EDITED: The thread about Wars and stuff

[Tom]

Sorry, but what 'racist comment' have I made?

 

[Tom]

Ahhh, I see. Nice that one, confuse 'Nazis' with 'Germans'.

I'd expect that of DMW tbh, must be so frustrating serving all those customers at the McDonald's Drive-Thru.

 

[old.user4556]

Be warned Tom, you don't need to make an explicit racist remark to be accused a racist here. Your words will be twisted, no doubt, and the PC bandwagon will roll with every troll pouncing on you to tell you how bad a person you are.

 

[Tom]

I know what I think, and what kind of person I am. I'm happy with that, and if people have a problem with anything I say, bollocks to them, especially brainless trolls.

 

[Trem]

Tom Is A Nazi!!!

 

[Aada]

Ahhh, I see. Nice that one, confuse 'Nazis' with 'Germans'.

I'd expect that of DMW tbh, must be so frustrating serving all those customers at the McDonald's Drive-Thru.

Must get really boring working at Burger King then Tom which one do you work in again?

 

[Tom]

Try to think of your own jokes please. That way they won't be even less funnier than mine.

 

[babs]

You can't really go down from there.

I'd have gone with Billy One-star.

 

[Sar]

The Nazi's were genocidal, homophobic, rascist fear-mongering and ego-centric.

I would say that their behaviour and attempted goals make them, by any definition, modern or classical, as Evil.

Anyone who tries to apologise for them must therefore have sympathy with their intended aims.

 

[nath]

Anyone who tries to apologise for them must therefore have sympathy with their intended aims.

I don't think that's entirely true tbh. And on another note - I don't actually think there's such a thing as "Evil" there's mentally/socially healthy and mentally/socially unhealthy (to different degrees).

 

[DaGaffer]

I don't think that's entirely true tbh. And on another note - I don't actually think there's such a thing as "Evil" there's mentally/socially healthy and mentally/socially unhealthy (to different degrees).

Semantics. That's just PC relativism (again). Evil is as evil does. The Nazis were poster-children for evil.

 

[nath]

Well it's philosophy* actually - but it is a bit if an irrelevant post (nothing to do with being PC at all, seriously you guys need to let that go).

*edit: and a bit of theology too probably.

 

[throdgrain]

Nar Nath mate, that was horribly PC

 

[nath]

It's also PC not to call black people ******s.

 

[throdgrain]

And ??? Whats that got to do with the price of cheese

 

[Louster]

Uh, what he said is conceptually distinct from the meaning and connotations of "evil", so it's hardly a PC translation. It's pretty much the difference between subjectivity and objectivity.

 

[nath]

And ??? Whats that got to do with the price of cheese

That you seem to assume that anything PC is by nature a bad thing.

 

[throdgrain]

That you seem to assume that anything PC is by nature a bad thing.

Most of it is though ! Most of it is mealey mouthed people with too much education and FAR too much time on thier hands trying to control us all in what we say, what we think and what we do. I fucking hate it.
And i tell you what, its become so much a part of the society we live in that a lot of people , particularly younger people who have just about been brought up with it, do it without even knowing that they do.
Bring back freedom of choice please, we could call it FC

 

[yaruar]

Why?

Stalin was an evil piece of shit, Hitler was. Britain in its history has done things that are comparable to these 2.

Oh, let's not forget slavery. Damn what a fine fucking idea the Brits came up with then.

Slavery was going on long before the brits, spanish, french, etc got involved. All they did was turn it into a huge multinational industry.

In fact slavery is still a problem in large parts of Africa...

 

[nath]

Most of it is though ! Most of it is mealey mouthed people with too much education and FAR too much time on thier hands trying to control us all in what we say, what we think and what we do.

People here always say things like that - however rarely back it up with real reasons.

 

[throdgrain]

You surely know by now the things that effect me, and what I think about it. I just dont want to go over old ground, is all .

 

[nath]

I know you say things are stupidly PC all the time, however every time I've see you (or anyone else for that matter) mention "the PC brigade!!!!!1" I've always thought it was a load of bollocks. I've never seen someone actually mention why they think something is PC and say why they think it's rubbish.

 

[Tom]

The politically correct brigade can fuck right off thanks.

Lets have some common sense back in this country please. Stupid fucking clueless hippies who otherwise wouldn't have a job telling us how to think? FUCK OFF.

 

[rynnor]

The Nazi's were genocidal, homophobic, rascist fear-mongering and ego-centric.

Its silly to generalise even about members of the Nazi party - many of its members were normal people who were'nt born with 666 tatooed upon their heads.

What you really mean is that the leadership went down a twisted path that lead to acts of genocide and murder.

I also dont really think that it should be seen as a one off - comparable things have been done in bosnia/rwanda and most recently Yemen.

I also dont agree with blaming Hitler for all the excesses of the Nazi party - he was ruthless and nationalistic but he was also mentally ill - the blame should be shared by those who did evil acts 'under orders' as well.

Nothing/No-one is intrinsically evil the same as nothing/no-one is intrinsically good.

 

[nath]

The politically correct brigade can fuck right off thanks.

Lets have some common sense back in this country please. Stupid fucking clueless hippies who otherwise wouldn't have a job telling us how to think? FUCK OFF.

"Rah rah rah pointless rant getting angry at something that doesn't exist."

Examples please!!!!!

 

[throdgrain]

"Rah rah rah pointless rant getting angry at something that doesn't exist."

Examples please!!!!!

OK then, things that annoy me, and sorry if I repeat myself.

My hobbies.
Shooting. They tell me what and where i should shoot, and make me jump through progressively smaller hoops all the time just so I can do it. They are even thinknig about legislating air guns now too, and will almost certainly be having one of my pistols off me soon, because it "looks like a real gun". The fact that its powered by co2 and can barely knock the skin of a rice pudding is irrelevant, the thing is the goverment attacks the people who they know will do as they are told, ie the law abiding citizens. Meanwhile the gangsters continue with their Glocks etc. Since they banned ALL real handguns in the late 90's firearms offences have drastically RISEN, however they ignore that and concentrate on things to make them look good , ie politically correct, "we are doing something , honest". They have banned fox hunting, not something I liked to be honest, however I now see that although I didnt like it, it was none of my fucking business.The next thing is shooter, then they will be after fishermen no doubt. Dont laugh, its coming.
Motorbikes.
They continue to legislate against bikers, even though in the vast majority of cases ,any accident is the fault of the car driver anyway. On a side note, they put cameras everywhere to tell us how fast we should drive (cars and bikes alike of course) ,but of course they only effect the people with vehicles registered in thier names, the criminal types get away with it once again.Never mind, it looks like we're doing something, and it pays good anyway.
Schools.
Its now almost impossible to fail an exam, providing you turn up. In school sports days they try to remove any form of competition, so everyone can succeed. Sorry, everyone CANT succeed , thats the point of it. By the time the poor sods have left school they are convinced they can be high court jufges half of them, or tv producers, and trot of to university only to discover they cant after all.
Race.
We are told what to say, and what to think, we darent even begin to utter what we might actually think, even though loads of us are thinking it. We bang on about womens rights, a good thing, yet muslims treat women terribly, but thats just ignored.
We have decided that lots of religions/ races can live in this country, but instead of integrating them with us we say they can do thier own thing alonside us. What does that achieve? A whole generation of people growing up in the country with British passports but with no British ideas at all, some of them without even the British tongue. Guess what happens next. But even then we dont see it, we just "try to help thier problems"
History.
We are taught that almost eveything we ever did was wrong. Bollocks. If we hadnt done the things we had, someone else would, might was right 300 years ago, and in fact still is now. The revolutionaires of this world know that, even if we have forgotton it in our dotage.
I could go on and on, but its getting no where, and anyway these are just random thoughts

 

[Sissyfoo]

~laughs~

I can't believe I'm reading a thread where people are actually claiming that 'not all nazis were bad'. Ffs...

The crimes they commited against their fellow man, whether they be jewish, gay, gypsy, black, disabled or whatever ... it is sickening! How the fuck can you even debate whether or not they were evil? Most things in life aren't necessarily good or evil, most things in life are not black and white but some things ARE black and Nazism IS evil. It spreads fear and hatred across the world (I use the present tense because it is still lurking in corners of the world) and it promotes the total annhilation of any race or religion that doesn't conform to it's idealogy.

6,000,000 jews murdered, countless thousands of disabled people euthanased (i.e. shot to death), thousands more gypsies and homosexuals executed. Men, women and children used as guinea pigs in bizarre, fucked up experiments that scientists today wouldn't dare perform on animals! The list goes on...and on and on! That is practically the definition of 'evil'.

As for Rynnor's comments, I don't give a shit if they weren't born hating jews or with spikey little horns growing on their heads. If they followed Hitler and helped in the persecution of all these people then they deserve to burn alongside their fuhrer!

Why are some of you so reluctant to use the word 'evil'? It is a word used to describe something that is morally wrong, something that causes harm, suffering or destruction...and that pretty much sums up Nazism. I've seen the pictures of these scientific experiments, I've seen pictures of camp survivors, I'm sure you've all seen the many, many movies re. concentration camps and I've read accounts of what the nazis and their allies did to non-combatants and POWs during the war and anyone who defends the nazis are, quite frankly, beneath my contempt.

I really hate Nazis.

/edit Yea, I already said somewhere else that the allies weren't all goody two shoes so don't bother with that argument again.

 

[nath]

Guns: IMO that's nothing to do with being PC that's just legislation you disagree with. I don't really know what my thoughts are about that and even if I did, I'd have no problem with you having a different opinion.

Hunting: You didn't like it but then decided it wasn't your business? It's cruelty to animals, it doesn't have to be your business.

Motorbikes: See guns above.

Schools: The first thing I kind of agree with you about - that does seem to be related to "the pc brigade" (God I hate that term). It does seem silly, however it seems they've just tried to get people to get out of the "my life will never amount to anything" mentality that a lot of kids have. The type of thoughts that often results in them giving up on school and becoming a filthy crim. I think it's decent enough for them to try and deal with this but they don't seem to have found the right way of doing it yet.

Race: Fair enough - it wouldn't be very PC to say that muslims treat their women shit. That said, I'm not sure it'd be very accurate either - another discussion for another time if we get really *really* bored.

History: I think it's something to be proud of that we can look back at the shit things we've done in the past and reflect upon them - rather than only talking about all the great stuff we've achieved (which tbh I think is covered too, however it's a long time since I've had a history lesson).

Meh.

edit: Sissy - first of all, my point about evil was that I don't believe it actually exists - however that's neither here nor there, if there actually is such a thing as evil then certain members of nazi germany were it. I think some others (can't be arsed to check) were making the distinction between your average german and the nazi's in power. Not every german back then was evil.

 

[Furr]

Come on now, There have been evil empires, Countries, Tribes, Rulers, Kings, Queens, Pope's, Sultans, etc etc since Mankind began. In terms of slavery that wasn't a "brit" invention.

Humans have been enslaving each other forever basically, and it wasn't that the Western countries came over a nicked a whole bunch of Africans or whomever, more likely the slaves were sold to the slavery companies buy the indigenous slave traders as trade for guns and the like. Yes this would have increased the volume of slaves being traded but you have to look at it this way, they didn’t think of it as wrong. And who could blame them from their point of view it was a way of life that had been going on for thousands of years, and indeed is still going on.

Ideologies occur throughout time, and yes we will look upon some as them as evil and twisted. But human existence has been one of exploring different avenues of existence and governance. Some fail and other succeed. At the moment Democracy seems to be faring well but it’s far from perfect.

I see this Political correctness lark as more of a type of fear. Fear to challenge matters that may seem to controversial, to keep the status quo even though it may be damaging. Maybe people think that this so called PC will stop people being offended and thus quell any outbursts that people in positions of power can’t really be arsed to deal with yes racism is bad. But instead of castrating each other people should instead use these moments to resolve the situations, Using PC just keeps these controversial subjects and matters from coming to the surface and thus they remain and stew and get worse until of course there is a massive release.

Take the current problem with Islam, PC demands that we don’t point fingers but say these evil individuals carried out their attacks on their own. However it’s plain to see that there is a problem deep down in the Muslim community, a corrupt strain that’s eating away at the religion and producing disillusioned and violent people.

There are probably many factors causing this, in the UK one of probably many factors seems to be the inability of the Muslim community to integrate which should in my view have been aggressively actively pursued? Instead now what you have is generations of British born Muslims that are born into a community that due to their past unwillingness to adapt are left out of the British system and thus they are in the doldrums. It was obvious this was occurring. If you can remember all those reports that have been going on for years and years on ethnic groups that were doing well at GCSE’s and those that are not? You had Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, and Afro-Caribbean’s at the bottom and White, Indian and Chinese at the top.
Is it any coincidence that the groups at the bottom of the table are often in the news for being the groups that have a high rate of crime and other law breaking problems?

Back to the Nazi? Yes they were evil, but they were evil in the 20th century, they did nothing worse than countless regimes, empires, countries before them? Only that their crimes were caught on Film and thanks to industrialization they were able to do in 4-5 years what others would have taken decades to achieve. Remember the victors write the history books, how many mass genocides, crimes against humanity do you think have occurred and gone unwritten by empires throughout time? Quite a few I’m guessing.

All I’m saying is that there are some people who seem to be very oblivious to the fact the world is not a nice place, and never has been! Yes we are making progress in a few geographical locations round the world, but in the 22nd century I’m sure even we will be called the savages.


rant over going bed

 

[Sar]

What you really mean is that the leadership went down a twisted path that lead to acts of genocide and murder.

I also dont agree with blaming Hitler for all the excesses of the Nazi party - he was ruthless and nationalistic but he was also mentally ill - the blame should be shared by those who did evil acts 'under orders' as well.

Those two paragraphs totally contradict one another.

If a good man follows and executes evil orders, does that make that man evil?

IMHO: Yes. A man and his deeds are of one and the same morality.

PS: DMW - I have a 70-yr old American WWII survivor (note the term, SURVIVOR) staying in my house this week, and I'm pretty certain he'd tell people of an opinion like yours to fuck right off. If it weren't for HEROES like him, you wouldn't be here today to spout your bullshit.