Down with Prices on scrolls (discuss)

[Werewolf]

Oke this is just my thought off helping ppl imo well we are not growing in numbers each day that passes we kinda looseing ppl,and well imo our CM prices are totaly way to high its not that i need any perticular scroll atm but well and i would have cash incase id need to buy one even with theese prices but does this benefit our realm atm ? beeing selfish and greedy ? ofc ye i know someoens spent hours off getting the scrolls and wants payment for it ye i spent 6 days in typhoons reach farming for SoM scrolls when i needed em cause 25 p back in the days was too much for me

I just would want uss to think over a lil bit does it benefit our realm to have high cm prices ? does that insipre maybe new comers to realm to play ?

discuss plz

 

[svartalf]

Good luck with this one

 

[Elendar]

lower scroll prices = people have less money because they get less from selling scrolls = scrolls just as hard to buy

also low prices means no point farming them to sell, so less people will farm em
(not that i do, i buy mine)

 

[Bone's]

would like to agree with you, but cant see it happening, oh well, will just have to buy what i need of i cant be arsed to farm scroll's, over 100 plat spent on scrolls and arti's can i get a partial refund

 

[GReaper]

Sorry, I'm a smelly Alb invading this thread.

In an ideal realm prices would be nice and low so that people who genuinely needed the scrolls would be able to afford them. However it isn't an ideal realm, if you put some 10p scroll down for 100g - chances are someone will buy it and sell it on at the proper price.

Look at the advantage of high prices - it forces people to consider if the rare scroll is really worth it or not. If some newcomer genuinely wanted that scroll then they could spend some time and effort into either farming for the scroll or farming the cash needed for it. I'm sure this is better than letting some noob buy the scroll for his alt which he'll never play.

 

[Iceflower]

>Look at the advantage of high prices - it forces people to consider if the rare scroll is really worth it or not.

No, it only shows that we have unreasonable high inflation in the realm which is a clear sign of an economy in problems.

>If some newcomer genuinely wanted that scroll then they could spend some time and effort into either farming for the scroll or farming the cash needed for it.

From an alb point of view I cant see why you want the mid community spend its time cash farming.

>I'm sure this is better than letting some noob buy the scroll for his alt which he'll never play.

So by your definition anyone that has more than one level 50 char they play is a noob? Congratulations you just insulted most mids here.

> if you put some 10p scroll down for 100g - chances are someone will buy it and sell it on at the proper price.

Aye there are market speculators in every economy which is good. I have played on them for a long time now, and it is very profitable. Pricing stuff around 30-40% below the current cm prices provides a very nice turnover on your goods which by far provides more gold than having the same "overpriced" items sitting in the cm week after week. If you start to monitor a few of those items for a few weeks you will notice what I mean. Just because an item has a high price on the cm does not imply that the market price is at that level.

 

[Falukropp]

Prices doesn't really matter. If prices are high on the server you play on, you can sell stuff expensive too. The amount of work you'll have to put into getting the cash to buy the stuff you need will be more or less constant no matter of item prices.

The only ppl that gains from really low prices are the ones that are too lazy to farm for stuff to sell, ppl that expects to get everything they need for the cash they happen to have at the moment.

 

[Azathrim]

It really is a matter of how the market is. If a scroll sells for 20p within a day of being put up on a CM - then there is a market.
If it's not sold soon, people usually drop the price if they need the money and eventually a reasonable price is found.

What you ask for is charity which in the long run won't work.

With the current population issues, you might expect the demand to drop (and thus the prices). However, there is also far less to farm and thus sell those scrolls - so I doubt that will influence much. Unless ofcourse people just go PvE in disgust of the RvR situation.

 

[Suedish]

I hope that werewulfs suggestion could be reality, but it never will be. Because of two things (same the "real worlds market").

Supply, and Demand.

 

[Cadelin]

People have to accept that to get the scrolls for an artifact you need to put some work in. If people were prepared to go out and farm scrolls the prices would drop, but in many cases its very hard to farm scrolls. I found a fairly "easy" way to get my scrolls. I have a class that can get into a Deep Volcanus farm group and for every days worth of farming there I would have a rare scroll that I could trade for one I wanted. The price of scrolls didn't really come into it. I just traded my mad tales 2/3 of 3 for whatever other scroll I needed. The relative price of scrolls is fine but you need to put a bit of effort in.

 

[arawem]

Its all a matter of demmand and offer.

Yesterday a friend asked me why i am running this weekly ml9 farming raids, if i have everything i need for my 3 chars here in midgard. The answer is because the more good drops we put in the market, the easy will be for every1 to get the best template for rvr. BUT this is a effor every1 must support, saying: hey, i want u to do the work for me and, then give everything very cheap, is not very nice for the ppl that spend hours farming. There must be some kind of profit for them 2

 

[Frust]

It all boils down to mid not having a good farming character.

My advice is that ppl check the current prices on CM and always try to match the prices.
I always check CM's and try to set a lower price then the ones avaliable. Though most ppl would rather wait 3 weeks and get 20 p for a scroll then sell it the same day for 5-10 p.

 

[Vilje]

Prices doesn't really matter. If prices are high on the server you play on, you can sell stuff expensive too. The amount of work you'll have to put into getting the cash to buy the stuff you need will be more or less constant no matter of item prices.

If the prices are high, you can sell things at a high price, aye thats true. Regular farming (DF etc) in order to buy scrolls however, will take longer than if the prices were low...Meaning if things cost less you'd have to spend less hours farming in ex. DF. Call me lazy, 10-15 plat for a scroll is a bit too much imho. Ex: Nailahs Diary 3/3, 12 plat. That price will take decent time in df...Ended up trading it with a scroll i had which is also rare, Loukas journal(?) 3/3.

If the prices were lower, people could get scrolls/items for less cash = less farming and more RvR That meaning one plat would be "worth" more. We'd have to increase the worth of a cash in the game ( on the server ) in general... Think about this: If you guys have 10 plat inventory now, would it matter if it said perhaps 5 instead, if u could get the same amount of scrolls/items as for 10 plat? We'd have to tune down prices on all scrolls/items for this to work however. ( No use spending more time farming than necessary imo )

Would be difficult to make this happen tho

Please correct me if im wrong in my speculations. This IS just speculations

PS! Thanks to Arawem for trying to make it happen

 

[Cadelin]

If the prices are high, you can sell things at a high price, aye thats true. Regular farming (DF etc) in order to buy scrolls however, will take longer than if the prices were low...Meaning if things cost less you'd have to spend less hours farming in ex. DF. Call me lazy, 10-15 plat for a scroll is a bit too much imho. Ex: Nailahs Diary 3/3, 12 plat. That price will take decent time in df...Ended up trading it with a scroll i had which is also rare, Loukas journal(?) 3/3.

The point I tried to make but did it very badly was along these lines. You need to do some farming to get scrolls. Think of scrolls like DF seals except they are alot harder to get but are worth a huge amount more. I would never go farm in DF, because I can go farm in Deep Volcanus and one nights decent farming in there will get me a 5+ plat scroll at least, normally much more.

No matter how nice the population of the server is, its a very simple fact that the deman far exceeds the supply. Apart from common scrolls which drop from convienent mobs, you should assume that you have to farm a rare scroll yourself. You then trade that rare scroll with somebody else. I have never had a problem getting the scroll I want when I offer mad tales 2/3 in exchange for it.

 

[Majsan]

Oke this is just my thought off helping ppl imo well we are not growing in numbers each day that passes we kinda looseing ppl,and well imo our CM prices are totaly way to high its not that i need any perticular scroll atm but well and i would have cash incase id need to buy one even with theese prices but does this benefit our realm atm ? beeing selfish and greedy ? ofc ye i know someoens spent hours off getting the scrolls and wants payment for it ye i spent 6 days in typhoons reach farming for SoM scrolls when i needed em cause 25 p back in the days was too much for me

I just would want uss to think over a lil bit does it benefit our realm to have high cm prices ? does that insipre maybe new comers to realm to play ?

discuss plz

Hehe, a few times i bought all mad tales 3 on cm and sold em more expensive, good cash

 

[Ilum]

It all boils down to mid not having a good farming character.

My advice is that ppl check the current prices on CM and always try to match the prices.
I always check CM's and try to set a lower price then the ones avaliable. Though most ppl would rather wait 3 weeks and get 20 p for a scroll then sell it the same day for 5-10 p.

I don't think this is the reason. Most people in Alb/Hib farm their scrolls with some tank or caster that Mid has the equivalent of - necros and animists impact on scrollfarming is less than most mids would claim I'm sure

When it comes to scroll prices, it is best when the price of the scroll reflect the effort it takes to get it. Some scrolls will be cheap because they drop from commonly hunted mobs (that are farmed for other reasons like that scroll in particular). The scrolls that dont fall under this category will usually only be dropped when people actively go out to get them.

If you sell scrolls at charity prices, chances are high that someone will buy them just to sell it higher, or to have it lying around in vault "just in case", or to use it on a character they really don't care about enough to spend the actual value of the scroll or the time it would take to farm. This of course isn't in everybodys best interest - it would be better if you sold the scroll for its actual value, and a person who had a genuine interest in it would buy it.

At the end of the day complaining about scroll prices doesnt seem like a sound idea to me. After all if you think scrolls are too expensive, you can just farm them yourself.

 

[Gnor]

GoA/Mythic should make scrolls only usable by the person/persons that farmed them ...problem solved ...imo ofc . I`m not saying i never paid for a scroll but i tend to farm the harder (stupidly over priced ) of the 3 and go buy the other 2 cheaper ones .

 

[Capella]

Ahha, go farm dem scrolls with pac healer for example. And these days in our realm grouping is privelege of some nice guilds only. On other hand scrolls r only way to collect some money to buy expensive art etc. So scroll prices r just reflection of all market prices.

 

[Animus]

GoA/Mythic should make scrolls only usable by the person/persons that farmed them ...problem solved ...imo ofc . I`m not saying i never paid for a scroll but i tend to farm the harder (stupidly over priced ) of the 3 and go buy the other 2 cheaper ones .

Yeah that random dude with just a skald or shaman will be so well off then

 

[Ilum]

GoA/Mythic should make scrolls only usable by the person/persons that farmed them ...problem solved ...imo ofc . I`m not saying i never paid for a scroll but i tend to farm the harder (stupidly over priced ) of the 3 and go buy the other 2 cheaper ones .

Prices on other stuff would probably rise Don't forget, those who pay the bucks for the scrolls get them from somewhere as well. Personally I have farmed maybe a total of 10 hours for scrolls - instead I do artifacts and sell them and stuff to raise cash. I buy basically all my scrolls :]

Certain artifacts on Hib / Avalon would be 3 times as expensive if it weren't for me

 

[Gnor]

If your solo ...find a grp, use /as and ask if anyone would like to join you or get a guild farm/scroll hunt going . If your guild aint interested in helping ...join another guild that is .
Hmm ..sorry ..but the easy answer to this then is >>> DONT MOAN ABOUT SCROLL PRICES !!!
No matter what is said or asked of on this subject , scroll prices will always remain the same ... easy drops = cheap ..rare drops = extortionate .

Personally i would love to see scroll prices drop ..maybe that way more ppl will have the arti`s they need to help them out more in RvR ..hence helping our realm get some Relics back .