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this thread is so stupid.
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all those scouts ive met in melee when it has been a solo fight has slammed me and then owned me bad with bow.... ofcourse they were prolly buffed though.. dunno :x
pfftbuffbotlamers.
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archer classes will never be as overpowerd as they once was , do assin PA go thru pbt / self bt?, i think it does , be glad they didnt change it so our crit shot could do this, and scouts cant take casters down easaly, imo its the other way around.
i personally cant wait. that is if they even introduce these changes, or after testing all the caster TL start crying and whining and get it removed b4 it is even in.
now u know why archers have whined and whined since we got hit with the biggest nerf bat this game has ever seen. its like archers fell from the nerf tree and hit all the branch's on the way down.
i personally cant wait. that is if they even introduce these changes, or after testing all the caster TL start crying and whining and get it removed b4 it is even in.
now u know why archers have whined and whined since we got hit with the biggest nerf bat this game has ever seen. its like archers fell from the nerf tree and hit all the branch's on the way down.
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Originally posted by -Shaz- Right...
Imo the "archer" class needs help against tank classes and stealth/assassin classes, not vs casters which if you think about it is what's happening. Who's gonna be worse off without bt if it goes down...work it out
The casters selfBT vs archer situation won't change a bit. Archers CAN NOT shoot through self BT and self BT does NOT DROP when PBT is running. This is with 1.62 ofcourse.
Solo casters are yes, but archers seem to be a bit more solo friendly if you look at what abilities both get, right? In a group with PBT things will not change much versus casters.
I agree that it could be a good solution to let archers kill tanks instead of casters to shift the balance from what it is currently.
Never had a problem with fumbles, they weren't once every other shot, of course you got the odd fumble at the worst of times etc but hey...life sucks then you die
If you compare the number of melee swings a tank does with the number of arrowdraws the fumble rate was slightly higher for archery. But what Mythic has missed is that they compared the missrates against unstyled melee attacks. People use styles to increase their tohit chance, there is no way to do that with archery.
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stop whine about things that are under heavy testing plz.
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alme
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Yea and volley and longshot is ofc the only thing archers use
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soullessminion
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3 archers only speced high enough for say first pa arrow (passive so cant choose not to use)
old way = 3 archers aim at a bt mage
1 pops bubble
2 do full damage
new way
all 3 hit for 50% this meens less damage than if pa didnt exist
And your saying mages got nerfed? Depends how you look at it, after all when every caster got given bt, (after they all cried enough) wasn't that a archer nerf?
Archers are complaining that this new ability is a nerf to an archer, and mages are complaining its a nerf to them, Basicaly DaoC players will yell nerf at anything and everything.
Stop complaining and live with it, we all know next patch will just change everything again
Mythic = Chaos, and Chaos simply refuses to stay the same for any duration of time..
old way = 3 archers aim at a bt mage
1 pops bubble
2 do full damage
new way
all 3 hit for 50% this meens less damage than if pa didnt exist
And your saying mages got nerfed? Depends how you look at it, after all when every caster got given bt, (after they all cried enough) wasn't that a archer nerf?
Archers are complaining that this new ability is a nerf to an archer, and mages are complaining its a nerf to them, Basicaly DaoC players will yell nerf at anything and everything.
Stop complaining and live with it, we all know next patch will just change everything again
Mythic = Chaos, and Chaos simply refuses to stay the same for any duration of time..
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ffs tanks work together to gank, if archers learnt to do this they wouldn't need to whine, they just want to be the only class that can actually solo
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When is the last time i have been invite to a group, you where in.
Do i have much choice, other than to solo ?
Mythic could give archers nucklear bombs and it wouldnt matter, since hardly any left. Go look at rp earnings for archer classes
over the 6 last months and you will understand. They gave our
worst enemy the ability to kill us at will, and compenstated with nothing.
These changes wont affect a scouts ability to solo, and it wont affect its groupability. The day everyone is inviting me into parties
at atk, saying nice to have a scout onboard, will newer come.
We are left as a 1/3 nuker, 1/3 melee and 1/3 soloer.
These changes gives us a overpowered attack in keepbattles/standoffs, at the cost of 14 rp, but it was not what most archers wanted. We didnt want to be som LOS bugged class who owns in a few situations and fail in most others.
Look at the improvements.
You think archers will not be found with see hidden on 1500 range, and now they can pass mg's at will ?
You think the ability to do maybe 250-300 damage to a caster every 3.5 sec will make archers uber casterkillers in groups ?
You think the ability to do maybe 70-100 damage to a tankclass every 3.5 sec will make archers uber tankkillers in groups ?
These changes means little, and considering hardly any archers left, there is no reason to be concerned. This is not an archer fix,
its attempt to keep the few archers out there as paying customers. If they wanted to fix archers they could remake
the way bow/stealth works and give us a choice to spec for group or solo.
Fyi my cabalist hits harder with baseline lifedrains than my scout.
He even melee's better with MoC than my scout, and i dont have 0 melee spec.
ffs tanks work together to gank, if archers learnt to do this they wouldn't need to whine, they just want to be the only class that can actually solo
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When is the last time i have been invite to a group, you where in.
Do i have much choice, other than to solo ?
Mythic could give archers nucklear bombs and it wouldnt matter, since hardly any left. Go look at rp earnings for archer classes
over the 6 last months and you will understand. They gave our
worst enemy the ability to kill us at will, and compenstated with nothing.
These changes wont affect a scouts ability to solo, and it wont affect its groupability. The day everyone is inviting me into parties
at atk, saying nice to have a scout onboard, will newer come.
We are left as a 1/3 nuker, 1/3 melee and 1/3 soloer.
These changes gives us a overpowered attack in keepbattles/standoffs, at the cost of 14 rp, but it was not what most archers wanted. We didnt want to be som LOS bugged class who owns in a few situations and fail in most others.
Look at the improvements.
You think archers will not be found with see hidden on 1500 range, and now they can pass mg's at will ?
You think the ability to do maybe 250-300 damage to a caster every 3.5 sec will make archers uber casterkillers in groups ?
You think the ability to do maybe 70-100 damage to a tankclass every 3.5 sec will make archers uber tankkillers in groups ?
These changes means little, and considering hardly any archers left, there is no reason to be concerned. This is not an archer fix,
its attempt to keep the few archers out there as paying customers. If they wanted to fix archers they could remake
the way bow/stealth works and give us a choice to spec for group or solo.
Fyi my cabalist hits harder with baseline lifedrains than my scout.
He even melee's better with MoC than my scout, and i dont have 0 melee spec.
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true that.
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funny how ppl never get happy, but always keep up the whine...
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Glottis_Xanadu
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Shame people are twisting the archer improvements so much...
An archer still cannot hit a caster even using the penetrating arrow, as it does not go through the bt of the class that cast the (p)bt. Pbt will not overwrite the selfcast bt that all caster classes have.
So, the only thing that a scout can now do is interupt a druid, cleric, etc, the weak caster classes cannot be hit still (unless the bt is actually popped). Archers would be stupid going to shoot through the pbt at the tanks, as a tank does not really notices an archer.
I find pbt to be overpowered in the Hib realm. Most theurgs do not spec to the 6s pbt. Most Albion groups have at best a 10s pbt going. Trying to shoot a Hibbie is very frustrating, as each and every single shot is absorbed or missed.
You lot seem to think that once this patch hits, archers will 2 shot kill everyone, which won't happen at all. Archers might stand a slightly better chance, but that is it. And archers might now get groups (which I doubt).
Regards, Glottis
An archer still cannot hit a caster even using the penetrating arrow, as it does not go through the bt of the class that cast the (p)bt. Pbt will not overwrite the selfcast bt that all caster classes have.
So, the only thing that a scout can now do is interupt a druid, cleric, etc, the weak caster classes cannot be hit still (unless the bt is actually popped). Archers would be stupid going to shoot through the pbt at the tanks, as a tank does not really notices an archer.
I find pbt to be overpowered in the Hib realm. Most theurgs do not spec to the 6s pbt. Most Albion groups have at best a 10s pbt going. Trying to shoot a Hibbie is very frustrating, as each and every single shot is absorbed or missed.
You lot seem to think that once this patch hits, archers will 2 shot kill everyone, which won't happen at all. Archers might stand a slightly better chance, but that is it. And archers might now get groups (which I doubt).
Regards, Glottis
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archers sure need some luv imo
me in guild rvr group:
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
I get bored of him, qc stun, nuke nuke 250ish rps kthx
bwt archers do good as melee soloer, stealth, 2nd best armor, IP etc
but theire bow is just kinda useless atm ;\
me in guild rvr group:
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
random archer shoot me...missed cause of pbt
I get bored of him, qc stun, nuke nuke 250ish rps kthx
bwt archers do good as melee soloer, stealth, 2nd best armor, IP etc
but theire bow is just kinda useless atm ;\
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glottis: you can penetrate a mage's self bt, with longshot and volley
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Driwen
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if you want to be a melee solo'er make an assasin
as archers melee skills arent the same as the assasins.archer with PA shoots at a mage, pops self bt. Shoot arrow into the mage another one, pbt gives mage a bt and then you are shooting pentrating arrows into the mage. Offcourse the ammount of non PA arrows are dependent on when pbt will pulse
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Lmao!! Hilarious joke!!
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lalu
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Originally posted by Trinilim
and I think YOU'RE the one that needs to stop being so ignorant.
Longshot: 5 minute reuse
Volley: 30 second reuse
wow, big feckin woop, you can get hit by and archer with no + damage once every 30 seconds (if the archer is lucky)
-edit-: sorry for making this like a flame, it's just that your post is complete BS
volley re-use is 15s m8
and longshot is 4 min
wtf is longshot for???
its only a single shot... give 1 min longshot ability to scouts!
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longshot is 10 mins timer...
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Longshot is 4min timer
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Longshot Active 10 min. 10 0 0 0 0 N/A N/A A bow shot with no damage bonus that can be fired up to 150% of normal maximum bow range.
from camelot herald.. 10mins.
http://www.camelotherald.com/realmabilities/ranger.html
from camelot herald.. 10mins.
http://www.camelotherald.com/realmabilities/ranger.html
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or wait.. it also says 15 mins for volley..
and the prices r wrong too.. argh they didnt change the RAs?! pah..
but still.. on http://www.ping.de/~sven/daoc/configurator.shtml
it says 15 secs for volley and 10mins for longshot.. and its got the right prices for both there too
and the prices r wrong too.. argh they didnt change the RAs?! pah..
but still.. on http://www.ping.de/~sven/daoc/configurator.shtml
it says 15 secs for volley and 10mins for longshot.. and its got the right prices for both there too
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A supp runemaster will just run 10s pbt and nuke now
A warden is stuck with 6s - but at least they have a (small) shield.
What's the point in the Abrasion line again?
Since they've added in a counter to pbt - maybe they'll reduce the ridiculous power costs of it so that the character using it can buy some non-power RAs, or be able to do something other than /afk.
A warden is stuck with 6s - but at least they have a (small) shield.
What's the point in the Abrasion line again?
Since they've added in a counter to pbt - maybe they'll reduce the ridiculous power costs of it so that the character using it can buy some non-power RAs, or be able to do something other than /afk.