Dragonfang and similar High Duration Stun styles

[Jupitus]

Because the PA, CD SS chain is probably still the best damage dealer, and comes out of stealth... follow that up with an evade DF DF DF DF combo = 1 very dead Solid

 

[klavrynd]

WTF do heros get evade, they have trainable parry and block?!

so do warriors

Minstrel gets evade 2, a 10% chance to evade and untrainable shield, a 5% chance to block, you can hardly say our defense is overpowered.

chain armour anyone?

armour is something you have, abilities is something you rely on.

usually evade is given to make up for the inability to use better armour...

Really klav this has got to be your most illinformed and pointlessly bigoted nerf minstrels post yet.

as if it matters on these boards anyhow. it doesn't even help on the pseudo-official whine-vn-boards, let aside the "inferior" eu-boards" (english-only which is a minority)

With midgard getting the shaft RA-wise it seems the pvp server might just pop in at the right time, or maybe just too late.

 

[Danya]

BTW, have you ever seen just how much someone with evade 2 actually evades in RvR? I'll tell you it's not a bloody lot. If you look at most classes with non-chain armour they all have a lot more evade than 2, to make up for the weaker armour. Why not moan about frairs, they get evade 5 and a 15% absorb buff putting them at 25% absorb (2% short of chain).
Minstrels have already been nerfed so hard 80% in the US have quit, they hardly need more nerfs.

 

[klavrynd]

ah well, entire albion is ovepowered anyhow

 

[Solid]

oi Klav I coined the term "WhineGN" and trademarked it, you use it, you can pay me royalties----IN KIND <Solid rubs his hands in anxious delight>

 

[old.Revz]

Originally posted by klavrynd
ah well, entire albion is ovepowered anyhow

 

[old.Bubble]

best i've seen is a lvl 50 warrior kill my lvl 50 paladin with him lvl 50 shield style

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by klavrynd
ah well, entire albion is ovepowered anyhow

If you keep that up Klav we will send round our overpowered cabalists and paladins to trash Midgard!

 

[Meatballs]

Whats more effective though? Dragonfang followed by hamstring-leaper then hamstring-leaper-rib sep or Dragonfang repeated...

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by klavrynd

chain armour anyone?

armour is something you have, abilities is something you rely on.

usually evade is given to make up for the inability to use better armour...

minstrels as rogues are on a lower hp table than arsemen/clerics etc which is one of the reasons they have it

 

[old.Jadow]

Dragonfang is repeatable. However it's best use is when fighting more than one opponent. It's slightly overpowered but gets nerfed a bit next patch.

Nuff said.

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator
Saracen Gryphon Knight
Servants of The Lake

 

[old.Krusha]

Originally posted by klavrynd


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WTF do heros get evade, they have trainable parry and block?!
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so do warriors

Evade1 yes.. i think ive evaded vs green/grey .. and once in a green moon vs even con

 

[Derric]

Dragonfang doesn't make you look better though Jadow..you're still ugly

 

[lakarell]

Thing about all this combo malarky .... You get your full PA chain on someone the fights not gonna last more then a few more hits which you can get during your CD stun.
So basically, I stick to PA chain and a few hits or ....... D.fang and melee them down.

 

[Svartur]

Originally posted by Dannyn
BTW, have you ever seen just how much someone with evade 2 actually evades in RvR? I'll tell you it's not a bloody lot. If you look at most classes with non-chain armour they all have a lot more evade than 2, to make up for the weaker armour.

Hunters have Evade I how fun is that and we have studded armour not chain.
We probably have the worst defensive abilities in the game.
Evade I is our ONLY defense.

Rumour has it we have Evade I cause in early beta Hunters had chain but then they forgot to compensate for it. At least we get Evade II soon but IMO no rouge should have equal or less Evade as a plate/chain/scale user. And also no rouge should have chain either, then it is not a rouge class IMO.

 

[Danya]

*Shrug*, I'd be fine with studded and evade 4 for minstrels, but that's not how mythic did it.

 

[Solid]

Argument saying Minstrels get chain because they are on rogue hp table compared to Armsmans/Paladins Fighter table is nonsense.

Thanes and Skalds are on Rogue hp table, aka more than likely the same as Minstrels, only reason we may have more hp is because of level based con increases and a lot of our items geared to cap Con easily.

Hybrid Fighters

Skalds - Rogue hp table, evade 1, no shield spec (can block), parry spec, chain armour- VIKING CLASS HYBRID - cannot spec thrust - 1.5x Spec

Thanes - Rogue hp table, evade ZERO, speccable shield/parry, chain armour - VIKING CLASS HYBRID - cannot spec thrust - 2.0x Spec

Rogues

Minstrels - Rogue hp table, Evade 2, no shield spec (can block), chain amrour - ROGUE CLASS HYBRID - can spec thrust - 1.5x Spec

Hunter - Rogue hp table, evade 2 (in patch), no shield, no parry, Studded armour - ROGUE CLASS - can spec thrust - 2.0x Spec

Scout - Rogue hp table, evade 3, Shield spec, , Studded armour - ROGUE CLASS - can spec thrust - 2.0x Spec

This is JUST an observation, make of it what you will. What I make of it is Minstrels needed rebalancing, they got it, lets hope they dont get any more nerfed. Scouts are very very strong on US atm whereas Hunters are very very gimped. Skalds are doing great and considered well balanced, Thanes are very very gimped.

 

[Danya]

The main one there I can see is hunters needing a bit more defense. But the point with both hunters and thanes is, you gave up some of you defense for improved offense (spears and all those magical enhancements). All the classes are not meant to have equal defense you know, some are more oriented to it while others are more oriented to dealing damage. Hell I wouldn't say no to having the thane damage buff!
Also I don't see minstrel as needing rebalancing, we have less defense than skalds and they have more offense to boot!

 

[old.tuppe]

yep, works even whit bers huge stun
evade ->comeback->frosty gace->stun->comeback->comeback->stun off->frosty gace.
not sure about if get that last frosty gaze?
but comeback work nicely and do ok damage.

usually use comeback and s-blind backup, sometimes go ravager etc etc 3style chain, it depends.

 

[Solid]

The main point, in bold, was the hp tables

Note Midgards 2 most popular Viking classes are on rogue hp table. One was given Shield spec and meant to be a defensive character, it just doesnt fit in my eyes.

Skald gets a damage add, parry and better damage table where Minstrels get Stealth, Charm and Evade 2. Both on same armour, both on same hp table

These 2 classes are very closely pitted together and as is seen on US, they are both doing well, I did mentioned Minstrels dont need anymore rebalancing. Just the hp tables piss me off royally.

Hunters got really jipped by Mythic, they need same evade as Hunters as its their only defence.

As a defensive tank Thanes suck, just as Coren, he eats us for breakfast most days which I attribute to our poor hp, nothing else.

I would say bump Thanes onto a Healer hp table, leave skalds and minstrels as they are, give Hunters evade 3. Nothing too drastic imo

 

[old.tuppe]

Originally posted by Dannyn
The main one there I can see is hunters needing a bit more defense. But the point with both hunters and thanes is, you gave up some of you defense for improved offense (spears and all those magical enhancements). All the classes are not meant to have equal defense you know, some are more oriented to it while others are more oriented to dealing damage. Hell I wouldn't say no to having the thane damage buff!
Also I don't see minstrel as needing rebalancing, we have less defense than skalds and they have more offense to boot!

well well, middie hunter do less damage whit bow what alb/hibs hunter.
middie hunter loose melee to alb/hib hunter.
so they do less damage, what they get for this?
stealth, well.

pet
this is just for fun and where you find pet to charm in hib/alb frontier? and its nice to have pet following when are stealth, or staying other side zone, waiting command.

melee.
spears are nice weapon, do ok damage because are slow, but too slow? same time defense is poor and its really poor.

bow
middies hunter can shoot fast-> less damage, if read and heard correct in midgard isn´t slow bows? or slow when compare alb/hibs

spell
short speed buff, what interupt even you yell to hunter when he try run away.

these are just my opinions and hunter need some boost for offense or defense, and badly!

 

[Danya]

Spears are most definitely a lot more damaging than scout/ranger swords. They give up defense for the ability to hit hard in melee. At least that's the theory. As it stands with scouts getting shield stun, they are somewhat ahead of both rangers and hunters for melee, hence mythic do need to tweak the hunter up a bit I think.

I wouldn't say thane was meant to be a purely defensive character, the warrior is that. Thanes get multiple offensive magical attacks plus a hefty damage buff, they're mean to be less defense than a warrior but not quite as all out offense as a berzerker. You'll note that paladins are meant to be very defensive and they don't get evade despite not having anything like the HP of armsmen.

 

[Solid]

I have mentioned before my wish is for thanes to e offensive caster/melee hybrids predominantly using 2H weapons, I dont like the ethos of thanes with shields.

I would be happy to drop 0.5 spec points, lose shield spec, get a tweaked up stormcalling line and better AE damage, then I can be considered a melee/caster hybrid.

atm I am a pooooor caster, and a pooooor tank. I have 50% melee, 20% Caster and 30% missing, common view of most thanes

anyway this thread has been taken waaaaaaaaay of topic, it started out all about Dragonfang

Guess mostly me and Dannyn to blame

 

[Danya]

I'd gladly drop stealth and get parry and get tweaked up melee damage... hmm that'd make me a skald though.

 

[- Pathfinder -]

I find it interesting to find that level 50s don't know how styles work

P.S. NERF Solid's sig

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by Solid
I have mentioned before my wish is for thanes to e offensive caster/melee hybrids predominantly using 2H weapons, I dont like the ethos of thanes with shields.

I would be happy to drop 0.5 spec points, lose shield spec, get a tweaked up stormcalling line and better AE damage, then I can be considered a melee/caster hybrid.

atm I am a pooooor caster, and a pooooor tank. I have 50% melee, 20% Caster and 30% missing, common view of most thanes

anyway this thread has been taken waaaaaaaaay of topic, it started out all about Dragonfang

Guess mostly me and Dannyn to blame

Hehehehe Solid dreams of being a Smite Warrior

 

[Solid]

Yeeeeeeeah, I like that Tribb, can I steal it for my sig?

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by Solid
Yeeeeeeeah, I like that Tribb, can I steal it for my sig?

Yeah go ahead... only out of context it doesnt make much sense

Smite Warrior... hmm maybe even Smite Hero-in-a-Can will potential 3K HP

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by Jupitus
... the info is all on BW actually Solid - still in training, but spec will include 50 thrust, and now dodger too (though I have high evade as it is).... dolls? pfft! I was sitting inside your relic keep before you were out of nappies

Am i the only one that finds it mindly amusing that "Lord Jupitus" is always blabbing away on these boards, but when it comes to show, he only have 24k RP? Infact i dont think i've ever seen a death message from him.

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Hmmm has anyone ever seen a death message from me ? Im deadly, i warn ya... you see me you dont draw your weapons and sit down facing me....then take all your armor off

Now those of my death dont count

Signed : gimp who is far away from RR2