group
nukes= useful

looks like an eld to me

the problem with void at the moment is not the line, but the damage type. i would say that every single level 50 alb/mid has 26%+ cold resist :/

however bolts are still the coolest thing in daoc

 

[Calere]

new spell for u voidies

Patch 1.51

- Added ground targeted area effect direct damage to Eldritch Void spec:

16 Sphere of Negation
23 Sphere of Oblivion
34 Sphere of Annihilation
43 Sphere of Unmaking

Cast it at AMG and all those pesky Albs when find themselves zergin' a load of Kangaroos down under

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Novamir


the problem with void at the moment is not the line, but the damage type. i would say that every single level 50 alb/mid has 26%+ cold resist :/

Yup, why i switched to baseline light dd instead until if/when they fix it. So light has a slight variance on it when void has none, still consistantly does more damage thanks to the cold resists. Oh and it casts faster and has a slightly higher cap too. Which is nice.

 

[Qte Eth]

yep void elds are soo gimped they have to use their base light nuke coz it does more damage then their spec nuke xD
sorry peeps dont say void is any good in rvr most fun is to read about that uber bolt crits-happens twice in void eld life but that story will be told to everyone to prove they arent useless
i have hit with my dd for 685+224 on 50 level target =)
to say about mana eld-i have to say its a nice spec with a big varety of spells and aoe str &con debuff sounds very fun=))
while its hard to compare this with mana ench coz he has less variety but has got uber pet speed and 50% heat debuff..

 

[Novamir]

well , when I played nuke, my first speccd bolt that I unleashed one-shotted Outlaw was sweet

and letting loose on the aoes is SO fun. i expect gtaoe will be much the same.

cold is still a gimped dmg type tho :|

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by Lessurl



I think you'll find i was talking about the baseline light dd, which is heat based.

As respec isn't in yet i think i'd have a hard time switchin to the spec one, unless you think i'm using the crappy one i get for my 27 pts in light.

that is rather a good point but i was thinking more along the lines that you were saying you were GOING to switch to using light nukes, ie the cold based spec ones at respec

personally i dont see any reason why the hell the light spec nukes are cold based, but there ya go.

 

[Noche]

Coz u as a light eldritch got light heat based dmg and cold spec dmg.

NSs r by FAR the best caster in hib, proved, why u tnk all those infils use that as an arguement about we r balanced with their +.3 spec and infamous Dragon Fang?

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
sorry peeps dont say void is any good in rvr most fun is to read about that uber bolt crits-happens twice in void eld life but that story will be told to everyone to prove they arent useless
i have hit with my dd for 685+224 on 50 level target =)
..

Well with 46 + 14 + 50 in void and a few points in Wild Arcana you might well be suprised how often that happens

685 damamge eh, that sounds like my baseline bolt on a bad day!

Its is a shame about the cold damage, and im not going to deny most of my spells get an almost as impressive negative modifer after them. I can only hope that come spellcrafting this wont be just cold spells... I certainly dont think youll be seeing +224 if your spells are the ones that are seen to be most damaging by our enemies...?