D'ya wanna be in my gang?

[old.user4556]

Not if you're potentially facing the fucking firing squad I don't !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4454486.stm

Why do they keep letting this sick mother fucker in and out of countries? Why hasn't be been thrown in the slammer long before now? Why?!

 

[throdgrain]

Shooting the **** would be in everyones interests, including his own quite likely.
Do it now fs .

 

[fatbusinessman]

Glitter was found guilty in the UK in 1999 of possessing child pornography and served two months in jail.

Two months?!?! For kiddie porn? That's a shockingly short amount of time.

 

[Whipped]

Two months?!?! For kiddie porn? That's a shockingly short amount of time.

Well, he was found in possesion of kiddie pictures. There was no proof that he took any of those pictures so the sentance was probably about right.

This new charge though. If he's guilty then by all rights, but him up against the wall and shoot the fucker!! I wonder if he'll wear his glam stuff to the execution?

 

[Trem]

I hope they shoot him up the Gary Glitter.

Fuck him off, kill him now, but miss vital organs.......lots of times.

 

[Maljonic]

I don't think killing him, or anyone else, is the answer. It just brushes the problem under the carpet, we need to find out why people do these things to try and prevent it in the future. This kind of thing is happening all the time, every day to thousands of children, and it's usually done to them by somebody they know and trust. It's all too easy to shout 'kill him! String him up,' et cetera when it's someone like Gary Glitter. This kind of media coverage, and other people, making a big deal out of it like it's a rare circumstance and because of who it is just perpetuates the mith that the people commiting these crimes against humanity are all wierdos and easily spottable perverts like Garry Glitter, when in actual fact they are normal looking people who hold normal jobs and come across as nice.

 

[throdgrain]

Well, if you shoot someone like that, they cant do it again can they

 

[Whipped]

we need to find out why people do these things

Simple answer. They find young people attractive.

 

[throdgrain]

Yeah, in honesty I dont subscribe to this find out the root cause of the problem answer. For anything really
It seems to me to be an easy answer, an excuse for not having to take the tough action required.

(Oh god if only the me 20 years ago could see me saying this now ... )

 

[Escape]

There're thousands of convictions we don't hear about because the offender wasn't famous.

imho, liberal attitudes towards pornography and it's proliferation on the internet are corroding the taboo of child-sex and rape. Is there a survey of paedophiles, to determine if they moved onto child porn after years spent on adult porn?

 

[Scouse]

I don't think killing him, or anyone else, is the answer. It just brushes the problem under the carpet, we need to find out why people do these things to try and prevent it in the future.

Just before I say anything I would like to point out that I think that sex with underage girls is sick and he should be in jail for what he did but I figured I'd try to start some intelligent debate rather than have a whole thread of "lets hope they put his balls between two very heavy granite slabs that are gradually inching together"..

...perhaps a part of the problem is that, biologically speaking, many girls are ready to have sex at 12. It's partly our social constructs that make it so unpalletable.

I mean, in some US states the age of consent is 21. I lost my virginity at 17, consentually (of course), to a 17 year old. If I lived in the wrong place I'd have been put in jail and sections of society would have been pelting me with shit outside the court house.

In our country it's 16. I believe in some South American countries it's 12. In some countries it may be younger, some older.

It's the social construct that's the primary thing that makes it wrong.

Handily, I've lived under that social construct all my life so I hope the fucker goes to jail and I hope that those granite blocks are covered in sandpaper which is coated in lemon juice and vinegar so it really stings first

I just can't see how anyone could find a 12 year old attractive....?!

 

[Escape]

I mean, in some US states the age of consent is 21.

That's perverse!

 

[Scouse]

imho, liberal attitudes towards pornography it's proliferation on the internet are corroding the taboo of child-sex and rape. Is there a survey of paedophiles, to determine if they moved onto child porn after years spent on adult porn?

That's fucking rubbish. In fact I think that that's prolly one of the worst things I've ever read on a bulletin board.

Moved on to child porn after watching perfectly legal normal porn which, for some people, is an expression of their perfectly natural sexuality.

I mean, if you can't have sex, what's the fucking point of life?

Yes, we understand there are limits, especially with the young - but we're human beings.

Getting jiggy and making your girlfriends/wife's face look like a plasterer's radio is a normal, natural and part of nearly everyones life. If you want to watch other people buffing the muff to help get you in the mood then good on you.

That sort of comment makes me think that you've been brought up to belive that sex is bad, maybe should be hidden and that porn is "corrupting"..

When you see a bloke in a porn video fucking a woman in the ass before shooting his sticky globs all over the woman's face I know the first temptation is to think of Wij. Forget that shit - think of your mum and dad - that's probably what they get up to every night, and it's normal.

 

[Louster]

like a plasterer's radio

You have a gift for simile, sir.

 

[Whipped]

Remember kids. Adult porn is a gateway sexual medium that can lead to more base forms of porn.


Donkeys!!!

 

[Escape]

Scouse, you're contradicting yourself with that flurry of emotions.
First you you accept a person's social construct will shape his views, then you deny it?

Isn't it argued that smoking cannabis will not lead onto Class A drugs? In most cases that's true. Though the easily impressionable minority may go onto harder drugs if their social environment encourages them. These are people who in previous years would never have imagined using cocaine.

A similar model can be applied to internet communities, with 'porn pushers'.
Perhaps a person accustomed to bondage will indulge in a little 'fake' rape(pseudo-legal), the barriers between real and fake drop and it's just rape, oh look, her kids are getting raped too, how bizzare! How long before child porn becomes part of the collection?

Child porn is profitable, it is being marketed for a wider audience.

 

[Maljonic]

Okay, this is another common mith about these people. They are not led into it by watching porn, it's not something that suddenly occurres to them after watching a movie. They have been like it pretty much since they were born, in much the same way as heterosexuals or homosexuals have always had the same feelings - you can't suddenly turn straight or gay because of something that happens to you and you can't suddenly become a paedophile in the same way, though there are cases of child abuse being perpetrated by former abusees. Most paedophiles have a mental addiction problem, like an alcoholic or obsessive gambler, that can be treated with good psychiatric help. The only problem is that most cases are very secretive and never get found out, their illness is not obvious until they get caught. I'm not sure about this, but I do wonder if we were more open about sexuality and relationships when educating children if we might spot certain characteristics of a potential paedophile as they are growing up and be able to do something about it; not to mention alleviating some of the angst of thinking there is something wrong with you if you are gay or otherwise sexually differently oriented to many people around you?

 

[Guest]

George Best, Garry Glitter, famous people who have fucked up, i love the tabloids, they are more bothered about reporting on these 2 on the front page or who Wayne rooney is copping off with than police officers who get shot dead in the streets.

 

[Escape]

Do you know of any studies which can back up your views, Maljonic?

Have there been surveys to determine the percentage of hetrosexual men in prison, who practise homosexual acts?

 

[throdgrain]

Well said Brooky, I agree.
Perhaps they should put them on "Im a celebrity get me a lawyer" or something

 

[Scouse]

Scouse, you're contradicting yourself with that flurry of emotions.
First you you accept a person's social construct will shape his views, then you deny it?

Isn't it argued that smoking cannabis will not lead onto Class A drugs? In most cases that's true. Though the easily impressionable minority may go onto harder drugs if their social environment encourages them. These are people who in previous years would never have imagined using cocaine.

A similar model can be applied to internet communities, with 'porn pushers'.
Perhaps a person accustomed to bondage will indulge in a little 'fake' rape(pseudo-legal), the barriers between real and fake drop and it's just rape, oh look, her kids are getting raped too, how bizzare! How long before child porn becomes part of the collection?

Child porn is profitable, it is being marketed for a wider audience.

I take issue with most of this post tbh.

Point by point - yes, a persons social construct will help shape his views. I would never deny it. It doesn't mean that their own sense of right and wrong gets ditched tho. For example - lets look at some of the things you see in porn:

• Nekkid laydeeez (yay!) or blokes (urgh!)
• The handling of the members
• The ramming from behind
• Bird on top of a big fat cock
• Couple of young hotties sucking a blokes fattie
• Pretty blonde girl getting eaten out by an old guy
• Ugly fat bird getting shagged by an 18 year old
• Happy Bum Sex
• Plasterers radio's as far as the eyes can see!

Do you have a problem with any of that? I mean, apart from the ones that go against my sexuality I've pretty much done most of that and I've never shagged a child.

In fact, I've never even seen a nekkid picture of a child (unless you count me or my brother in my mum's childhood photo collection). I really don't want to and my literally hundreds of hours watching porn with a girl or by myself has never ever made me think that I want to.


Now as for the part I put in bold: These people need to take responsibility and be held responsible for their own actions.

You seem there to be saying: "Ahhhh, it wasn't really their fault that they took drugs - they were easily impressionable and coerced into it" or that they somehow couldn't say "no".

That implys that child-abusers can't really help shagging children - it's all those bad videos of perfectly natural activities that make us human corrupting them and taking them down a bad avenue.

These people know what they do is unacceptable. It is ALL their own fault. They could decide NOT to shag children. Nobody forces them to - and they know right from wrong.


Grand Theft Auto - is it responsible for killing people in America? Are video nasties responsible for the killing of Jamie Bulger by those two kids? How about that child that was found with rope burns round it's neck? Surely it was the enviroment's fault - not the fact that all these crimes were committed by bad people who made a choice to commit them.

As for this:

Perhaps a person accustomed to bondage will indulge in a little 'fake' rape(pseudo-legal)

My girlfriend (as has every girl I have been out with) has a rape fantasy. Probably more than one. I've done a little bondage with previous girlfriends - it's not really my thing (the leather and stuff - boring). I've even simulated raping one of my girlfriends by acting out her fantasy at her request. (It was weird but she came really hard so who am I to argue?)

Now - what's pseudo-legal about any of that? The legality of nothing is being called into question - it's (or was) a private act between two consenting adults. It's certainly not leading me to think that maybe I should go out and rape women, even slightly.

If you personally think that these things could lead to other things for you - perhaps you need to go and see a psychiatrist. For the rest of us it's perfectly normal and harmless - like playing GTA.


As for:

Child porn is profitable, it is being marketed for a wider audience.

I don't doubt that there's profit. But "marketed for a wider audience"? It's even more apologist than your last statement. It's not as if there's subliminal ads on the telly saying "Timmy's five years old and badly needs your cock"...

EVERYTHING THESE WANKERS DO IS BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL. I don't care if they're sick - unless they're mentally disabled (which only a tiny percentage of them will be) they know right from wrong.

 

[yaruar]

Do you know of any studies which can back up your views, Maljonic?

Have there been surveys to determine the percentage of hetrosexual men in prison, who practise homosexual acts?

There is circumstance based and societal based sexual deviation from the normal mode for an individual, although these are usually only in extreme circumstances. There are very few cases where a person would be in a situation where their only option for sexual contact would be children, although this might explain why there is more abuse in care homes/etc.

 

[Tom]

Why do people find children sexually attractive? I reckon its because the most attractive features of an adult are the child-like ones - big eyes, small nose, big mouth (in proportion to their face), smooth skin.

Personally I think something chemically is messed up in their heads, and they confuse those attractive features with children full stop.

 

[supersaint]

If he gets the bullet will his wig fly off?

 

[Whipped]

If he gets the bullet will his wig fly off?

I'd think that would be the least of his worries

 

[Escape]

Scouse, your hysteria is throwing me off balance! I don't know what's gotten into you, but I'm not an evangelist bible-basher or a paedophile apologist! I don't know which is more absurd.

To put it plainly, I'm saying there're easily impressionable people whose "moral" barriers can be removed. If that means introducing someone to pornography and leading them upto child porn, it can be done and it is being done! The internet has made it simpler.

A person doesn't need to be 'gay' to have sex with other men. A person doesn't need to be born demented, or have abusive parents to rape(have you studied wars? even children are raped). Did these men entertain notions of rape throughout their lives? Given time and circumstance, all humans can be corrupted. If that means taking a 'normal' man and leading him to paedophilia, it can be done.

There is a reality in which all men are capable of all crimes. We live in it.


P.S.
- Your list of porn is pathetic, we watched harder stuff at school
- Of course people need to be punished for their crimes, where have I said otherwise? (Punishment isn't enough, I want to see rapists executed)
- Neither have I supported drug users.

I'm not even sure what your argument is based on, as you've misquoted everything I've previously said.

 

[Whipped]

Of course people need to be punished for their crimes, where have I said otherwise? (Punishment isn't enough, I want to see rapists executed)

A bit harsh, I'd say neutered would do quite well.

 

[old.user4556]

Scouse, I just got a semi reading your post.

I don't agree that watching adult porn could lead onto watching child porn, but Ted Bundy did say that watching violent porn may have contributed to him raping/murdering dozens of women.

 

[Scouse]

Loadsastuff

I'm not sure you've understood a thing I said but whatever. I'm not sure what your underlying feelings are about porn - but you seem to think of it in such a terribly negative way.

Yes, there's paedo's all over the shop and I dare say that when they're doing whatever they're doing that normal porn may be involved. But that's not the bleeding porn's fault.

What they do is take something essentially harmless and twist it because it serves whatever vile needs. If I pick up a knife and stab someone with it you wouldn't villify the knife - you'd call me a twat.

And Mr G m8ty

Scouse, I just got a semi reading your post.

I don't agree that watching adult porn could lead onto watching child porn, but Ted Bundy did say that watching violent porn may have contributed to him raping/murdering dozens of women.

Yeah. We're talking about someone here who's already broken as a human being taking something and twisting it to terrible purposes. (Although I don't know what sort of violent porn you're talking about - anything non-consentual is illegal, quite rightly).

Part of what I'm objecting to is Escape's line of thought that goes along the lines of:

Porn is used when bad people do bad things therefore porn = bad.

It's the same mentality as:

You can kill people in GTA therefore when kids who've played GTA kill people = GTA's fault



Ah. Fuck it. I'm late round my birds for dinner. Cyas

 

[Lester]

<dips toe into debate tentatively>

When I had the video shops and mixed with "the yoof of today", the amount of lads and girls who were diddling each other at 13, 14, 15 was mad (it was a nice area, you can tell). All 12 an 13 year old boys (and probably girls) think about "it" a lot.

Peadophilia seems to describe the age gap more than it does the age of the person involved?

If a 13 year old gets pregnant by a 15 year old boy, it's shocking, yes, but not for the same reasons - it's just another example of our chav society. What age does the bloke have to be, to be considered a pervert?