earth theurg, warden, supp rm...

[Mavl]

All these chars got severely nerfed in the latest patch.

Just trying to get your attention to this little thing here.

Like see hidden, the archer RAs now negate whole spec lines ppl spec in.

Also, casters got another nerf, because their self bladeturns can now be penetrated, and archers got ability to fire like a machine gun(read: interrupts).

The dead horse got kicked once again.

Therefore i declare, that this patch sux, and the game got screwed over once more :E




Yes, I am bored and I neeed sleep.

 

[loxleyhood]

>big ben tune< Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.......... you're so wrong, wrong!

The huge thing you have missed out is this:

"- Penetrating Arrow will never go through Bladeturns (both pulsing and single-target) on the character that cast the spell. This means that a Warden who casts a bladeturn on himself will never have his own personal bladeturn penetrated. "

Read the patch notes before you whine about them, eh?

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Mavl

Like see hidden, the archer RAs now negate whole spec lines ppl spec in.

Actually, it's an assasin RA, which negates who spec lines archers spec in

Seriously, that post was a fruit bowl of ignorance.

 

[Mavl]

"- Additionally, Longshot and Volley now penetrate ALL Bladeturns, regardless of who cast them. "

I think you are the one who needs to read the patchnotes more carefully.

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by Mavl
All these chars got severely nerfed in the latest patch.

Just trying to get your attention to this little thing here.

Like see hidden, the archer RAs now negate whole spec lines ppl spec in.

Also, casters got another nerf, because their self bladeturns can now be penetrated, and archers got ability to fire like a machine gun(read: interrupts).

The dead horse got kicked once again.

Therefore i declare, that this patch sux, and the game got screwed over once more :E




Yes, I am bored and I neeed sleep.

my god you're a wanker

you can't even BEGIN to imagine how bad the PBT situation was with archers.

you can't even BEGIN to imagine how much archers have NEEDED this kinda thing.

man, you are one selfish prick, you know that?

People can have 3 second pbt, k? you know how fecking frustrating that is on archers? no? I suppose you've played SOME kind of tank yes? Well, imagine missing

EVERY

SINGLE

SHOT

YOU

MAKE

every rvr battle, nonstop, for about 8 months.

PBT did NOT get nerfed, it got FIXED so that archers can actually be of some kind of use in this game now.

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by Mavl
"- Additionally, Longshot and Volley now penetrate ALL Bladeturns, regardless of who cast them. "

I think you are the one who needs to read the patchnotes more carefully.

and I think YOU'RE the one that needs to stop being so ignorant.

Longshot: 5 minute reuse
Volley: 30 second reuse

wow, big feckin woop, you can get hit by and archer with no + damage once every 30 seconds (if the archer is lucky)

-edit-: sorry for making this like a flame, it's just that your post is complete BS

 

[Trinilim]

and 1 other thing:


Penatrating arrow does NOT pop your BT

It goes through it and does a portion of damage to you, but it does NOT pop the BT.




Q: About the new Penetrating Arrow – I know it will go through one sort of bladeturn. Will it take bladeturn down altogether?

A: No. This new type of special attack (currently on Pendragon) will not "pop" bladeturn, it will just pass through it. You're still safe from other arrow damage.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Trinilim
and I think YOU'RE the one that needs to stop being so ignorant.

Longshot: 5 minute reuse
Volley: 30 second reuse

wow, big feckin woop, you can get hit by and archer with no + damage once every 30 seconds (if the archer is lucky)

-edit-: sorry for making this like a flame, it's just that your post is complete BS

Aha, the fact that an archer needs love makes it no nerf to PBT-servants!

That's bullshit. Give PBT-bringers every 30 sec a PB low-dmg high radius blast insta and you explain to me how that is not a nerf to stealthers.

Same reasoning, otherway around.

This archerlove is indeed a PBT-nerf. Depends on your point-of-view if you think it's a big one.

I dunno, but I think that every 30 sec. my bubble is no help against archers, right? You explain to me how that's no nerf.

 

[Brevis]

I like you Trinilim

Btw, how many archers do you think have volley or longshot? I wouldnt touch those RA's with a 10 foot pole.

 

[loxleyhood]

Now that volley penetrates pbt, it will be quite uber. (Small correction, 15 second timer) But shouldn't a 14pt RA be uber?

 

[Karlo]

Originally posted by Mavl
"- Additionally, Longshot and Volley now penetrate ALL Bladeturns, regardless of who cast them. "

I think you are the one who needs to read the patchnotes more carefully.

Right ok so archers can penetrate bladeturn on non spec line characters, i.e. not the casters. Look at it this way, thats archers only that get to do it. Its not that much of a nerf.

Only really any good for solo'ers. In groups they get one more hit in on each person they attack.

Solution: Kill grouped archer before tanks.

I dont really think its that much of a nerf. Just balancing archer classes imo.

 

[old.LandShark]

Re: Re: earth theurg, warden, supp rm...

Originally posted by Trinilim
my god you're a wanker

you can't even BEGIN to imagine how bad the PBT situation was with archers.

you can't even BEGIN to imagine how much archers have NEEDED this kinda thing.

man, you are one selfish prick, you know that?

People can have 3 second pbt, k? you know how fecking frustrating that is on archers? no? I suppose you've played SOME kind of tank yes? Well, imagine missing

EVERY

SINGLE

SHOT

YOU

MAKE

every rvr battle, nonstop, for about 8 months.

PBT did NOT get nerfed, it got FIXED so that archers can actually be of some kind of use in this game now.

You could at least TRY to be civil

 

[Jiggs]

why did you have to quote that?

ignore is so useful you know

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Aha, the fact that an archer needs love makes it no nerf to PBT-servants!

That's bullshit. Give PBT-bringers every 30 sec a PB low-dmg high radius blast insta and you explain to me how that is not a nerf to stealthers.

Same reasoning, otherway around.

This archerlove is indeed a PBT-nerf. Depends on your point-of-view if you think it's a big one.

I dunno, but I think that every 30 sec. my bubble is no help against archers, right? You explain to me how that's no nerf.

Think about it, you can't seriously have much in the way of archer love without some BT nerf, I for one am happy for archers, they got skanked from very early on and since the game does not consist of archers 24/7 there are plenty of instances that BT will remain effective as always.
Hell a little variation in battle is possible!!!! OMG you might have to go for the archer 2nd from last rather than utter last in a fight

 

[Khalen]

ROFL but ehm there are 10 more classes who still will have trouble hitting a char with pbt... So one class who has that ability won't be much of a nerf to them...

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by elerand
Think about it, you can't seriously have much in the way of archer love without some BT nerf, I for one am happy for archers, they got skanked from very early on and since the game does not consist of archers 24/7 there are plenty of instances that BT will remain effective as always.
Hell a little variation in battle is possible!!!! OMG you might have to go for the archer 2nd from last rather than utter last in a fight

Decrease fumble-rate, increase change-to-hit for an arrow.

Make See Hidden an active RA same way as True Sight. That is a fair fix without nerfing anyone EXCEPT assassins but they whine always See Hidden is not needed they don't have it bla bla bla..Earth-theurgist can't do shit except running PBT and now it doesn't even protect their mates from arrows anymore.

This is a nerf to PBT and BT as is. And it doesn't fix the major archers-problems, as pointed out by other archers in another thread.

 

[kalid]

They should focus on damaging tanks by archers, mages have nuff problem to stay alive without being a needle-cushion.

 

[loxleyhood]

Personaly, I think mythic have done an exelent job here, Archers aren't becoming over-powered caster eaters, but at least we can do something now.

Balance has been restored.........

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Mavl
All these chars got severely nerfed in the latest patch.

Just trying to get your attention to this little thing here.

Like see hidden, the archer RAs now negate whole spec lines ppl spec in.

Also, casters got another nerf, because their self bladeturns can now be penetrated, and archers got ability to fire like a machine gun(read: interrupts).

The dead horse got kicked once again.

Therefore i declare, that this patch sux, and the game got screwed over once more :E




Yes, I am bored and I neeed sleep.

Your not funny, just retarded, piss off jerk

not even gonna annihilate your moronic ramblings because your obviously some kind of uber-idiot

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress

This is a nerf to PBT and BT as is. And it doesn't fix the major archers-problems, as pointed out by other archers in another thread.

see hidden gets nerfed, pbt gets a fix and our fumlbe rate drops and if we actually miss mroe than melee'ers that will be fixed aswell. I think these were things all archers wanted to see fixed. Ow and longshot is on a 5 minute timer so it wont be a real threat to a self bt and volley is a GTAOE target, the chances that you hit the same person even if he stands still and is the only one is 2/5 (you shot 5 arrows on the same GT and then you need to volley again). The arrows release at the same normal drawtime. So I highly doubt anyone would use volley unless its on mg stand offs or keep defense/attack. But yes than your self bt is passed through, but then you can still move out of the GTAOE zone. Besides you will most likely only be hit once by the arrows from the volley. Unless there are 4 archers doing the same thing

 

[Aule Valar]

1.62e archer changes - very necessary, fixes the class, been needed for ages

1.62d stupid, its like giving every melee class with a 3sec or slower hit rate penetrate blade turn because they get half their hits blocked
ffs tanks work together to gank, if archers learnt to do this they wouldn't need to whine, they just want to be the only class that can actually solo

 

[Mavl]

"- NOTE: We have seen complaints that Archers miss their targets at a higher rate then melee fighters. Please be aware that we have run extensive tests as well as looked at the formulas and have found the miss rates for Archers and melee are the same. We will continue to look into this as more reports and logs are generated by Archers, but for now there are no miss fixes."


The above is for the ppl that say that archers miss more.

The good news(for casters) is:
"Q: About the new Penetrating Arrow – I know it will go through one sort of bladeturn. Will it take bladeturn down altogether?

A: No. This new type of special attack (currently on Pendragon) will not "pop" bladeturn, it will just pass through it. You're still safe from other arrow damage. "



Yes, archers needed a boost, but without nerfing other classes. And I was refferring to Volley that can now simply kill a caster and requires no los, not penetrating arrow. They should have left those timed self bladeturns untouched.


The thing is, these changes just killed(like if it wasnt already dead) the earth theurg. Same on lesser degree applies to other bubbles, since they sacrifice Alot to have the bubble.

I never did understand ppl that cheer when someone gets nerfed, because it's vasically means that there is one less fun class o play in this game.



Shame some ppl here can't even make a civil post.

 

[bult]

Earth theurgs are more gimped then archers ever were and now they get nerfed uke:

 

[bult]

archer love is nice tough just a shame that it had to make one of the biggest gimps in daoc slightly worse.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Mavl
[BYes, archers needed a boost, but without nerfing other classes. And I was refferring to Volley that can now simply kill a caster and requires no los, not penetrating arrow. They should have left those timed self bladeturns untouched.
[/B]

you ever used volley? i would rather use penetrating arrows than volley on one character. Chances are you hit no one if there is only 2 ppl in the AOE with your 5 arrows. Besides volley wont speed up your drawtime. Volley is only useful vs buffbots at tk as you need a long range and got all the time to kill them. However if you get hit by one arrow you would move i assume? So then you are out of the AOE, besides volley also got a minimum range, which i believe was 1400.
So volley is only useful on mg standoffs and with keeps. However then you would use it to shoot at a densely packed area to have highest chance off hitting with all your 5 arrows. But even then chances are still that you wont hit the same target twice. So I highly doubt this boost off volley will have any effect atleast in normal rvr.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Mavl
"- NOTE: We have seen complaints that Archers miss their targets at a higher rate then melee fighters. Please be aware that we have run extensive tests as well as looked at the formulas and have found the miss rates for Archers and melee are the same. We will continue to look into this as more reports and logs are generated by Archers, but for now there are no miss fixes."


The above is for the ppl that say that archers miss more.

The problem with that statement is that it isn't accurate.

Melee and archery has the same missrates if you use UNSTYLED attacks. However there is no way to get +tohit bonuses with archery to bring the chance to hit above neutral. There is with melee.

Yes, archers needed a boost, but without nerfing other classes. And I was refferring to Volley that can now simply kill a caster and requires no los, not penetrating arrow. They should have left those timed self bladeturns untouched.

It's impossible to make one class more effecient without making another aspect of the game weaker.

And PBT by itself _WAS_ overpowered against archery. The PBT classes could ofcourse be underpowered in abilities, but PBT affected and protected so many classes(entire groups) that it was impossible for archers to hit anything. Is it right that you should be able to ignore archers? Casters does not _RELY_ on another caster to be able to hit at all. Archers did and it wasn't right.

The thing is, these changes just killed(like if it wasnt already dead) the earth theurg. Same on lesser degree applies to other bubbles, since they sacrifice Alot to have the bubble.

I never did understand ppl that cheer when someone gets nerfed, because it's vasically means that there is one less fun class o play in this game.

Earth theurgists are gimp when you look at number of decent abilities yes, but 6sec PBT was and still will be good. Archers who have and use volley are NOT your only opponents.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Earth theurgists are gimp when you look at number of decent abilities yes, but 6sec PBT was and still will be good. Archers who have and use volley are NOT your only opponents.

besides as i said earlier volley wont most likely not be used away from mg's and keeps.

 

[bellum]

Re: Re: earth theurg, warden, supp rm...

Originally posted by Arnor2
Your not funny, just retarded, piss off jerk

not even gonna annihilate your moronic ramblings because your obviously some kind of uber-idiot

Wow, and that comes the greatest idiot in the game.
/me wonders how to ignore idiot mid player comments... but I guess we wouldnt have any fun to read then

 

[-Shaz-]

Right...

Imo the "archer" class needs help against tank classes and stealth/assassin classes, not vs casters which if you think about it is what's happening. Who's gonna be worse off without bt if it goes down...work it out

Play an archer and you will see if you don't run around with a heavy bow ALL the time casters are 2-3 arrows~

The weak shouldn't have to kill the weak as it were...

Tanks are a tad harder and sbs (and infils to a degree) kinda kill the whole idea of the sniper.

Never had a problem with fumbles, they weren't once every other shot, of course you got the odd fumble at the worst of times etc but hey...life sucks then you die

Admittedly this is coming from a ranger pov (imo the "best" archer in group rvr and solo...archery...if there's such a thing). Course I don't play a ranger anymore...la la la.

Cba reading the rest of this.

Play both chars first.

 

[loxleyhood]

Scouts need work imo opinion, it is entirely impossible for me to solo the other archer classes now (rangers to a lesser degree) unless they completely mess up.

Hunter's insta pet makes it impossible to slam + shoot. Hunters have better melee than us.

Rangers enjoy the benefits of self buffs. Rangers dual wield makes Scout's shield worthless. Rangers have better melee than us.