Eld specing

[Krissy]

Yes u may of found many of these posts but bare with me plz

I am planing on specing 46 void rest mana, instead of the more conventonal light.
I am doing this because im making my character a more "keep" based character. Also with fall off coming in any Sub mezer classes are just gimps anyhow so only good thing would be nearsight which is not exactly needed imo.

I could get 46 void 28 mana for an ok aoe con/strength debuff and a okish PBAE for help with jenkz in the lord room defence when were at lvl (he be an overpowered mana chanter).

Just wondering if u had any other ideas about specing an eldritch, even if its not void i may lvl another one up and i would like to know what the good specs are, even for just Battle Ground alts.

Thank You for ur time

 

[Danya]

You seem to be unclear on why to spec light...
You spec light to nuke, not to ghetto-mez. Light has a 209 dmg, 2.8s spec nuke and a 179 dmg 2.6s base nuke. Void has a 171 dmg, 3.0s base nuke. Seeing a difference? Light is not a gimp spec. Also nearsight seriously rocks.
You spec mana to PBAE. Don't really need to say anymore.
You spec void to be a gimp. Bolts suck. They suck hard. Assuming you even hit against most targets you get blocked by a shield anyway so loose half your damage. And they take ages to cast.

Recommended specs are:
45 light / 29 mana (best light nuke, best nearsight, reasonable pbae)
47 light / 26 mana (as above but with best ae mez)
47 light / 26 void (trades pbae for gtae)
45 light / 29 void (likewise)
48 mana / 2x light (best pbae, reasonable nearsight)
48 mana / 2x void (best pbae, reasonable GTAE)

 

[Ensceptifica]

I used to have an eld specced in void. It was utterly boring, the bolts miss a lot and the aoe wasn't that super. I believe with GTaoe void should become more interesting though, but dunno a lot about that.

I've specced in light now. The aoe mez is great, the nukes are good, and the nearsight rocks in RvR. It certainly is more interesting in pve groups anyway, imho.

Most mages I know spec in either void or light and take a bit of mana for the pbaoe which is so popular in pve groups. I dunno anyone who has void and light and nothing in mana.

 

[oblivion_6]

Im totally void just now 27

and its great for solo, my bolts never really miss and it means on oranges i can do 2/3rds damage with two spells then i can stun em and cast of a couple of DD's and waste em

Also in groups its good as i can use AOE spells and cause bout 150 dmg to 4 mobs at the one time

I havent tried it rvr yet so i cant comment on that

I cant see why void eld is boring

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by oblivion_6
Im totally void just now 27

and its great for solo, my bolts never really miss and it means on oranges i can do 2/3rds damage with two spells then i can stun em and cast of a couple of DD's and waste em

Also in groups its good as i can use AOE spells and cause bout 150 dmg to 4 mobs at the one time

I havent tried it rvr yet so i cant comment on that

I cant see why void eld is boring

Well in groups, mana pbaoe is usually way better damage than void aoe. And I quit void because it was boring as hell to solo. In RvR the bolts are hardly useful unless you do a lot of 1vs1; in big skirmishes bolts just don't hit, ever (in my experience). I dunno what the void aoe and gtaoe do in RvR though; I expect those are more useful/safe than pbaoe.

And as a light eld I can solo orange mobs ( ; But if you wanna take it pure for the pure nuke power (and don't care about aoe mez and nearsight), you should consider making a light mentalist instead.

 

[foolou]

I'm void/light 38/38 giving me second strongest bolt, singletarget nuke, aoe-nuke, aoe-mezz and with next patch gtaoe.

I think it's a pretty versatile spec .. can kill teams of 2 orange mobs, even solo finliaths and the specline-lightDD rocks in rvr.

The mezz is pretty much useless in RVR except in certain situtations .. took out a minstrell and a firewizzy with mezz/stun and nukes once.

It's not the only choice to go for the strongest spells in one line.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
I used to have an eld specced in void. It was utterly boring, the bolts miss a lot and the aoe wasn't that super. I believe with GTaoe void should become more interesting though, but dunno a lot about that.

Void boring, rargh!!
Pve void can be great fun, from one boltin yellow leps with a reasonable crit (doesn;t even have to be that big and happens quite often with Wild Power 2) To soloin red con banshees. And watchin that mage who was happily nukin away at your tanks suddenly panic as your first bolt hits and drops him to a mm health is priceless. And in grps it's just as fun, if not more so than a pbaoer. We haev to debuff each mob as they come in, plus if we do get aggroed we are further back and get a chance to sort it ourselves (stun, chain cast dd normally does the trick) Pbers first they know about havin aggro is the nasty munchin on their ass.

Originally posted by Dannyn

You spec void to be a gimp. Bolts suck. They suck hard. Assuming you even hit against most targets you get blocked by a shield anyway so loose half your damage. And they take ages to cast.

Bolts may be bugged but they don't completely suck. Tell that to the mages i kill when i pop up over wall at amg or keep defence and bolt, qc, bolt em then dive back under cover before their mages/archers can fry/pincushion me.

Originally posted by Ensceptifica

Most mages I know spec in either void or light and take a bit of mana for the pbaoe which is so popular in pve groups. I dunno anyone who has void and light and nothing in mana.

I am void/light. Tho i don't have no points in mana, i made a mistake at early levels and put some in mana bcos i thought disease sounded like it was well worth only 6 points in a spec. What a noob.
I am currently 46 void 27 light 8 mana. With +13 to void or light depending on which staff i have equiped (my 100% focus light for up close fights where i'll stun a lot and use the baseline light dd, or 100% focus void for ranged battles where i'll be using my bolts)
40 in light means the baseline dd has a very low variance.

Originally posted by Krissy
I am planing on specing 46 void rest mana, instead of the more conventonal light.
I am doing this because im making my character a more "keep" based character. Also with fall off coming in any Sub mezer classes are just gimps anyhow so only good thing would be nearsight which is not exactly needed imo.

And finally i get to the posters question
Nearsight is not useless. I have saved myself from (and managed to kill a few of these) umpteen snipers with a quick /face qc range debuff. Most of the times you get shot at the sniper will be out of range of all other spells so short of running away (where u may still get shot again) this is the best way to save yourself from death. Nearsighting enemy mages and especially the sorc can make big differences in battles too. Infact you can nearsight healers aswell perhaps bringing the tanks out of range of a heal and allowing your group to kill them faster. In short, nearsight owns.
Oh yeah, and with the upcoming gtaoe you wont need the pb for keep defence. You will have the void gtaoe which ok, does slighlty less damage than the pb you'll be able to get a hold of and is on a 6 sec timer (not that long really) but you wont be able to get hit by enemy mages pbing or aoeing the doors and so are safer. Is it really worth puttin all those spec points in mana to get a bit more damage. Where instead you could put them in light to get a VERY useful range debuff and to make the baseline light dd's usable for you with the right items?
Decision is yours but you can probably tell what my view is.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica


I dunno what the void aoe and gtaoe do in RvR though; I expect those are more useful/safe than pbaoe.

I hardly use void aoe in rvr except on keep doors during assault or on mile gate doors when they are broken to perhaps knock a stealther out of stealth as he passes through. In a normal fight aoe is a BIG no no unless you want every bard in hib shoutin at you for breakin mez.

 

[foolou]

voidae rocks for bowmen on keepwalls .. pity that those rangers/singletarget casters take them out too .. it's perfect to hit ppl on walls of defended keeps.

Just one range-debuff and you can nuke with lowlvl void ae to keep the walls clear of ranged attackers.

 

[Qte Eth]

Dont make eld-they are d00med to suck
dont go void-most gimped spec in hibernia after menta mind line
only way to be eld is mana
to all voiddritches who think they r0x0r -after respec there are left like 0 50 level void elds on usa servers

 

[old.Tzeentch]

yeah =/
i dont know why so many eldritches go void?
or light

someone explain plz (really)

 

[Eldri]

Lessurl, I wanted to ask you if/how you're planning to respec, I currently have a void 43 light 9 (at lvl 43) and I'm trying to decide what to do at respec.

Everyone else: I know most will say go mana or maybe light but I'd like the opinions of a(nother, already asked Giriam) lvl 50 void eld

 

[Danya]

Light eld is nice for the nearsight and nukes tzee. Dunno why people roll voiders though. I agree with Ensc, for pure nuking light mentalist is better. You get the 209 spec dd, but you also get AE on the same spec and can secondary spec mana for crack and a middling AE dot.

 

[Loconian]

k, this is how i see it :

This is my current spec: 46 void, 28 light, 10 mana

Now when patch comes out, i'll first test that gt out, if it works ok, i'll stick to void as my main spec

Now if gt doesn't turn out to be as what i expect, i'll go for this :

Light : 45 ( best dd, no need for me to have latest mezz at 47 cause for those few secs more, i'll end up with a higher mana spec)
Mana : 28 (ok pb)
Void : 10 (it's either all the way up to 46 with void, or not, so 28 or something in the 20's for void is just imo not good)

This spec is mainly based on what i use in rvr most : stun (light orientated so have to have it high specced), DD (light dd is best dd for an eld on single target), nearsight and area mezz

Now if they fix bolts and their blocking, it might end up very good for the void elds, but i don't think they'll fix it

Anyway, we still are not equal to other dd casters in other realms, they all have a spec dd of 219 as we light spec elds (highest dd i'm talking of) have a max of 209 (still 10 difference)
So i think light spec is best if you wanna play rvr and dash out that damage on single targets, area mezz em if you wanna get involved in multiple targets (aoe void spec ain't that good but still bigger radius then pb, so pb is simply outta the question for me in rvr as imo, the only thing you can do with pb is unstealth and hit keepdoors)

That's my opinion on eld speccing, msg me ingame if you want the big explanation on how to spec

Greetings

Loco

 

[CBH_Popov]

Tzeentch it's because in the DAoC manual it claims that the Void Eld is the most damaging class in the game and can solo tanks using only the uber bolt which flies out of your Elphs arse.
Unfortunately the reality of being a void Eld is far diferent from that which Mythic claimed, sure you can one shot the occasional enemy caster who left his epic armour in the dry cleaners but Vs tanks you can't do bo diddly.

I'll be blowing 10g on a name change to Popov Manacrafter damn soon after 1.52 goes live I can tell you

P.S I will be going 50 mana for the lvl 50 snare/DD with enough points in light for the first nearsight and void for the first PBAE spell to interupt during sieges.

 

[Krissy]

IM specing as a pure keep defence character, i have a lvl 50 wind theurgist on alb prydwen and its a very good general RvR character that owns, but i want a more keep orientated character, i was gonna spec light but thought about its + and -'s and found that in a keep defence situation the casters with a con/strength debuff die so fast + are normaly encumbured (they carry to many items, i do and so do many ive asked) and the tanks dont hit the lord as hard.

AoE for keep defence is great as well as for offensive obility

PPL spec void for the bolts? no, and atm u dont want voidies but after the next patch when we do get target ground u will be begging for us, alb prydwen has 1 high lvl earth wizard (the albion target ground spec) called RUMBLE!!! which is in my guild . and ppl are just starting to relise that earth is not a gimped spec, same for void on hib, when the target grounds in ur get the idea when u do lose keeps. after all they did nerf PBAoE casters in the lord room with the adition of target ground which can kill the caters in the lord room before the tanks get there (nice nerf in stealth )

Anyway, i posted here for a 2ndary line spec, for a pure keep defence character, not a total spec, but just for my 2nd line, i can get to 28 in mana or light i just need to know whats best for a PURE keep based character not an open field

 

[Tyka]

Light is _the_ way to spec before patch 1.52, believe it or not im not going to proof anything.

 

[old.Ninster]

Originally posted by Loconian
k, this is how i see it :

(aoe void spec ain't that good but still bigger radius then pb, so pb is simply outta the question for me in rvr as imo, the only thing you can do with pb is unstealth and hit keepdoors )

Loco

How can u say that???

http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/lastweekrank.php

Highest RP's earned last week Gobarnachta 252.781, all in all 1.571.209.... he's a Manachanter and he solo's all the time

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Tyka
Light is _the_ way to spec before patch 1.52, believe it or not im not going to proof anything.

What changes in 1.52 that makes it not the way?

 

[Spudgie]

Originally posted by Loconian
k, this is how i see it :

This is my current spec: 46 void, 28 light, 10 mana

Now when patch comes out, i'll first test that gt out, if it works ok, i'll stick to void as my main spec

Now if gt doesn't turn out to be as what i expect, i'll go for this :

Light : 45 ( best dd, no need for me to have latest mezz at 47 cause for those few secs more, i'll end up with a higher mana spec)
Mana : 28 (ok pb)
Void : 10 (it's either all the way up to 46 with void, or not, so 28 or something in the 20's for void is just imo not good)

This spec is mainly based on what i use in rvr most : stun (light orientated so have to have it high specced), DD (light dd is best dd for an eld on single target), nearsight and area mezz

Now if they fix bolts and their blocking, it might end up very good for the void elds, but i don't think they'll fix it

Anyway, we still are not equal to other dd casters in other realms, they all have a spec dd of 219 as we light spec elds (highest dd i'm talking of) have a max of 209 (still 10 difference)
So i think light spec is best if you wanna play rvr and dash out that damage on single targets, area mezz em if you wanna get involved in multiple targets (aoe void spec ain't that good but still bigger radius then pb, so pb is simply outta the question for me in rvr as imo, the only thing you can do with pb is unstealth and hit keepdoors)

That's my opinion on eld speccing, msg me ingame if you want the big explanation on how to spec

Greetings

Loco

I'm with Loco on this one, im 46void 26mana 10 light atm. Going to partial respec to locos current spec. IF gtaoe proves useful i'll stick with that spec - otherwise i'll be testing Locos above light spec on gorre.

 

[Qte Eth]

yeah void elds are f00ked up by mythic saying they are uber while they suck and forget gtaoe-its a joke spell

 

[Novamir]

a lot of people are missing the complete coolness of bolts and full speccd aoe

BOLTS ARE COOL! AOE IS COOL! if you want to be an uber ownzor spec light, if you want to be cool spec void

thats Light/Mana or Void/Light btw

 

[old.Tzeentch]

i think ae dot is best ae.
fu mf and go to sleep

 

[foolou]

Novamir you got a point there.

It such a cool feeling to sneak up behind some invader and then shoot him with a darkblue shimmering wobble of cold energy right in his back and while that poor guy is still analyzing what happened hitting him with another of those fearsome oozies urging him to count the ants below his body.

StunDD-DD-DD-dead may have the same effect but lacks a lot of thrill and style.

 

[Lessurl]

I think some people get put off by the bug and the fact that you can't use bolts on tanks. But if you pick the right tartgets and/or use the right tactics void elds are pretty damn good. My current spec (which i'm not planning on respeccing Eldritcha, i could respec to reduce my mana and get a whole one more point in light, but it's really not worth it) gives me my bolts which can fell casters from range in seconds and i can use stun and the baseline light dd (the spec light dd isn't that much better thanks to the abundance of cold resists) for tanks who are up close. 40 in light makes the variance negligible and using my 100% focus light staff for these battles (assuming i remember to switch ) means i can keep going for a long time (especially if i use mcl also). For killin casters ALWAYS qc the second bolt as most will try to run out of range after first bolt hits, because of that really handy travel time bolts have the second bolt will be cast very shortly after first bolt hits. This usually results in dead mage (especially thanks to crits from wild power 2) unless they have a stupidly high cold resist or were bright enough to have a tank nearby guarding them. With a nice crit i can even one bolt epic armour wearing mages so stfu about only one bolting people who forget to wear it If you fancy trying your chances against a voider starting from range 1v1 then go ahead, especially a void/light spec like myself. Range debuff combined with bolts is a very good combo for killin mages.

@ Danyan i think tyka is talkin about mez nerfs

@ loco wtf? How'd u get 46/28/10??? I've spent all points i could and only got 46/27/8!!

@ foolou neglected to mention the aoe on the archers because generally they are all killed by single target nukers or rangers (in a situation where other than watchin out for incomings or takin pot shots at defenders when they pop out for a second they are almost useless and feel they have to do something) before i get a chance to.

 

[Danya]

Ah I like light for the nukes... so I tend to play my mentalist as I get ae and single target nukes in light. Plus crack rocks.

 

[old.Biffsmash]

I have played ten million mages to lvl 15 or so, and had a menty to lvl 27, and I have to admit, I HATE light magic. I found it to be .. hmm... crap. The DD's were not uber like ppl say, and soloing was HARDER than with my ickle lvl 8 void eld. He kills oranges WITH EASE, and I imagine will continue doing so. Never have I got through the lower levels so quickly. This is probably just cos the bolts tend to hit 90% of the time, and after the second bolt, the mob is crawling

I have no facts to add here, just my personal experience playing light mages. The only light mage who I enjoyed playing was my chanter, but the pet did most of the work.

For me, there is NOTHING cooler than seeing a daddy bolt flying across the battlefield!

 

[old.Charonel]

well i'm going to respec to pure mana, void is utterly worthless now, and gtaoe?! BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH! it does less damage than the almost useless ranged aoe (although i'll miss the thundering armageddon of spell effects that throwing that thing at defended keep doors does ) takes longer to cast since it's on a timer, does COLD damage (and it therefore has it's damage even further destroyed!) i may add and not energy based, according ot the classes of camelot site, which has, to my knowledge been right all the time that it's been active.

now compare that to a good level pbaoe and you have a laughable joke when it comes to defending the doors in comparison to the two or three mana elds which are there reaping scores of enemies at the gates, infact the ONLY time that gtaoe has been found worthwile on the US servers is when you have an absolute crap load of void elds ALL synchronising it together on one area, considering that your having to do that merely to catch up with the one of two mana elds doing that same thing all on their own, it's pointless, especially considering the almost extinct number of void elds which will be left after respec.

ok so, void is worthless (read the sig for my further feelings about this), light spec is about to get much more gimped as far as i'm concerned, but mana will also be nerfed soon when the whiners complain about it at keep defence, so elds suck.

btw, mana elds will get nerfed because it'll take an entire army to get hibby defended keeps even when there's only 10 people inside, because there will be 9 of those being mana pbaoer eldritches every damn time.

rather than fixing the problems though, they'll make new ones, ie the reason there are gonna be so many mana elds at keep defence is because mythic have (and still are in the process of doing so with light spec) sickeningly destroyed the other spec lines, so rather than fix those, make them just as good as mana and offer another respec (ie, to allow people to respec OUT of mana, and therfore rebalance the class as a whole) they will simply destroy pbaoe damage and put it on the cold resist table like EVERY other eld spell of note so yes i DO think i'm gonna get nerfed, but you know what? after EVERY class i've seriously bothered trying, getting nerfed to hell? i dont really care anymore, gotten used to having my characters turned to sh*t i guess

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Biffsmash
I have played ten million mages to lvl 15 or so, and had a menty to lvl 27, and I have to admit, I HATE light magic. I found it to be .. hmm... crap. The DD's were not uber like ppl say, and soloing was HARDER than with my ickle lvl 8 void eld. He kills oranges WITH EASE, and I imagine will continue doing so. Never have I got through the lower levels so quickly. This is probably just cos the bolts tend to hit 90% of the time, and after the second bolt, the mob is crawling

I have no facts to add here, just my personal experience playing light mages. The only light mage who I enjoyed playing was my chanter, but the pet did most of the work.

For me, there is NOTHING cooler than seeing a daddy bolt flying across the battlefield!

Eh? Both my light spec casters easily take oranges, reds in a pinch... try not picking on targets you get a massive damage penalty against.

 

[Lessurl]

@ charonel
<sigh> instead of listing the negatives about things why not look at the uses. Of course void gtaoe isn't going to be as good as pbaoe in keep defence but it can be used there. It can also be used to destealth the stealther who just popped into stealth out of pbaoe range and would have moved once u get there to pb. Just a quick gtaoe, stealther pop, stun, gank. That is one use i can think of atm, i'm sure there are more.
Also i know this is levellist, but you aren't qualified to comment on the void aoe as you haven't got a high enough level to see it at it's full potential. Up until i got the final ranged aoe i thought it was completely useless. Damage never seemed to be that good in any grps i was lucky enough to get. But as soon as i got the final one i noticed a marked difference, i became a viable secondary aoer in a pbaoe grp and could even be combined with one other void eld to replace a mana spec. A few casts on the archers in keep assaults and the yellow cons standing about can take nasty damage. Shame those archers are blue and die too fast.
And bolts, i've said this many times now. Shoot them at the right targets and void bolts pwn! kthxbye

/edit forgot to add.
Void elds have more utility in keep defence than mana, we can pop up on walls and snipe the mages during the initial stages when guards are still being pulled etc, then pop inside and gtaoe the doors once they get on to them.