"Earth" Hour.

[Minidk]

:>>>>

 

[Bugz]

Thing is though, people who want to save energy like lightbulbs etc, already have energy saving lightbulbs.

Those things powering up use more energy then if they were on for one hour.

The whole point of energy saving lightbulbs is that they burn cheaper, but chargingup takes a bit of extra juice.

Atleast if i remember correctly the thingies. Could be wrong

Yes you are wrong.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes you are wrong.

How about some proofies?

 

[Bugz]

Googled within 2 mins:

Turning Off Lights: Does it Really Save You Money on Your Energy Bill? - Associated Content

P.S - I got the 15 minute figure wrong - apparently its 10 mins and I may have mixed up energy saving & regulars but meh.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Fair enough.

Well, let's hope the people who turn off their lights, also turn off their blenders, TV, computer(doubt it! Gotta talk about saving energy via the internet :lol, and all other things and that they DON'T use that "energy saving time" to go shopping in their cars or do other "out of house" chores.

That would be silly, i believe. Use the time you save energy to NOT be in the house even.

Sitting that hour in your apartment, doing nothing that uses energy, would be the logical thing to do, but then comes the thought of "how much could i have done to help the world in this hour?"

That's what i mean by "do it right".

 

[chipper]

then you may as well go live in the forest toht if you want do it properly and live off what nature provides.

the idea behind this energy conservation is the fact that people leave lights on in rooms they do not occupy they dont need to be so turn them off is the message.

 

[Zede]

I'm gonna turn every fucking light i have ON for an hour.

 

[old.Tohtori]

then you may as well go live in the forest toht if you want do it properly and live off what nature provides.

the idea behind this energy conservation is the fact that people leave lights on in rooms they do not occupy they dont need to be so turn them off is the message.

Then people need to be taught not to be morons, save money and through that, save the humanity from a premature death. Not that a couple of years matter in the grand scheme...but those people who turn it off already KNOW the message.

Why i don't go into the forest is because i don't need to, but i'd welcome a world where that choice wasn't an issue.

As long as there's this world though? I'm enjoying it.

I'm gonna turn every fucking light i have ON for an hour.

Exactly! Go nuclear! Woot!

 

[Gwadien]

Pfft, you lot aren't any fun anymore, you don't go off topic like you used to!
No-one even qouted my post to say that it failed to be funny or something! Damn you, I might go find a more fun forum to look at like, erm, Geeks2go or something!

 

[Zede]

This whole green issue is a load of utter shit.

I am a firm believer in technology - i see some amazing technology in this brill world of ours on a daily basis. Oil - heck its old tech man, one of the oldest, they are using modern day spin to keep the sheeple occupied, its called The Green Lobby

It's gonna run out - thats for sure. Who is gonna lose when it does ? The Oil companies. It is in the best interest of the oil companies, ( now with actual known limited resources due to excellent seismic tech shizzle i bet - what is it 50 years ? )to slow down the use of all forms of power consumption, petroleum based power consumption. that is.

We have the tech right now to go petro free entirely, but alas, and maybe Gorbo can help me out here... the petrochemical corporations & affiliates have a fair bit of power in the grand scheme of things, (illuminati withstanding of course) and basically wont "allow" a world based on anything but oil, until one day in the future, and as far into the future as possible as far as they are concerned.

Raw Materials instead of petro ? Every rope & sail on the Victory at the Battle of Trafalger was made of hemp. Out of every single plant species on the plant, hemp has the 2nd HIGHEST protein content, after soya. Oh yer if you wanted to, you could run every car on the planet on it as well. Yes, it's that groovy.

This turning off light bulbs is the biggest turd on a stick ive seen in ages, disgraceful propaganda.

 

[Gwadien]

Actually, just thought about this, hmm, if people turn their lighhts off at the same time, then if they wanted the 1billion people to turn them back on at the same time, wouldn't that make a blackout?

Then more non/renewable resources would have to be used to get us back on teh road ;(

 

[Ch3tan]

if all billion people were serviced from the same power grid..........

 

[Chronictank]

I guess it depends which way you spin in Chronic.

Would a rapidly approaching dramatic change of lifestyle force upon us the need to expand and adapt other methods of energy conversion? Or is something as dramatic as energy-sources not possible in such a time?

People can develop and expand quick as hell when under pressure.

It is literally not possible at this point in time with current technology to meet the current energy demand, not even factoring in growth and population increases.
You would need to build roughly a new Nuclear Plant every 3 days or solar panel/wind turbine every 6 seconds to keep up with the current global energy usage, the reality is those numbers would be even more ridiculous.

Short of Nuclear Fusion becoming a reality there isn't really a viable alternative at presant (if the Koreans can crack a sustained reaction then we have a damn good chance of making Fusion work)

 

[old.Tohtori]

Like i said, the only viable option to keep ourselves in "check" would be limiting our freedom.

How about limited power use? This much one day per example.
Or forced blackouts? At night, nothing moves!

And so forth.

 

[Chronictank]

Like i said, the only viable option to keep ourselves in "check" would be limiting our freedom.

How about limited power use? This much one day per example.
Or forced blackouts? At night, nothing moves!

And so forth.

wouldnt matter, the above was based on a sensible power use per person to maintain out current state of living (tv, lights, heating etc.. whose usage will naturally decrease anyway due to the price of energy rising in accordance to supply)
Forced blackouts at night wouldnt solve anything especially if using Nuclear you will just end up wasting more power (not burning more power, wasting it as it will just be burned off) as most large scale power production cannot simply be turned off.
take nuclear for example, it would cost more power and resource to restart the process than the power wasted overnight when it isnt being used

 

[old.Tohtori]

(tv, lights, heating etc..

TV, gone.
Lights, gone, use candles.
Heating, granted.

Cycle plants, etc, give power to major cities and cut it from smaller ones.

Like i said, we could , but we won't 'cause it kills freedom.

 

[Chronictank]

TV, gone.
Lights, gone, use candles.
Heating, granted.

Cycle plants, etc, give power to major cities and cut it from smaller ones.

Like i said, we could , but we won't 'cause it kills freedom.

It's impractical, you are simply displacing energy usage for something worse

heating based on burning wood/coal/oil (possibly gas but this wont happen for safety reasons) causing more pollution per house (not to mention that its not just co2 you are releasing, and supply problems involved)
We havent even started on water/waste/maintenance, which if a city has no power will mean importing goods, meaning more costs in transport which means you will burn more not less fuel.
Add on top manufacturing, labour, transport costs and your energy footprint is even higher and far less efficient.

The above is nothing to do with freedom's, it is not practical
Electicity is by far the most efficient way to get energy to homes when compared to the alternatives

As for removing things like computers, tv's etc.. the usage is so low compared to the major sources it is insignificant as you will find by far the majority of expendature is on heating/cooling (based on where you live) which is why the government is pushing for better insulation and more efficient lighting

Heating: 1,210 Kg of oil equivalent
Water: 450
Cooking: 50
Lighting and Applicances: 250



Source:
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file11250.pdf
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=7287

 

[Lenore]

Everyone knows one of the main causes for climate change is agriculture anyway. Agriculture is a major drain on most the worlds resources, using a lot of fresh water (which theres barely any of on the planet anyway) along with the amount of energy that goes into producing the crops themselves for food, and for food for the cows. I think cows are the 2nd largest contributer to greenhouse gases, which is why we should all just eat kangaroos

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's impractical, you are simply displacing energy usage for something worse

You missed the point there. I'm not saying that scenario would mean replacing, i mean removing.

One computer might not do anything, but a billion would.
One removed car wouldn't do anything, but a billion would.

Etc.

It's an overshooting example of what WOULD cause an effect, i'm not supporting it at all.

 

[Chronictank]

You missed the point there. I'm not saying that scenario would mean replacing, i mean removing.

One computer might not do anything, but a billion would.
One removed car wouldn't do anything, but a billion would.

Etc.

It's an overshooting example of what WOULD cause an effect, i'm not supporting it at all.

So you mean taking the world back to the dark ages? (which is also a unrealistic goal ) while it certainly it would have a effect it also leaves the world entirely unprepared for the inevitable rising sea levels and other goodies which come along with global warming (which will happen anyway) due to lack of resource (ruined economy = less money for research) and communication (data no longer easily shared)

It would be short term gain for long term loss

Maybe i am just tierd but i don't get the point of the statement , it's like saying in a war eliminate both sides
It would stop the war but it would also be pointless as noone would benefit from it

The idea is to find an alternative which lets us maintain (approximately) the same quality of life we enjoy now (within reason). Anything other than that is not realistic and could never be maintained even if you took away "freedoms"

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah, it's kinda hard to put it into right context too 'cause i don't support it or think it's a good idea.

Just that, we could force people to save energy in a very effective way, but it wouldn't be good due to freedom going down the pooper.

So, saving energy is bollocks

 

[Huntingtons]

im eating an apple and feeling im saving the world.

 

[old.Tohtori]

im eating an apple and feeling im saving the world.

By eating that apple you;

Give profit to your local shop.
Give taxes to your community.
Give monies indirectly to terro....err...apple farmer.
Eventually add to the amount of human waste you produce, and as such, keep the toilet and sewer people in work.

On the flip side;

You're removing money from dentists and doctors for your (supposedly) healthy habits.
You're taking money away from other fruit farmers.
You're adding to the biowaste produced, or waste if you don't recycle.

Ain't eating an apple a b*tch

 

[Huntingtons]

i hate living

 

[fettoken]

I have said it once, and i will say it again. If you want to get something done, build a few Umbrella labs and start plotting. But, noone listens. All you want to do is "eat an apple", or make a complaint thread.

 

[Huntingtons]

All you want to do is "eat an apple", or make a complaint thread.

HEY!
i've done both at some point in life.

 

[Sparx]

By eating that apple you;

Give profit to your local shop.
Give taxes to your community.
Give monies indirectly to terro....err...apple farmer.
Eventually add to the amount of human waste you produce, and as such, keep the toilet and sewer people in work.

On the flip side;

You're removing money from dentists and doctors for your (supposedly) healthy habits.
You're taking money away from other fruit farmers.
You're adding to the biowaste produced, or waste if you don't recycle.

Ain't eating an apple a b*tch

Such a morbit way of looking at it

Why not just eat the apple out of enjoyment

 

[old.Tohtori]

Such a morbit way of looking at it

Why not just eat the apple out of enjoyment

That's not how we work here and you know it