Drifting towards world war?

[Marc]

Simon Jenkins seems to think so

We tilt at windmills as world war looms | Simon Jenkins - Times Online

 

[Chronictank]

spot on, nice find

Any student of McCain or Obama, of Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, or of the leaders of Britain, France and Germany, might conclude that these are not people likely to go to war. They are surely the children of peace. Yet history shows that “going to war” is never an intention. It is rather the result of weak, shortsighted leaders entrapped by a series of mistakes. For the West’s leaders at present, mistake has become second nature.

 

[Bahumat]

I heard USA's camo is changing from digital design (perfect for afghanistan) to multicam which is ideal for Korea

 

[Gorbachioo]

Yes we are. Most people find it laughable at the moment but its the truth.


Right now we're going to the exact opposite direction than where we should be going if we were to solve peak oil/depletion of just about every other resource/global warming/etc.


People who have lived their lives after ww2 and especially those after the cold war just cant believe that anything could change significantly. But the truth is that the only thing thats keeping us from killing eachother (as we always have before) is the fact that its more lucrative to not to do that. Once resources become more scarce that wont be the case.

 

[cHodAX]

I have been warning people about a resurgent Russia for 4 years now, people thought I was nuts back then but we are edging closer and closer to a conflict which will just be a prelude to a 3rd world war over resources.

 

[chipper]

said when the georgia conflict started it was just the tip of the iceberg seems i wasnt too far off russia has even stated its not afraid of another cold war. why do a handful of ppl get to decide the future of billions

 

[Lethul]

I have been warning people about a resurgent Russia for 4 years now, people thought I was nuts back then but we are edging closer and closer to a conflict which will just be a prelude to a 3rd world war over resources.

And i've been warning them about USA

 

[Vasconcelos]

Moreover, the economic situation in the Western economies doesnt picture any good....

Aaaaaanyways, there are only a handfull of countries who could start a "world war": USA, Russia, China, Iran, North Corea, Pakistan.... And of those, i cant see the reasons behind China or USA. Iran and Pakistan are more likely to go under a civil war. And North Corea is too small.
So that leaves us with only Russia, a country which atm could only find allies in the old poor ex-soviet regions willing to reach sovereignity (such as Osetias and so), and the anti-american terrorist grps.

I see the Russia situation just the other way around. Going again into cold war standars is not going to help a country who is emerging his head from a 20 year period of hunger, economic problems, and territory fractures.

But, with the control of the energetic sources on which Europe is so dependant, we might be facing some serious problems for incoming winters....

 

[Bahumat]

Moreover, the economic situation in the Western economies doesnt picture any good....

Aaaaaanyways, there are only a handfull of countries who could start a "world war": USA, Russia, China, Iran, North Corea, Pakistan.... And of those, i cant see the reasons behind China or USA. Iran and Pakistan are more likely to go under a civil war. And North Corea is too small.
So that leaves us with only Russia, a country which atm could only find allies in the old poor ex-soviet regions willing to reach sovereignity (such as Osetias and so), and the anti-american terrorist grps.

I see the Russia situation just the other way around. Going again into cold war standars is not going to help a country who is emerging his head from a 20 year period of hunger, economic problems, and territory fractures.

But, with the control of the energetic sources on which Europe is so dependant, we might be facing some serious problems for incoming winters....

North Korea broke their "no nuke's" agreement thingy iirc?

 

[Cozak]

Missile business in Poland as well links in: https://forums.freddyshouse.com/off-topic21/230553-its-happening-again.html
Really doesnt look good, read today that Poland was just the beginning for these planned missile/missile defence sites as well... each new one will only anger Russia more I guess. Whats the World coming to?!?! Need a world leader meeting like in the Ali G movie!

 

[Vasconcelos]

North Korea broke their "no nuke's" agreement thingy iirc?

As far as i recall yes.
But, as much as they have the "red button", they lack the numbers for something wich could start a world war such a let say invasion of South Korea. Ppl from North Korea are either dieing from hunger or crossing the river towards South Korea, or are hungry soldiers willing to cross the river on their next patrol.

 

[Zede]

I liken it to cocks strutting their stuff, tails high in the air, pecking at who ever comes near.

Realise this : its just a game. nuclear weapons have been the biggest deterrant to world war the world has ever seen. As in the old film Wargames, nobody wins. Im not worried in the slightest about Iran, Russia or China - im far more worried about the USA, and can only hope Obama gets elected. Its just good cop bad cop on a global scale, we have had the bad & set in motion plans that... who ever comes in next could not change.

We just have a few more cocks in the farm yard, nothing to worry about.

 

[Lamp]

Agree 100% with Zede. There isn't going to be a global war.

 

[Billargh]

*buries head*

 

[ilaya]

i am actually scared of this shit even tho i know zede's arguements. nuclear weapons are the ultimate detterant... but there's other ways.. its building by the minute.. stand off in the black sea between US and Russian warships..

Obama can calm it yes.. but thats january.. is there time to difuse this shit?

somebody has to step in.. and not fucking milliband the tosswank.

 

[Huntingtons]

its USA and Russia im worried about, but not enough for a world war (im sure another comes, but wont be this year. and yes Cho, 4 Years ago you were crazy, coz its 4 years ago!)

 

[Binky the Bomb]

I grew up around the time of Chernobyl going up in smoke. Russia where waggling their dicks at the rest of the world when that happened, and I remember everyone shitting their pants when that happened.

Political face-offs are all show and no substance. Right now, we are going to enter negotiations on subjects that Russia finds important, and wants resolving NOW not in 6-12 months time to be heard by members of the UN.

I doubt we'll see a war with Russia, what we will see is how to cut through several hundred pages of red tape with a line of tanks. And I bet you this has nothing to do with Georgia in the end, but rather the missile shield that's being planned.

 

[Golena]

Most wars between superpowers these days tend to be diplomatic since we've passed the days of running across a field at each other with guns.

It's about showing who's got the biggest dick then negotiating from there. If the button actually gets pressed then no-one wins, so there's no incentive to actually press the big red button.

peak oil/depletion of just about every other resource/global warming/etc

Broken record?

 

[Zede]

Most wars between superpowers these days tend to be diplomatic since we've passed the days of running across a field at each other with guns.

It's about showing who's got the biggest dick then negotiating from there. If the button actually gets pressed then no-one wins, so there's no incentive to actually press the big red button.



Broken record?

dont get him going please

 

[adoNix]

I can't see how people worry about this shit.
You worrying will do you no good.. if theese superpowers bash together with nuclear weapons everyone will die wether you worry or not.
However.. Obama winning the election will be a small step away from a world war...
It's not that i not care, but you can't really go and stop those nuclear weapons with your worried mind can you?

 

[Marc]

imo the 4th world war has already begun.

(The 3rd one was the capitalism/communism conflict)

The current war is between Secular capitalism and Islam.
This is why we are in Afghanistan. The west created a monster there "mujahadiin/taliban" to fight the communists, it devoured the communists and then we lost control of it. We are now trying to put the Genie back in the bottle.

Afghanistan itself is merely the giants playground. America, Britain etc are not concerned about the welfare of the afghanis, what worries them is the spread of radicalism into Pakistan. A country with 300 million people, nuclear weapons, and an awfull lot of potential jihadi relatives who live in western nations. Not least of which is Britain.

On a side note is the fact that the only reason we can fight in Afghanistan is that the russians let us fly supplies into their airspace, in order to land in Afghanistan. It provides a very important reason why we let the russians get away with it in Georgia. The alternative is to have thousands of NATO troops having to be supplied via the unstable Northern tribal region of Pakistan, which risks aircraft being shot down and land convoys being ambushed.

 

[russell]

I can't see how people worry about this shit.
You worrying will do you no good.. if theese superpowers bash together with nuclear weapons everyone will die wether you worry or not.
However.. Obama winning the election will be a small step away from a world war...
It's not that i not care, but you can't really go and stop those nuclear weapons with your worried mind can you?

Is Obama too good to be true? Isn't he also a puppet on a string

 

[old.Tohtori]

There wno't be a war..pfft....i won't let it

 

[Uara]

There wno't be a war..pfft....i won't let it

Tohtori supreme ruler of earth and manipulator of events far beyond our understanding!

 

[Vasconcelos]

imo the 4th world war has already begun.

(The 3rd one was the capitalism/communism conflict)

The current war is between Secular capitalism and Islam.
This is why we are in Afghanistan. The west created a monster there "mujahadiin/taliban" to fight the communists, it devoured the communists and then we lost control of it. We are now trying to put the Genie back in the bottle.

Afghanistan itself is merely the giants playground. America, Britain etc are not concerned about the welfare of the afghanis, what worries them is the spread of radicalism into Pakistan. A country with 300 million people, nuclear weapons, and an awfull lot of potential jihadi relatives who live in western nations. Not least of which is Britain.

On a side note is the fact that the only reason we can fight in Afghanistan is that the russians let us fly supplies into their airspace, in order to land in Afghanistan. It provides a very important reason why we let the russians get away with it in Georgia. The alternative is to have thousands of NATO troops having to be supplied via the unstable Northern tribal region of Pakistan, which risks aircraft being shot down and land convoys being ambushed.

It is not world war unless there is armed conflicts in more than 1 continent. I wouldnt class Afgahnistan as world war, specially when it directly concerns only to the USA who created the mujaidins in the 80s. Cant see how it affects in a direct way to lets say Austria or Denmark.....

 

[Aoami]

unless it happens by 2029 there won't be a war because thats the year i get elected prime minister and i won't go to war.

deal.

On a serious note - the world has seen similair situations (look at Britain unver Thatcher then compare it Britain under Brown - amazing all these Tories want Brown out really isn't it) and there's been nothing close to a World War, and I think it's unlikely we'll see one in our lifetimes.

 

[Marc]

Cuban Misile Crisis?

 

[Gorbachioo]

imo the 4th world war has already begun.

(The 3rd one was the capitalism/communism conflict)

The current war is between Secular capitalism and Islam.
This is why we are in Afghanistan. The west created a monster there "mujahadiin/taliban" to fight the communists, it devoured the communists and then we lost control of it. We are now trying to put the Genie back in the bottle.

Afghanistan itself is merely the giants playground. America, Britain etc are not concerned about the welfare of the afghanis, what worries them is the spread of radicalism into Pakistan. A country with 300 million people, nuclear weapons, and an awfull lot of potential jihadi relatives who live in western nations. Not least of which is Britain.

On a side note is the fact that the only reason we can fight in Afghanistan is that the russians let us fly supplies into their airspace, in order to land in Afghanistan. It provides a very important reason why we let the russians get away with it in Georgia. The alternative is to have thousands of NATO troops having to be supplied via the unstable Northern tribal region of Pakistan, which risks aircraft being shot down and land convoys being ambushed.

Personally i think the "war on terror" is just an excuse for military presence where the oil is. The real problem here is SCO vs NATO.

Muslim terrorists are not a threat to us. We could win that war any day we wanted to. We just dont want to.

 

[Helme]

I guess it's time for Sweden to start practicing burying it's head in the sand then, whos with us?!

 

[Gorbachioo]

Most wars between superpowers these days tend to be diplomatic since we've passed the days of running across a field at each other with guns.

It's about showing who's got the biggest dick then negotiating from there. If the button actually gets pressed then no-one wins, so there's no incentive to actually press the big red button.



Broken record?

And what if the negotiations fail? Unlike many people seem to think, you can wage war even if both sides have nukes. You just have to do it somewhere else. (middle east).


But it could be that this'll be just a sequel for the cold war with proxy wars and all that. Who knows. Bad things coming either way.