Draw Mohammed day

[Job]

What if Islam decided next week to kill everyone in the pron business, or execute girls in the street for wearing short skirts or anyone for drinking alchohol?
These things are on their list.
Would we say, 'Well there's no point in upsetting them!'

Anyays it's all just another step towards us bombing them into the stoneage when Iran get's a nuke that can reach Isreal.

 

[Ch3tan]

What if Islam decided next week to kill everyone in the pron business, or execute girls in the street for wearing short skirts or anyone for drinking alchohol?
These things are on their list.
Would we say, 'Well there's no point in upsetting them!'

Anyays it's all just another step towards us bombing them into the stoneage when Iran get's a nuke that can reach Isreal.

Go go misinformation!

No offence Job, but you read like the Dail Mail.

 

[Ormorof]

its not illegal in any EU country (as far as i'm aware) to draw pictures of the prophet so how is it any different from drawing pictures of jesus or god in silly situations?

 

[old.Tohtori]

What if Islam decided next week to kill everyone in the pron business, or execute girls in the street for wearing short skirts or anyone for drinking alchohol?
These things are on their list.
Would we say, 'Well there's no point in upsetting them!'

Anyays it's all just another step towards us bombing them into the stoneage when Iran get's a nuke that can reach Isreal.

No one is saying that we should give into things or that we should turn into muslim nations, but that doesn't mean you should go out your way and try to offend them.

This is just a step closer towards being people who bomb buildings for drawing things, because you're actively doing something that;

A: causes harm to a group of people you don't like.

B: you know wiill cause an aggressive reaction.

its not illegal in any EU country (as far as i'm aware) to draw pictures of the prophet so how is it any different from drawing pictures of jesus or god in silly situations?

Is there a draw jesus day?

No, because that wouldn't cause a reaction and no one would care.

That only strengthens the fact that this is a provoke action, cooked up by internet generation who do the most absolutely assenine and immature things because they are safe behind a screen, with no responsibility i might add.

Atleast the guy who drew mohammed had the balls to be accessible, i bet many of the "draw mohammed day" guys wouldn't dare put their address on the pic.

 

[Chronictank]

its not illegal in any EU country (as far as i'm aware) to draw pictures of the prophet so how is it any different from drawing pictures of jesus or god in silly situations?

Ok i'll bite, they aren't allowed to depict images of mohammad (pbuh) as part of their faith.
In Christianity there is no such thing, they have giant statues of christ so i don't think they mind

If they blotted out his face but still made the joke there wouldn't be an issue


Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from responsibility, a concept many people here should perhaps look up

 

[Raven]

There is also freedom of expression, if I want to draw a picture of Muhammad then I bloody well will do, if I want to draw a set of balls on his forehead then I will do. Not that I would because its not really that funny.

Like I said, they need to get some perspective. They shout and scream and threaten to kill over someone drawing a picture yet are quite happy to persecute rape victims and generally act like a bunch of dark ages spackers.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Like I said, they need to get some perspective. They shout and scream and threaten to kill over someone drawing a picture yet are quite happy to persecute rape victims and generally act like a bunch of dark ages spackers.

And the "civilized" world does this, pokes them with sticks and then cries savage when the poked badger bites.

This whole anti-muslim thing is getting way out of hand and someone will get hurt if people don't, on both sides, start acting a bit better.

 

[Job]

You sound like the *daily mail/extremist website/nazi forums* is a very tiresome generalisation and is about as sad as repeating the last thing a person says in a silly voice during an argument.

Islamic extremists (which includes governments) have decided that some arbitary act of freedom by others who do not share their narrow minded views is
punishable by death.
Secularism will prevail, we just have to have bigger bombs than the loonies.

 

[Reno]

Ok i'll bite, they aren't allowed to depict images of mohammad (pbuh) as part of their faith.
In Christianity there is no such thing, they have giant statues of christ so i don't think they mind

Not quite.
I'm sure in 1 of the more stricter versions of the Protestant faith there still might be a ban on the display of any Jesus/God pictures.

A little wiki history overview:
From 1522 onward with the advent of Protestanism there were raids on catholic buildings with the destruction of religious statues/art, later most often in the Low countries. Hundreds of churches,chapels, monastary's and abbey's were looted and/or destroyed.
It even led to a war, the 80 year war between Spain and the renegade low countries, leading ultimately to the founding of the Netherlands.



Danita

 

[Thorwyn]

Drawing a picture of God (not Jesus in human form i.e. on earth) is violating the second commandment.

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

The difference is, that christians don´t give a damn because - according to their belief - the person in question will have to deal with the consequences of his sin when he dies.

 

[aika]

ah, the political correctness generation...

One day, when shit hits the fan, are you still gonna preach your tolerance choirsongs?
or is this some sort of "white guilt" for the years of Imperialism ?

 

[Olgaline]

Islam
Guys guys...
think about it!
why would you as a guy oppose it ?

I regualary suggest ti to the missus..but thus far, she isnt biting :/

 

[Ctuchik]

The whole draw mohammed thing is silly though.

Ok ok, i get it, freedom fo speech, notion noted.

But...as there's always a but...it's kinda like this;

You're free to go into a biker bar and call everyone there a "leather wearing wanker", but...

It's just...why stir the pot?

fuck, i'm agreeing with Toht... :/

 

[Ctuchik]

Who gives a fuck if it upsets a bunch of cave dwellers, they need to get some perspective tbfh.

they probably do, but why mock them when it so clearly offends them?

ppl only do this shit because its pretty much safe to do it. and they know it pisses them off, which makes it even more funny in their eyes.

all this "freedom of speech" crap has fuck all to do with WHY they keep doing them drawings...


/edit: all this shit has been lowered to a 5 year old's mentality ffs.

 

[Ctuchik]

its not illegal in any EU country (as far as i'm aware) to draw pictures of the prophet so how is it any different from drawing pictures of jesus or god in silly situations?

because we think differently. most of us don't find much of anything that offensive. (expect when it comes down to taking photographs wherever we want to it seems)

but imo you cant expect them to respect our views when we so clearly disrespect theirs.

 

[Ctuchik]

ah, the political correctness generation...

One day, when shit hits the fan, are you still gonna preach your tolerance choirsongs?
or is this some sort of "white guilt" for the years of Imperialism ?

no, at least for me its about wanting to be treated the same way as i treat others...

 

[aika]

no, at least for me its about wanting to be treated the same way as i treat others...

too bad its only one sided though

 

[Raven]

they probably do, but why mock them when it so clearly offends them?

ppl only do this shit because its pretty much safe to do it. and they know it pisses them off, which makes it even more funny in their eyes.

all this "freedom of speech" crap has fuck all to do with WHY they keep doing them drawings...


/edit: all this shit has been lowered to a 5 year old's mentality ffs.

erm. They are jokes, and not really that offensive really, not offensive to any sane person anyway. Is it the joke makers fault that they are so blinded by hate that they will take offence at anything?

Torturing people for trying to live free lives offends me. Punishing rape victims for getting raped offends me but they still refuse to stop. why should people making harmless jokes stop?

Perspective.

 

[megadave]

i thought people were doing it to rebel against the ridiculous reaction from the people who send death threats

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, before the thread moves away from the subject too much, i'll just throw in a final statement;

I feel it's a pointless poke at a beehive, when the whole issue ought have died a long time ago. Both sides need to take a moment to look at actions, perhaps some tolerance from one side and less provocation from the other. There is no danger of muslims taking western civilization over, should stop acting with such paranoia and when talking about ways of life, laws of equality state that by judging them, they can judge us too.

NS

 

[Jarahl]

I partly agree with Seel, he has some valid points.

I served in Iraq when the Danish media printed those pictures, and let me tell you this, if Iraq was a shithole before that, it became the fucking New York of shitholes after that.

People need to think big picture, would this cause more harm than good?

 

[Chronictank]

erm. They are jokes, and not really that offensive really, not offensive to any sane person anyway. Is it the joke makers fault that they are so blinded by hate that they will take offence at anything?

Most sane people wouldn't make the joke in the first place as they KNOW it is likely to extremly annoy the others in question, ESPECIALLY when there is a more tasteful way of going about it.
It is not their fault the people making (and supporting) them are so blinded by their own arrogance and/or stupidity they can't see the other side of the fence.

You wouldnt publish a joke about the holocaust on memorial day would you...

Torturing people for trying to live free lives offends me. Punishing rape victims for getting raped offends me but they still refuse to stop. why should people making harmless jokes stop?

Perspective.

Holy generalizations batman, i'm not even going to bother tbh

 

[Raven]

You wouldnt publish a joke about the holocaust on memorial day would you...

Yes because jokes about the murder, torture and oppression of millions of people is the same as a picture of some guy in a funny hat! Jesus wept.

May I suggest you read up a bit on the fairness of Sharia law before passing further comment. While I am sure you are happy in your bubble stuff does happen that is far more offensive than a stupid picture.

The first couple of google finds.

I have a right to | BBC World Service

Sharia law | World news | guardian.co.uk

We come back to this little word, perspective. Get some.

 

[Raven]

Oh and not related at all but funny none the less.

http://www.islamic-sharia.org/

In the list of worship, I think there is something wrong with option number 5.

 

[Ormorof]

a picture says a thousand words?

personally the idea of a "Draw mohammed day" is frankly stupid, it would be like having a "laugh at holocaust day" its unneccesary and distateful, but the whole point of the original cartoons was to show how absurd the death threats against this sort of thing is (theres a great cartoon that was published shortly after the controversy which went something like this, angry man 1 "how dare they publish cartoons that show islam as a violent angry religion!!?!" angry man 2 "i agree lets kill them all and threaten to blow them up!!" - which is exactly the reaction the cartoons got, not from ALL muslims, but from the people they were making from of, who obviously didnt get the joke)

 

[ECA]

personally the idea of a "Draw mohammed day" is frankly stupid, it would be like having a "laugh at holocaust day" its unneccesary and distateful

Wait what.

You're comparing a drawing of mohammed with the death of 15 million people.


What.







Sorry what?

 

[Access Denied]

If people want to believe in any given God, good for them. I sometimes think the peace of mind that sort of faith brings would be nice but I'm too pragmatic for that. I had a discussion similar to this at work the other week and my answer is and always will be thus:

I have no problem with the concept God, Allah, Jehova etc. I just don't like religion. I'm reminded of the movie Dogma where Chris Rock' character said it's wrong to take a good idea and build a religion around it.

Lets take a look at the two main religions involved here. Islam, as far as my understanding goes the very word means peace. Yet you have the hardline extremists who go about plotting to kill people and wage a "Holy war" on non-believers. Then you have Christianity whose most famous comandment is "Thou shalt not kill" and what happened in the Crusades? The Pope decided the existence of the heathen Muslims was an affront to his God and told the soldiers, "Go there, kill them all and I'll give you a pre-emptive forgiveness so your souls remain clean of mortal sin"

An over-simplification but you get the idea. Now as to the topic of this discussion, as far I'm concerened the picture was drawn to provoke a response. No doubt about that. However there's more to it. It was also drawn as an act of defiance. A pictorial "We're not scared of you, no matter how much you threaten to kill us". I'll admit I didn't follow the story very closely since I wasn't all that interested but I'd like to know how the majority of so called moderate Muslims felt about it.

 

[Hawkwind]

Islam
Guys guys...
think about it!
why would you as a guy oppose it ?

I regualary suggest ti to the missus..but thus far, she isnt biting :/

My Mrs has been trying to get me to go to church for 15+ years. Every damned Christmas it's the same, "oh please come, it would mean so much to me and Alex".

Can't go once a year. Be fucked if i'm going 5 times a day!

 

[Olgaline]

But but...!

and no one need know, as soon as they leave the house

 

[soze]

To the people who think this is ok do you think it would be ok to draw a picture that depicts all black people as monkeys or all gays as aids sufferers? Muslims obviously do take their religion more seriously than most and you know drawing this pushes their buttons so why do this just to rattle their cage? Bit like a lion tamer being surprised when they get attacked.