eeeeek the range on the shammy end is really short

[Ironfoot]

Originally posted by Tilda
insta disease + sprint = better defence than a pally.
tbh i would swap AF chant on my pally for a single targetted disease shout...

Tilda please re-read what i wrote.

Aug/mend shammy doesn't get PBAE disease as that is spec line cave

 

[zmurf]

Then u gotta prioritise ur spec, do i wan't to be able to survive and give group end or do i wan't to be able to heal and survive soully on my group defending me, if u deside NOT to spec to get pbaoe disease u can't whine about it, it was ur choice, hell u even got a respec this patch, use it if u want to defend urself, U GOT THE TOOL'S U JUST DESIDED NOT TO USE EM! ...

 

[zmurf]

a little sidenot

I LOVE CONC BASED END ...

Downside's : i loose 8buff slot's so if we wanna make a 'perfect' group we NEED a buffbot
That's only downside i can see ...

Upside : the range forces tank's and supporters in group to stay together, and if they fail to do this they learn the hard way
The conc based form, is an upside since tank's no longer think, fuck shaman we keep end, it forces tank's to even more teamwork than before, and u can nolonger enter a fight then notice ur end/resist blining (still resist ofc) and all tank's loose end durring fight, and with some moron bard lulling u or purge down and mezzed ur tank's r fucked unless they got end potion's

but best upside of em all

SHAMAN #1 TARGET IN RVR ... gonna be FUNNY AS HELL to play shaman in rvr, and as i play this game for fun, this is a HUGE upside in my eyes ...

 

[tuffabruden]

After some rvring i find that the new end gave the tactics in rvr a new twist.
Experienced longer and funnier fights. Closer melee battles.

Perhaps its just random but i personally im quite satisfied with the result.

Any reflections about that?

 

[old.Sko]

Yes personally i like the new end.
it basically puts me on easy mode at some fights - aggro is grabbed by shaman and steadily held by him.

 

[Aussie-]

albs have 1000 , mid 1500, hibs 2000 so cut the whine about range on end ~~

 

[Gewny]

I still think that 1500 range has negative effect on the shaman, not so much at low aug spec (cuz if they spec low aug they choose to spec cave)

So in my mind it would be apropiate with a higher range at high aug spec lvls, this way it would reward high aug specers and still let em do what there job is.

And yes this solution to the end problem increases the "bottiness" of the shaman (íe even more buffbots are needed)

 

[zmurf]

Originally posted by Gewny
I still think that 1500 range has negative effect on the shaman, not so much at low aug spec (cuz if they spec low aug they choose to spec cave)

So in my mind it would be apropiate with a higher range at high aug spec lvls, this way it would reward high aug specers and still let em do what there job is.

And yes this solution to the end problem increases the "bottiness" of the shaman (íe even more buffbots are needed)

Plz read ...

Pala end regen 1000 range
Shaman end regen 1500 range
Bard end regen 2000 range

if bard get mezzed end stop's and bard is allready primary target aswell as primary cc so they often loose end regen before they even get it on

Pala is plate weared with ra's like FH and IP he will dro as one of the last ppl in the group so he get the lowest range end

Shaman CAN(notice this word, as in it's a pocibility) get pbaoe disease and group DOES NOT! loose end if shaman is mezz'd therefor he get's 1500 range which is lower than bard cause in a way the End is better ...

Why is this so unfair ? i wouldn't even whine if end was 1000 range, and with savage having end shout they should probably make end 3 highest end regen in mid since it's the best end regen even conc based in my eye's ...

 

[nuky]

Originally posted by Archeon
PBAE disease = 10% snare

couple that with Perma sprint and i'd say a Shaman can survive for just as long, if not longer than a pally. Still thats just how i see it, not all Shaman's spec for PBAE disease.. but then not all shamans spec for end either

woud u care to say how a shaman is actually going to get perma sprint now?

shaman is allowed 20 'conc buffs' - the usual mid group consisting of 2 healers, 1 shaman, 1 skald and 4 of whatever other tank.

2 X spec buff to the grp mebers (16 buffs used)

therefore a shaman can give enough end buffs to 4 tanks, leaving 1 tank and all seers with no end to sprint when some alb/hib decides to wack them. nice innit?

EDIT: bad spelling

 

[zmurf]

Get a buffbot at mtk, not like they r rare, perma sprint is importnent, so let a buffbot with 47aug and moa 3 do the buffing and let u do the end

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by zmurf
Get a buffbot at mtk, not like they r rare, perma sprint is importnent, so let a buffbot with 47aug and moa 3 do the buffing and let u do the end

Hmm alb group doesnt need bbot at all, hibs group _maybe_ needs one (spec haste, etc etc), why should mid group _absolutely_ need one ?

 

[nuky]

so really ur saying a shammy cant do the job he spent 1klish points gttting to.

imo - take away away the 20 conc buff limit (keeping only concentration points) - make all buffs only available to grp. Would also solve this fked up BB problem going on - but i guess mythic cant loose their xxx amount of BB accounts.

my shammy will be getting a /respec to full cave and logged in the relic keep until he is called on there, or until SWG comes out, whatever comes first

 

[chunky]

Only 2 things i have to complain about with the new shammy "alterations".
1:- It encoureges BB's which realy sucks
2:- there should be some kind of indication that you are out of range on the buff, eg it starts flashing or fades/greys out till you come back in range.

The rest of the changes i feal are quite fair, and im a warior, i live on end reg.

 

[Gewny]

Originally posted by zmurf
Plz read ...

Pala end regen 1000 range
Shaman end regen 1500 range
Bard end regen 2000 range

if bard get mezzed end stop's and bard is allready primary target aswell as primary cc so they often loose end regen before they even get it on

Pala is plate weared with ra's like FH and IP he will dro as one of the last ppl in the group so he get the lowest range end

Shaman CAN(notice this word, as in it's a pocibility) get pbaoe disease and group DOES NOT! loose end if shaman is mezz'd therefor he get's 1500 range which is lower than bard cause in a way the End is better ...

Why is this so unfair ? i wouldn't even whine if end was 1000 range, and with savage having end shout they should probably make end 3 highest end regen in mid since it's the best end regen even conc based in my eye's ...

I relly dont think shammys has better defense then bards. Yes bards end go down when they are mezzed but as stated above by other the shammy has to give up alot of conc for end.

So yes I still think shammys should have 2000 in there end range. (I wouldent mid if the tuned up all chants in game too (like skald, Pally and so on) it dosent make a hughe differance, for the hybrid classes. For a class that may want to stand back it does thou.

(ofc a shaman wouldent be cabale to stand 2000 range away but rather 1000 or so, while today its more like 750, these extra range would actually differ alot to the shaman, but tho the rest of the groupe they would still need to handle about the same problem)

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by Ironfoot
WAHHHHH, I don't have godmode anymore!!!

Imo.

 

[zmurf]

adjust, learn to play with the range, don't juts ask for better range, live with it, it's easier to addapt into this range than it is getting a new, so LEARN how to play with it, all it really takes

 

[nuky]

as far as i am concerned there is no real issue with the range - its fine and our end was overpowered before.

the only beef i have now is that i spent pretty much all of my spec points to get aug above 42, for end 5 and it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to give my grp perma sprint, and buff people properly, which really, is what is the shammy's main role followed by secondary CC and minor healing

 

[etcetra]

The conc. based end gotta rock for PvE
And range, why should you run off and away from your supporters if your a warrior?

Not like your group fights all over Emain at the same time? =|

 

[rahatma]

Originally posted by Ironfoot
and paladins have insane af / plate / and shield slam all of which will keep them alive for a lot longer than a aug / medn speced shammy who actually has no form of defence that is any where close to what a pally would get

your point being ?

There's where I come in

 

[silverweed]

Nothing much to say, i just don't like what they have done

 

[punj]

Remeber shammies are by Mythic classified as a clerical class, there main job is to heal

lol you seen the shammie mend line?

 

[ThePure]

IMHO!!.. it should still be a groop buff.. on conc.. or as the healer speed.. and it should have a short as hell range.. as should all buffs.. take the damn bots out of rvr.. >.<

 

[Archeon]

Shamans are actually classes as Hybrid Casters (i think), Clerics, Bards and Healers and their respective realms Primary healing classes.

 

[zmurf]

Originally posted by Archeon
Shamans are actually classes as Hybrid Casters (i think), Clerics, Bards and Healers and their respective realms Primary healing classes.

when has bard ever been primary healing class ? druid is hib's primary healing class, and as shaman got no form of speccable group heal spread heal or insta heal's i wouldn't clasify shaman as primary healer either (+ u mention both shaman and healer, how can 2 different classes from the same realm, be the same realm's primary healer ? primary can only be 1 ...)

 

[talivarevil]

You say u only have enough conc for end buff for xxx tanks leaving somewithout, well imo its time your groups lazy savages told u tho dont need the buff imo

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by zmurf
when has bard ever been primary healing class ? druid is hib's primary healing class

K, my mistake.

Originally posted by zmurf
u mention both shaman and healer, how can 2 different classes from the same realm, be the same realm's primary healer ? primary can only be 1 ...)

I said shamans were hybrid casters (I.e. they have specable bolts/DD/Dot/Chain/Seer HP Table, etc, etc... though i suppose if you went by that then a thane would be a hybrid caster as well... Maybe Hybrid Seer would be a better term?)

Not sure where i said Shaman's were Midgards primary healer though. Could you point that bit out for me?

 

[nightsorrow]

HAH, pwned

 

[zmurf]

Originally posted by Archeon
K, my mistake.



I said shamans were hybrid casters (I.e. they have specable bolts/DD/Dot/Chain/Seer HP Table, etc, etc... though i suppose if you went by that then a thane would be a hybrid caster as well... Maybe Hybrid Seer would be a better term?)

Not sure where i said Shaman's were Midgards primary healer though. Could you point that bit out for me?

yea sorry about that,, the last comment was to "Remeber shammies are by Mythic classified as a clerical class, there main job is to heal" not to u, my bad

 

[Gewny]

I didnt say that shamans was a primary healer.

No Shamanes are secondary healers/caster hybrids.

BUT Mythic has on a couple occasions gruped there classes and in the groupe Clerical class they have listed : Clerics, Druids, Healers and Shammys.


And face it to be a hybrid u have one of the following : atlest 1.5 spec points or focus cabability.