Dragon Raid - Sunday 04/05/03

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by villageidiot
just not physically possible,
well maybe with your manhood, but for the rest of us.......

and if its same as your raid theyt should alrdy know


or create a cg, say it to em all at once.

there a many solutions just use your noggin

I think Wildfire's solution was to invite specific guilds, post on BW, get it stickied and then use word of mouth in-game to make sure it got read by all relevant guilds!
Tbh I don't see what your problem is. Organise your own fucking raid and don't invite FC, if it will soothe your pathetic little ego. And spare us the nob jokes

 

[Tilda]

its the same as aussie did but did you bitch and whine when? nope.

get a grip.

 

[Yussef]

Strong hate

 

[Tigerius]

Is anyone trying to claim they camped the Dragon first and have rights to it?
Is anyone trying to limit anyone elses ability/right to attempt to kill the Dragon in any other way then expecting them to not raid on the same date?
Nope. You have every chance in the world to raid the Dragon yourself on any other date then WFs, and we know this isn't about the date.

When a succesful raid is made, 50 stones are put into the game. None are taken away. When a succesful whine is made, 0 stones are put into the game. There is no loss whatsoever from a Dragon being killed by a "secluded" force other then the delay until the Dragon spawns next. I hope I'm in no way unclear about the fact that anyone who leads a succesful raid is contributing to bringing more stones into the game, regardless of who gets to participate, and thus benefits Albion.

Stones as such are a resource to all of Albion, and if someone was trying to limit your chances to raid him that'd be unfair but noone is, they're merely preserving their own rights to do so without "leechers" if you like. Hardly unfair?

Personally it's my belief that while free for all raids may be the only option at times, it's not very benefitial if not even contraproductive for the realm because the general chaos, long delays and many times unfair assignment of loot discourages further attempts, whereas a smooth and effective attempt as held by Aussie creates further interest as is only obvious by reading these boards.

My guess is, you're too lazy to do something about this yourself and take it as your god given right to get easy loot by showing up, crossing 1 zone and sticking a mob.

Finally, the fact that you insist on arguing with rules made is probably why you wouldn't be wanted there in the first place.

 

[primo]

No, I think its more related to who gets to come and who doesn't, many people dont like the elitist thinking that some people have here.

 

[skile]

Originally posted by Tilda
its the same as aussie did but did you bitch and whine when? nope.

get a grip.

I did.

 

[Amo]

Well, kinda agree with some of the comments here...

My only gripe would be that you have given an impression of "we're great - you're shit". I understand about only wanting certain guilds to join etc, but doesn't ANY of those mentioned guilds have any forums? Then you could have simply posted on THOSE forums about the raid, and simply put a LINK here to those forums for the guilds inolved - just would have been a bit nicer for the peeps who do get easily pissed off at being brushed aside in favour of the so called "l33ter" guilds.

Just my 2 penneth worth

At the end of the day though, to those people who are moaning and bitching etc - it's his raid, he can do what the fuck he likes!

Maybe someone could organise a Dragon Raid on a "first come - first served" basis and once you have (x) guilds or (x) groups they close it. Don't just sit and bitch because you've been left out - I suppose ALL of the people here moaning have PM'd some of the guilds involved and asked NICELY if they could tag along? Surey you MUST have?.... haven't you?

'swhat I thought

Anyway, give him one from me - maybe I'll get in on a raid sometime.

Cheers all



#edit: bad spelling, me being a tired illiterate wanker lol

 

[old.Wildfire]

"My only gripe would be that you have given an impression of "we're great - you're shit"." - No-one has said that anywhere. The psychological term for this is an inferiority complex.

I look forward to seeing the results of some Chaos Theory-led dragon raids in future then, hmm?

[edit] Barrysworld is used in this case and will be used in future because it's a central hub for the players on excalibur. I'm amazed at the capacity of some people on here to whine just because there's a sticky thread that doesn't affect them. It's one thread people, for crying out loud. Look at the guild list again, look at the size of some of the guilds - I'm dealing with hundreds of people that are invited to attend. BW reaches those people far better than scurrying around registering on dozens of different forums (most of which people dont read as often as they do BW) trying to contact everyone individually.

"Maybe someone could organise a Dragon Raid on a "first come - first served" basis" - GO ON THEN [/edit]

 

[Aule Valar]

Originally posted by skile
I like the fact that loxleyhood and ocond performed the raid, it's a lot much work but respec-stones should be available for the whole of albion.

they are available to anyone who bothers to organise a raid

 

[Amo]

"Maybe someone could organise a Dragon Raid on a "first come - first served" basis" - GO ON THEN [/edit] [/B]

Relax Wildfire... I was simply making observations mate. If you read the fucking post I do defend your right to do whatever you like with the raid and post where you like about it. I was simply trying to shed light on why some people we're miffed at the post.

People bite so easily in this place - too much testosterone and not enough brain cells me thinks.

 

[greenfingers]

Originally posted by Jiggs
dragon fire

nice, Brommix screaming like a baby
how cute


nice one

 

[wildpt]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
"My only gripe would be that you have given an impression of "we're great - you're shit"." - No-one has said that anywhere. The psychological term for this is an inferiority complex.
[/edit] [/B]

Yep u r so uber im really jealous...when i grow up wanna be like u i even got wild in the name only need the fire...u rule!

I look forward to seeing the results of some Chaos Theory-led dragon raids in future then, hmm?

Didnt u know? we killed dragon twice we were 38 groups. Chaos theory work !

Barrysworld is used in this case and will be used in future because it's a central hub for the players on excalibur. I'm amazed at the capacity of some people on here to whine just because there's a sticky thread that doesn't affect them

Yes affect me, BW isnt a private forum for FC or other big guild, its a forum for all community, u cant just ask to be sticky cos moderator is from FC, Tilda is a nice person but this time was wrong... Close dragon raids CANT be sticky!


Oh well enough of this, perhaps i shouldnt say nothing at 1st but only did it cos im frustrated that big guilds wont work together with all for the respec stones, only think if we work together we could have more stones and fast and so improve albion.

Neverthless GL at your dragon raid!

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
its not like its a sidi raid or anything... tsk...

Ferus can get the numbers now matey

 

[old.Wildfire]

ty quin first useful post ive seen on this thread in ... a while

 

[old.Wildfire]

What I was referring to when I mentioned the inferiority complex was this; I post there's a dragon raid. Punter sees his name isn't on it. Punter goes to town claiming the post is derrogatory. Pretty clear inferiority complex there imo.

I have no idea what Wildpt is ranting about. Is Tilda also a member of Herfolge Boldklub, Black Falcons, Royal Bavarians, Dragon Knights, The Corporation, Shadowlords Society, The Dragon-Fighters, Guardians of Light, Legion of Darkness, and/or Ferus Legionis? If this post was titled "FAO: First Cohort - Summoner Raid" then you would have a point when you whinge about it being stickied. However, it's not, and you don't.

I'd wager that in the guilds listed above, you're looking at the majority of the active high level players of the realm as a whole. Do the maths.

 

[old.Ramas]

Hang on, from teh screen shot....
http://www.roguishness.com/daoc/uploads/Jiggs/dragon.jpg

Casting time: 2.0 sec

Meaning that, contrary to popular belief the dragon breath is not insta.

Which in turn means it's interruptable.

Which means that the only really important rule is that we keep meleeing him, and so long as at least one person hits it every 2 seconds it cannot aoe us.

Not that this changes the tactics at all, keeping everyone in melee range means, I suppose, that the dragon won't move around and so it's more likely to be hit once every requiste 2 seconds.

Or was this already the reason we were staying in melee range and I just hadn't been keeping up?

 

[Karnage]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
Hang on, from teh screen shot....
http://www.roguishness.com/daoc/uploads/Jiggs/dragon.jpg

Which in turn means it's interruptable.

And its level compared to ours means what % chance of us interrupting it with our hits?

 

[greenfingers]

I´ll try to be there if U need me!

 

[villageidiot]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
What I was referring to when I mentioned the inferiority complex was this; I post there's a dragon raid. Punter sees his name isn't on it. Punter goes to town claiming the post is derrogatory. Pretty clear inferiority complex there imo.

invited or not, id still tell you to go fuck yourself

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
Hang on, from teh screen shot....
http://www.roguishness.com/daoc/uploads/Jiggs/dragon.jpg



Meaning that, contrary to popular belief the dragon breath is not insta.

Which in turn means it's interruptable.

Which means that the only really important rule is that we keep meleeing him, and so long as at least one person hits it every 2 seconds it cannot aoe us.

Not that this changes the tactics at all, keeping everyone in melee range means, I suppose, that the dragon won't move around and so it's more likely to be hit once every requiste 2 seconds.

Or was this already the reason we were staying in melee range and I just hadn't been keeping up?

Perhaps he has MOC up? Besides I can often cast when a lvl 30 is bashing me in a duel.

Chance of interrupting is level-difference dependant. And I bet we're very close to grey to the dragon

 

[old.Wildfire]

villageidiot...

:great: TWAT

...did i get the formatting right that time? (for the connoiseurs in the audience)

 

[old.LandShark]

Nah, it's like this:

Twat :great:


Plain and simple.

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by primo
No, I think its more related to who gets to come and who doesn't, many people dont like the elitist thinking that some people have here.

It isn't a question of elitism, it's a question of inviting guilds which are definitely not going to disobey orders or screw up, or arrive with 4members having told the leader to expect 2fg, or whatever. This in no way reflects or comments on un-invited guilds... the leader gets as many people as needed and invites no more. More = chaotic, less items for the same effort for all involved, and twice as likely to end up in flames about lottoing and l00tor.
Also, need I point out that a member of FC getting a respec stone benefits the realm more than a member of <Thidranki Terrorists> ?

 

[bob007]

Originally posted by Tilda
its the same as aussie did but did you bitch and whine when? nope.

get a grip.

Only good reply i seen so far. Hmm did i just defend FC


GL with raid, and as for inviting selected guilds. I would do the same tbh. Less of a problem when ppl are representing a guild and not themselves, Be surprised how that effects the way ppl play.

 

[primo]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
It isn't a question of elitism, it's a question of inviting guilds which are definitely not going to disobey orders or screw up, or arrive with 4members having told the leader to expect 2fg, or whatever. This in no way reflects or comments on un-invited guilds... the leader gets as many people as needed and invites no more. More = chaotic, less items for the same effort for all involved, and twice as likely to end up in flames about lottoing and l00tor.
Also, need I point out that a member of FC getting a respec stone benefits the realm more than a member of <Thidranki Terrorists> ?

Thing is, many people who aren't in any of the guilds that are on Wildfires list of guilds that are worth anything can still play the game and like to participate to. Maybe not all guilds can scramble together 2 FGs or even one FG but still would like to be part of a group of friends from other guilds.

Neither do I wanna guess if a FC member deserves a respec stone more than someone else, since not all FC members are the same. Some might benefit the realm some might not, just as loads of other guilds.

 

[old.shotgunstow]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
Nah, it's like this:

Twat :great:


Plain and simple.

Isn't that the second time you got it wrong WF?

Attention I need an int buff here, urgently!

 

[old.Wildfire]

 

[Belomar]

Re: ok

Originally posted by Mr Ironheart
Since i'm unguilded, i will never be able to enter such a event. Nor do Freelancers get a part of the loot.

Well, Ironheart, there are other dragon raids open to everyone where you can certainly join in and have a chance at getting a respec stone. Don't play the martyr.

 

[dunny_dunny]

Whine, Whine, fucking whine

All this whining gives me a headache. Can't we all get along, smoke some pot and make daisy chains?

IMOP, any peeps who wanna go to the raid...go for it, nobody is stopping you. I will certainly be there just to get a nice screeny of the big git, even if i'm not invited




Dunny <Hellsing Corporation> lvl 45.5 paladin-Excal
Cadamos <Nosferatu Reges> lvl 23 friar-Excal
Sarinsin <Nosferatu Reges> lvl 15 scout-Excal

 

[old.Ramas]

I always preferred...

twat :great:

Don't waste a perfectly good capital letter on it.