Drunken Rant

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isuck

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im bored and im drunk, and i've lost the thread i started about penguins or pies or something, i can remember... so im starting a new one,.... if you are expecting anything amusing/intelligent/worth commenting on/worth reading you may stop reading now cause i dont wanna disapoint you.. in fact i think i've run out of things to say already.

i think im gonna start with a long dead subject, cheating in cs. cs is dead, cheats have killed it, its just nobody has noticed yet.. people want to believe that there arent as many cheaters as there are, or that being a memeber of a respected clan means someone doesnt cheat, or that the next version will stop cheating... but it wont. nothing will. the only way to stop cheating is to stop the attraction of cheating, or imposing a penalty severe enough to deter people, however, its never going to happen. i suggest people head for the lifeboats, as cs is a ship which is sinking... its just taking its time.

an analogy: cs is like the dead man on the operating table, and the doctor is giving him an electric shock, trying to get a steady pulse, but ever jolt just makes the pulse weaker... its like building a house on shit foundations, its gonna sink so far down its eventually just gonna collapse.

dont get me wrong, i love cs, i play a lot of games online but cs is the one i play the most, but i looked at the list of banned Wonid's on barryworld servers and i cant help but think that there are as many cheats out there as there are wonid's in the file... its just they are careful when they play, or how they play, or what hitbox their aimbot is targetting...

and then theres the other side of the coin, good players, people who have a fast aim and a good eye, good hearing.. they join a server, and within a round or two the accusations begin.. "aimbot this" "wallhack that". it's fucking pitiful. when people resort to stabbing at their own teammate, or worse teamkilling them... with no proof other than their own belief. people who would rather believe that they we're beaten by an aimbot than by someone with skill. but who can blame them when there are so many cheats out there.

i have always hated cheating, probably suggested that "all cheats should die" at one point or another, but i realised recently that this is because the only cheats i have seen have been the other end of an ip, nice and safe in their bedrooms or wherever.

however, i help run a local lan event every month or so, where ppl come to play hldm/cs/dod and other games... but the main game being played is cs. i know most if not all of the people that go to this lan and am friends with most of them.
i was just settling into a nice game of cs_thunder when i heard shouts from the other side of the hall. long story short, someone had been seen using an aimbot by another player... the someone being a good friend of mine.

well, after a heated arguement the offender was "escorted" to the car park where, as i looked on he was attacked by 3 other players. i couldnt believe what i was seeing... you may think "fucking cheat, he deserved it" but nobody deserves that sort of treatment (except eye for an eye stuff)

eventually the situation was calmed down by the arrival of an ambulance and a car load of cops.. the cheat was hospitalised and the 3 "men" arrested.

this changed my perspective on what should be done with cheaters. i mean, so fuckin what if he cheats in a GAME, resorting to physical violence is pathetic behaviour. anyway, i dont know where i started so i think its only fair you dont know where i end my point. THE END

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[05:34] <isuck> how do u spell disapoint ?
[05:34] <+Skyler> disapoint
 
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Skyler

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Well CS is dying everyone knows that, but its got enough life ahead of it, if it was dying that badly it wouldnt of been adopted by TheCPL etc...

There are many cheats, how many I dont know, the blatent ones, as I've said before I dont give a shit about they dont bother me. Its easy to tell they are cunting you with a cheat and you can just not worry about their crap and just piss around or kill them despite the cheat. The ones that hide cheating are the worst cheaters there are, they are more devious, they pretend to be normal but infact use the advantages of certain cheats to gain the edge or to improve their consistency. They are the ones that join the bigger clans. These are the people that spoil the game most, because they are suspect constantly, yet you cant proove either way their cheating, not even them attending a lan and playing can proove their innocence, basically you wont ever know unless they were caught, but thats if they cheated at all. The thoughts aggrivate while playing, you die once to someone, the immediate thought is "hmm wonder if that was legit". That thought hits me almost every kill and it bugs the hell out of me, more times than others. Recently I attended a LAN tournament with my clan and one player we played against had astonishing aim and reactions, he would shoot just as fast as an aimbotter with autoshoot, was very annoying playing against him. Yet those suspicions never even entered my head, I knew he was legit, he is 100% factually legit at that moment he was shooting my head nearly every round in a dodgy manner and he wasnt cheating at all. If i had seen that kinda thing online I'd be HLTVing it.....

I dont know why I'm wittering on... but anyway...

As for that cheat at LAN thing, I dont care what happens to cheats, I dont want them dead, or castrated, or burnt alive. I just simply want them OUT, for good from the CS scene. If a big named player is caught, I want that person gone for good from the scene, not defended, just gone, thrown out. That is punishment enough and is enough of a detterent to make many think twice about cheating. CS is fast becoming more of a sport and cheating wont succeed in that area. You can have Online comps and such, but they wont ever be taken as seriously as LAN comps. I dont see Online gaming as a competetive area so much now, I see it as a launch pad for LAN events and such. The thing which kills CS more than the lack of cheat prevention and such is the community. The one thing that should be done when someone is caught cheating is their expulsion from the game permanently, or for say a year or two? Sadly, what we have online is people who defend their "mates" no matter what, even if the most blatent facts are shown to them and theres no doubt that the person is a cheater, they will still keep them in their clan and let them play and stand by them. That, is what causes so many problems. You catch a cheater, his clan defend him, they wont believe its true, you get more proof, they still argue and wont kick the person. They play the known, caught and proven cheater as if he was a legit player, they dont seem to care?
That would be all well and good, just get rid of the clan from competitions and let them loose their respect/reputation. But sadly no one in the CS scene seems to acknowladge the guilt of players, no one boycotts them or bans them from anywhere, no one dislikes them, or respects them less? People just get on as usual, I dont know why that is totally, I mean is it just big named players that get away with being caught cheating? Or does it happen to most? I think its mostly down to reputation... But they shouldnt have a rep if they were caught.... If someone in my clan was caught cheating thats it, they are out and ill do my best to get them banned from as many GSP's as I possibly can. Yet other clans just ignore the cheating part and act normally, its stupid..

Still wittering on... ah well... blame isuck!

That IMO is in part a cause of the increase in infiltrating cheaters, the ones who get in the good clans and pretend they are great. The way they know that even if they are caught their clan will defend them, and most of the community wont care or stop them from continuing to do it, or stopping them play at all. Its like thinking of robbing a bank knowing that 99% of the time youd get away with it. Of course your more likely to rob that bank because theres less of a downside....

Bottom line is, if the community was stricter on expelling caught "big name" players, we would have less of the serious cheating problem that we have. If they knew 100% they would loose the right to play CS ever again if they were caught, I'm quite sure it'd make them think more than twice about it :)

CS is insanely popular, even with the cheating, that for me says something about its gameplay, its rather good regardless of what you q3/ut whatever peeps say :)

On one other small note regarding Esports.... Sports establish themselves over many years..... they are eventually granted sport status? and then a set rules base is established with perhaps an independent governing body, and off it goes. The rules seldom change, let alone the platform or whole idea of the thing. This is what makes me dubious about Esports as a whole, computer games dont last very long, they are expired by newer games, sequels etc. So if say, CS became a fully fledged recognised Esport, what would happen in a year when its successor is out? Would they end CS as a sport and take up the new game? Surely thats silly as you dont just stop football as it is, and leave all the players in the lurch and move onto another game. But would they with Esports? Move from CS to CS2 when it comes out, dumping CS... Sports cant die that fast, that cant make them a sport really... Imagine your NiP, being paid to play CS, then it gets dumped and CS2 is out, and your crap at it... Wtf would happen to things? The sponsorship would collapse and that effectively ends your great CS career?

I could write more about that but I've written enough crap allready, now I'm going to retire to my bed and do some sleep0ring.....

Once again, this is all down to isuck, its all his fault, and yes.... he does suck! :D

- End.
 
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[A&I]Lilly Monster

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/me is now suitably depressed :|
 
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e_chrono

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As both of the above have said CS is definatly dying.
I started playing CS in BETA 5.5 through 7.1 when it was actually good.
Sure, there were cheaters then but the game was still relativly small in comparison to now. Since version one came out things have only gotten worse and worse.
I simply dont play it anymore.
Since Version1 and the takeover from Valve the game itself has definatly gone downhill.

There are bugs here and there which can start to piss the player off.
People think YAY, a new version has been released with its new anti-cheat. NO MORE CHEATERS. but thats just a joke.

As soon as some form of anti-cheat is released it doesnt take long for the creators of the cheats to adapt and to release a new version.

Basically, cheating in CS will never be stopped and never will be able to be stopped. There are too many "holes" in the game which allow cheaters to create new and improved cheats.

Team Fortress, which is what I play instead of CS is definatly a much better game. Its more fun, the community is more mature (well most of it) and there are far less cheaters.
Also, abuse is kept to a minimum during games in Team Fortress because its a much faster paced game than Counter-Strike.
In CS, you die and you have to sit around for a few minuets waiting for the round to start. This is the period when people start whinging and getting abusive.
In Team Fortress, you die, wait a few seconds and respawn. Maybe time for a little comment but no major rants and raves.

Basically what I am saying is agreeing with the above posts that CS is dying and the sooner the better.
It has got too big, too fast. I am sure the creators of CS know the inevitable is coming, the end of Counter-Strike.

When development stops on Counter-Strike, servers will still run for it, people will still play it but as more and more cheat and more and more get pissed off with it and stop playing Counter-Strike the servers will start to close, one by one until there is a very limited number of servers on which the players can play.

Another thing that pisses me off with all this cheating in Counter-Strike is clans accusing other clans of cheating in a match.

Only yesterday was I defending my friends clan.
They are ranked around 130's in clanbase and had played a clan placed in the 40's.
Because one of the members in clan "130's" had a score of 30/0, clan "40's" believed he was cheating. I know virtually all of clan "130's" personally and know for a fact they dont cheat.
We play at our LAN's where everyone brings their PC's and we can all see that eachother doesnt cheat.
You would think a clan ranked in the 40's would accept the loss and not whinge. Everyone is entitled to their good day's surley.
During the massive argument between the clans in IRC we were verbally abused by clan "40's" and proceeded to explain and try to persuade them that 130's dont cheat. They wouldn't accept it and demanded a rematch which 130's have agreed to.
It seemed that clan 40's couldnt hack a clan positioned nearly 100 places below them beating them.That just shows how pathetic even the better clans can be.

Anyway, thats my rant over.
A little round up.
  • Counter-Strike is dieing
  • Sooner the better
  • Team Fortress is a better game because of the community
  • Cheaters will never be stopped
  • Cheaters will cause the end to Counter-Strike

-The End
 
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Trem

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That was interesting isuck, and i bet your fingers hurt after that Skyler m8, you both made total sense and you didnt once read as though you were pissed isuck, nice 1 guys.
 
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]SK[

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Gosh you expect me to read all taht?

If you somehow manage to squeeze it into 5 lines I might attempt it.
 
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throdgrain

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And The Clash are much better than all these modern bands....
I bet they played version 0.01 beta :)
 
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Mr Flibble

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The thoughts aggrivate while playing, you die once to someone, the immediate thought is "hmm wonder if that was legit". That thought hits me almost every kill and it bugs the hell out of me, more times than others.
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Exactly how I feel now and have done for some time. I hate the way I've lost my respect for great players who come on servers ( and I'm talking FLF now too) totally own the server, and all I can think of is "hmmm I wonder..." This is especially true in FLF where we have a hitoutput system which tells u where you hit and where you were hit. When someone hits u 4 time in a row in the head on full auto you stat to wonder. But then I know it can be done ( I've personally done it 7 times in a row) but it's still hard to accept.

Team Fortress, which is what I play instead of CS is definatly a much better game. Its more fun, the community is more mature (well most of it) and there are far less cheaters.
Also, abuse is kept to a minimum during games in Team Fortress because its a much faster paced game than Counter-Strike.
In CS, you die and you have to sit around for a few minuets waiting for the round to start. This is the period when people start whinging and getting abusive.
In Team Fortress, you die, wait a few seconds and respawn. Maybe time for a little comment but no major rants and raves.
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You could use that exact argument for FLF.
Cheating has runined online gaming for me, it doesn't even come close to what it used to in terms of enjoyment :(
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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Wow, I'm stunned. Old topic but kinda worth reading.

/me takes spamming elsewhere :D
 
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Skyler

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most noticable cheats arent very effective in tfc, and are very easy to spot..
 
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Tom

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I don't agree that cs is dying. This will only happen when a new version of halflife is released (I mean a Halflife 2 game, not an update).

I don't think there are as many cheaters out there as people perhaps make out. But if there are, then the only way to combat it is to shut down or prosecute those people who promote illicit websites. Christ, I could go to a site right now and download the latest cheats, and be a mofo in about 5 minutes time. That's the main problem, the availability of the cheats, not the fact that the code can be hacked. There are also fewer cheaters on BW now than there were before the anti-cheat software was added. I have complained on IRC about 3-4 times since xmas, and I used to complain every day.

I also don't agree that the game was better in beta form. True, I've only been playing since 6.5, but I think some people are looking through rose tinted glasses. I never liked the old hunch-back models, or the way I could spawn on top of another person and instantly die. I think as the game has become more popular, a larger percentage of players are cheating, and that has added to the perception of some that cs is getting worse, or 'dying'.

I don't remember any game that held my attention as long as counterstrike (and my first computer was a Commodore Pet 8K, in 1980), that kept me coming back again for more, that kept me from going to bed, and that made me really tired at work the next day.

I can't wait for the next version (not update) of cs, in the same way that I loved Doom over Wolf3d.

Enjoy cs, its free, its brilliant, and it won't be around forever. Better things are on the way, but not for a while.:eek:
 
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Moving Target

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Well I want CS to die, its owners should 'put it down' so to speak, it's not any fun anymore :/

TFC, I do not enjoy anymore. I used to spend hours playing it but I don't enjoy it anymore.

FLF I used to play but I don't think it's that good imo.

I am severly bored and no games entertain me anymore. Shame :/
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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Buuu.... I.... was I that stoned that I thought you'd joined Italy? :/
 
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Moving Target

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I did join. But only because I downloaded a model pack :p
 
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]SK[

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Nearly Earther after signing up at End of last year. You do talk to much.
 
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raw.

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Cheats do suck yeah, hospitalising someone over cheating is a bit too much, all though when ive played cs in the past and seen people get banned for blatantly doing it, i really did wanna climb inside my monitor and kick the little cunt in :)

Thankfuly my main game is q3 and osp pretty much covers most cheats and it is updated very regularly.

People have been saying q3 is dieing for over a year.. but its still here and im sure it will be here just as it is now next year, so just as you reckon cs is on its way out, im sure it will still be here in full force next year.
 
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e_chrono

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*sigh*

rant time again...

CS will be around next year, unfortunatly. The community will have shrunken, the players will have become more of cheaters and the abuse will of course have risen.

I am not denying its a good game for some people, everyone has their own opinions and mine along with many others by the look of it think its crap, with good reason too.

Ever since valve took over, its got worse, cheaters have become more commonly spread and the game itself has become more crap.

Lag has increased due to all this anti-cheat bollocks and the scanning of the hard drive crap.

The truth is cheats come out as fast as these updates for the anti-cheats so the cheat developers will always be one step ahead of the anti-cheat shit.

The sooner CS dies the better in my opinion. I play many games online, CS used to be one of them, CS used to be a favourite that I would play all the time but no more.
Its time it admitted its old and shit and there are many better games out.

Its time CS goes...
 
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throdgrain

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Like I said, if you dont like cs echrono, dont play it m8.Then if everyone that dont like it dont play it there wont be a game any more.
But thats not happening is it ? Loads of people play it, and thats because its still the best online game. By a bloody mile.
 
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e_chrono

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dont worry
i dont play it

Thought of the day:

If all cheaters for some reason stopped playing CS how many people would play it...
A lot more.
There needs to be some way of completley banning Cheaters WONID's from the whole network of CS servers.

Then if they really liked the gamethey would have to buy it again. Serve them right for cheating in the first place.
If they bought the game again and then cheated again then that just shows how pathetic the players are.
 
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