"Earth" Hour.

[old.Tohtori]

Linkage.

Now for my take on it:

Bullcrap.

Earth will be fine, as always, planet will survive if we do or don't.

And how exactly would asving energy help prevent global warming? My lightswitch off = less pollution? Do explain.

How about "stop using cars for an hour" or some such for real fake effect. One hour..pfft.

I'm voting for global warming!

Here's some contrast on how we effect fuck all.

 

[Sparx]

If you look at the history of the planet you will that its cooled down and changed many times. Where i dont think we are helping the process i still think its a natural thing that occurs. There was a channel 4 docu that discredited the whole humans causing global warming. It was rather interesting

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah i know, bloody humans trying to "fight" mother nature.

Who knows what shit would hit the fan if we kept the earth from warming up. You know, like ice age

Or maybe earth is warming 'cause we're heading into a cold ass nebula or something.

Like said, bloody humans.

In the 70s there was a huge scare about "ice age", some swedish smartass came up with "dioxide warms atmosphere!", then the sun became more active and...tadaa.

And in 2012 it's expected that the sun will cool down again, which means; we cool down planet in fear of global warming + sun cools down = ice age.

Morons.

 

[Huntingtons]

well. you're saying that humans dont have any effects. so we cant really cool it down and your scenario does not work then..?

 

[Gorbachioo]

well. you're saying that humans dont have any effects. so we cant really cool it down and your scenario does not work then..?

Thats logic. Tohtori doesnt work that way.

 

[chipper]

of course we affect it theres over 5 billion of us on the planet thats quite a large factor to consider in the worlds life cycle, cut down enough trees you are reducing the amount of carbon dioxide that can be absorbed by plant life ergo temperature rises this is called the green house effect

what about that hole in the ozone layer did that magically appear on its own? no i think not

saying we dont affect the environment we live in is extremely ignorant. if 1 person turns a light off yes theres no neglible effect. now if a billion do it thats a different story.

the planet goes through cycles we know this due to ice ages basically the planet resetting its thermostat. who knows how much closer we have brought the next ice age due to our ignorance over the last 200 years of industrial gains.

 

[Jeremiah]

Linkage.
My lightswitch off = less pollution? Do explain.

Less demand = less production = less fuel used = less pollution. There, do I win a prize?

 

[Lenore]

The fact that the planets warming is natural and everyone knows that. Its that we are making it occur at a rate thats stupidly faster than it should be happening at and nothing has a change to evolve like with the past ice ages and things.

Plus the planet isnt warming everywhere, theres areas where its cooling (i think its off the coast of greenland, cant remember). But its cooler on earth now than it was a few 1000 years ago so we dont have to worry too much yet.

The 'Earth' day thing is to try and get people to use less things, which is better for everyone coz humans are known to be too selfish for their own good.

 

[old.Tohtori]

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well. you're saying that humans dont have any effects. so we cant really cool it down and your scenario does not work then..?

No no, i'm saying "turn off lights for hour" effects crap all.

People do effect, by breathing alone more then light switches

But it's easier to cause warming then cooling, atleast from what i've heard. Do correct me if i'm wrong.

what about that hole in the ozone layer did that magically appear on its own? no i think not

Ozone hole = maybe the 5000 or so nuke tests done in the 50s in the atmosphere. Not by having a blender on

The point is, without a nuclear holocaust, we effect the naure around us in such a minimal way that it's so ridicilous and selfish to think we do. Hell, go watch some ruins and such, nature knows how to take care of itself.

Even if we f*ck up the whole world into an uninhabitable rock, it'd bounce back. Earth is FINE.

F*cking earth day...pfft.

Less demand = less production = less fuel used = less pollution. There, do I win a prize?

Yes, a cookie, internet cookie, have it! *hands cookie* Well done

Now explain how one hour does it

The 'Earth' day thing is to try and get people to use less things, which is better for everyone coz humans are known to be too selfish for their own good.

Fair enough point, but due to enough people beign selfish enough, we won't make enough of a change unless we change ALL human behaviour. That we can't do, without sacrificing freedom.

For every tree you save, someone cuts one down.

Though in theory, that would mean that the greenbirdies and hippies are a natural part of the human way of life so that it's not overly problematic.

Thats logic. Tohtori doesnt work that way.

You can f*ck right off if you don't know how to discuss. Go troll some doom monger forum.

Since you don't discuss things, don't bother replying.

 

[Sparx]

Thats dicussion. Gorbachioo doesnt work that way.

 

[Uara]

Toht, I don't think they're trying to save the world by having people turn their light off for an hour. Instead I think they want people to do it to show that x amount of people are willing to do something to save the environment, why can't the gov'ts of the world put more thought into devising environmental policy.

 

[Gwadien]

Im gonna get involved, i'll just close my curtains

 

[Ch3tan]

Even if you do not believe in saving the planet, you should be all for saving energy. At the end of the day we are using resources that are not replaceable too quickly. We do not have a quick solution to replace these fuels, we already have conflict over resources.

 

[Bugz]

If you post a link Toht, you should really understand it and read it before you post it

 

[Chronictank]

It's about delaying the inevitable so we have sufficient time to prepare

At the moment we have no feasible alternative to fossil fules, no way to control the rising sea levels, no alternate food source (less land = less food) so on and so forth

The longer we put off the critical point the better

 

[Sparx]

With regards to the fossil fuel. The technology has been there for vehicles for years but the petrol giants arent allowing it through at the moment.

I was talking to a scientist who works for BP and the problem at the moment is do you build the vehicles first or build the infrastructure

 

[Bugz]

I guess it depends which way you spin in Chronic.

Would a rapidly approaching dramatic change of lifestyle force upon us the need to expand and adapt other methods of energy conversion? Or is something as dramatic as energy-sources not possible in such a time?

People can develop and expand quick as hell when under pressure.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Even if you do not believe in saving the planet, you should be all for saving energy. At the end of the day we are using resources that are not replaceable too quickly. We do not have a quick solution to replace these fuels, we already have conflict over resources.

Nuclear baby!

If you post a link Toht, you should really understand it and read it before you post it

I undertand it well enough. In short; pointless.

And we lived without fossil fuels bloody well before, i say bring it

 

[Bugz]

But the deeper meaning in that link isn't to save energy through turning your lightbulbs off together...which is what you perceived it to be.

And how exactly would asving energy help prevent global warming? My lightswitch off = less pollution? Do explain.

How about "stop using cars for an hour" or some such for real fake effect. One hour..pfft.

Unless I completely misinterpreted your interpretation?

 

[Huntingtons]

there are numerous reasons why i never participate in discussions with toh. -.-

 

[old.Tohtori]

But the deeper meaning in that link isn't to save energy through turning your lightbulbs off together...which is what you perceived it to be.

Unless I completely misinterpreted your interpretation?

You interpreted my "against" position towards the "thought behind it", when i was more against the notion.

As in; if you're going to make a notion with an underlying thought behind it, make the notion mean something.

 

[Bugz]

For the first time in history, people of all ages, nationalities, race and background have the opportunity to use their light switch as their vote

Is that not a good enough notion? The coming together of people all over the world; regardless of religion and background, to demonstrate their desire to work against a common problem?

Baring in mind they are after one billion people; 1/7th of the world's population. I'd say that is a massive notion, which has tremendous thought, esp. if that one billion is spread across the planet.

 

[TdC]

actually, everyone turning their lights back on at the end of the hour is worse than the 60 minutes of respite before that.

 

[Bugz]

The saving from 60 mins of them being off will be greater than the power surge needed to turn them back on again.

 

[TdC]

really? in that case I'm all for it tbh. My info came from last years effort, where the Dutch media had some power company rep on the news explaining in great detail how bad it was and stuffs. At the time I agreed with the guy, I'm so fickle

 

[Bugz]

IIRC, any more than 15 mins for a regular lightbulb will save energy.

For one of those swish energy-saving ones its something absurd like 3-4 minutes.

 

[TdC]

sweet. I have my house filled with the latter, more or less out of guilt for the constant 210W (idle) that is my computer o0

 

[Overdriven]

For the 1 hour you turn your light off, you forget to realise I left my room's lights on for 4 days straight (I thought they were off) so..

 

[old.Tohtori]

The saving from 60 mins of them being off will be greater than the power surge needed to turn them back on again.

Thing is though, people who want to save energy like lightbulbs etc, already have energy saving lightbulbs.

Those things powering up use more energy then if they were on for one hour.

The whole point of energy saving lightbulbs is that they burn cheaper, but chargingup takes a bit of extra juice.

Atleast if i remember correctly the thingies. Could be wrong.

Yes, the notion is ok(as far as ok is concerned), but the way is a bit poor. They could've saved alot more on some real "turn off" thing.

In any case, i'll be voting for global warming as i hate the bloody winter

 

[Overdriven]

Winter is shit. UK needs a proper summer for once.