Down Syndrome

[Huntingtons]

im pretty sure bahus girlfriend has down syndrome on my dick


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iceforge do you know what freaks you out about them?

 

[Himse]

There was a downs syndrome boy in my old school, he needed special needs.

But someone tried to bully him, and then hit him.


Lets to say it took 2 teachers and 2 students to get him off the kid to stop him from strangling him.

 

[Bahumat]

im pretty sure bahus girlfriend has down syndrome on my dick


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iceforge do you know what freaks you out about them?

im single...so that she-male with mouth warts has not only tricked you, but they'll make your cock look like chorizo

 

[Ezteq]

some people get freaked out by old people in the same way, its really wierd lol i mean some old people can be damn scarey but the way i see it is i can generally outrun them so im alright!


talkign about the sickle cell thing my boss was saying about her brothers fiancee is greek and aparantly greek girls (dont know if its just them or any other med gals) get this illness which causes them to have to have regular blood tranfusions etc and its quite common but not spoken of, anyone know about this?

 

[Bahumat]

Im greek cypriot and have never heard of this.

 

[tris-]

Im greek cypriot and have never heard of this.

thats the best kind of greek, and also better than a turkish cypriot!

 

[Bahumat]

thats the best kind of greek, and also better than a turkish cypriot!

lol the new guy at our work is turkish cypriot.

 

[tris-]

lol the new guy at our work is turkish cypriot.

tell him to fo out of northern cyprus.

 

[Ezteq]

lol the new guy at our work is turkish cypriot.

ooh declare rubber band trans desk warfare!!

 

[kirennia]

I'm still of the belief that downs syndrome and autism signal a missed step in evolution forward from where we are now...

Autism inherits some extremely positive traits but sadly, the more positives, the more negatives which come with them. Autism just seems like an attempted evolution of the human mind which has just missed the step which is supposed to build our minds up first in order to deal with it. Much the same is downs syndrome which, although it does have pretty obvious side effects, as someone said earlier in the thread, downs syndrome sufferers are less prone to diseases such as cancer. Maybe it's an attempt at evolution but again, it's just missed the genetic step required at birth to be able to cope with it.

It might sound harsh but this is why I think there is a lot to learn from those with both of those types of afflictions.

 

[Ezteq]

ive known people who worked with or had autistic kids and you couldnt pay me enough to work with them, the poor sods have something going on in their heads they cant cope with and man when they decide to go off on one they can really do damage and the thing is theres no reasoning with them, one woman i knew got her arm fractured by her son and a girl i knew who worked with them got her throat bitten and scissors aimed at her.

it seems a million miles away from down's who are gentle and pretty calm people.

 

[kirennia]

ive known people who worked with or had autistic kids and you couldnt pay me enough to work with them, the poor sods have something going on in their heads they cant cope with and man when they decide to go off on one they can really do damage and the thing is theres no reasoning with them, one woman i knew got her arm fractured by her son and a girl i knew who worked with them got her throat bitten and scissors aimed at her.

it seems a million miles away from down's who are gentle and pretty calm people.

I didn't mean they were similar, just that both seem to have their benefits with pitfalls. I.e. downs sufferers having a stronger immune system despite their obvious negative points and autistic people generally having minds which far far surpass our own in some aspects and are nigh on dead in other aspects. You list their bad points but... well, did anyonelse see the program about the guy who learnt an entire language in one week complete with accents too enough to fool people into beleiving he actually spoke it as his mother tongue... not long after reciting 'pi' to 24,000 decimal places. Sadly it comes with its downfalls, hence the comment about it being an evolutionary step with something missing in between.

 

[Sparx]

according to the god of all Derren Brown, we all have the ability in us, we just dont know how to tap into it

The memory stuff i mean

 

[Ezteq]

i saw something on savantism and that was amazing, i see what you mean about the trade off thing though tbh i'd take being mediocre at everything over being autistic and brilliant at one thing.

 

[Iceforge]

im pretty sure bahus girlfriend has down syndrome on my dick


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iceforge do you know what freaks you out about them?

Not quite sure, I just find their behaviour to be very unpredictable/strange, feeling very much in danger constantly when around people like that, feeling quite sure that they can explode into violent rage any moment without any warning.

Ofc, those placed in homes (which are those I've meet most of all) are very hard cases of Down's Syndrome, making them a lot different from those you can encounter while riding the bus or going to a café, I guess.
Once I was working as a pizza delivery guy and had to deliver a group of pizza's (like 2 to 4) to the personel at one of those homes. Had to walk through some of their outside area + from 1 end to the other of a building. Ended up having a pack of 10-15 patients following me and the pizza's; Felt a lot like a pack of wolves following prey to me and made me very uneasy, fortunately I found someone to take the pizza's and them following me was no longer a problem, except one at my bike who continued to ask if I didn't have an extra free pizza for him.

It is probarly totally irrational of me to feel that way when around them, but I just do and it ain't very nice, so I prefer just to stay as far as away from them as possible.

EDIT: Also, they are often freakishly strong, like Himse pointed out:

There was a downs syndrome boy in my old school, he needed special needs.

But someone tried to bully him, and then hit him.


Lets to say it took 2 teachers and 2 students to get him off the kid to stop him from strangling him.

 

[Iceforge]

I'm still of the belief that downs syndrome and autism signal a missed step in evolution forward from where we are now...

Autism inherits some extremely positive traits but sadly, the more positives, the more negatives which come with them. Autism just seems like an attempted evolution of the human mind which has just missed the step which is supposed to build our minds up first in order to deal with it. Much the same is downs syndrome which, although it does have pretty obvious side effects, as someone said earlier in the thread, downs syndrome sufferers are less prone to diseases such as cancer. Maybe it's an attempt at evolution but again, it's just missed the genetic step required at birth to be able to cope with it.

It might sound harsh but this is why I think there is a lot to learn from those with both of those types of afflictions.

Down's Syndrome might be a missed step in evolution, a gene that is not activated correctly at birth, but Autism, seeing how it, in some cases, grants both positive and negative effects to the one influenced by it, might be more appropriately viewed as a fine tunement of Evolution gone wrong.
While a slight fine tuning, like someone a little less agile/physically strong, but with a faster/smarter brain would be an general advantage the more civilized and industrialized we become, someone with a non functioning body and the best brain in the world is of little worth in an Evolutionary term (as a non functioning body would mean no off-spring and early death in most cases)

They do say that some of the lighter cases of autism and aspergers syndrome are not ever discovered and those suffering it live their entire lives without realising they got that syndromes

 

[Huntingtons]

everything is a step of evolution... there is no forward only branches going to the sides.

 

[liloe]

everything is a step of evolution... there is no forward only branches going to the sides.

Or … it could just be a genetic disease (do you even call that disease then?) that sadly happens from time to time and that maybe one day we'll be able to cure.

Would you call a person born with 1 arm a "step forward in evolution"?

 

[kivik]

Would you call a person born with 1 arm a "step forward in evolution"?

He just said there was no 'forward' only branches going to the sides.

 

[Huntingtons]

anything genetic is mutation, evolution is mutation vice versa

 

[Iceforge]

Or … it could just be a genetic disease (do you even call that disease then?) that sadly happens from time to time and that maybe one day we'll be able to cure.

Would you call a person born with 1 arm a "step forward in evolution"?

That is 50% of Evolution.

Evolution (or Evolutionary Theory simplified) = Random mutations (being born with 1 arm is a brilliant example) + Natural Selection (i.e. chances to survive and reproduce)

Say that having 1 arm is a great advantage somehow, then slowly, but steadily, a higher and higher % of the human race would be born with 1 arm (1 armed people somehow being better able to survive until reproduction age and performing reproduction more times than others in this example)

There really is nothing more to it... Blue eyes/Brown Eyes/Green Eyes is also Evolution, so if your hair colour, height, feet size, everything characteriztic about you is evolutionary progress...

 

[Iceforge]

everything is a step of evolution... there is no forward only branches going to the sides.

Everything is moving forward.
You can't really say that it goes to the side nor that it is going forward straight ahead. To accurately depicture it, one should view it as going to a side and up. It is a development from the current race which might over time develop into their own race entirely.
That is why evolutionary progress is often depictured using a tree with branches, as they go UP and to the side, showing time passing and species developing into a variety of species.

 

[Ezteq]

ooh ooh ooh!

its like elephants!...dont look at me like that i have a valid point, now shush and listen!


right you kow about the poaching in africa for elephant tusks, well all the big tuskers are being wiped out which lets the tuskless or ones with little tusks get more of a shot with the ladies so their offspring are being born with small or no tusks and the number of tuskily challenged (gotta be PC) elephants in Africa is rising! so in order to prevent the species being wiped out it is now more desirable t be born with weeny or no tusks to ensure longer survival rate and more chance to breed!

Taa daa, see i told you i had a point...


now excuse me while i lay on the floor and clutch my tummy

too much chocolate

*rolls about*

 

[Iceforge]

ooh ooh ooh!

its like elephants!...dont look at me like that i have a valid point, now shush and listen!


right you kow about the poaching in africa for elephant tusks, well all the big tuskers are being wiped out which lets the tuskless or ones with little tusks get more of a shot with the ladies so their offspring are being born with small or no tusks and the number of tuskily challenged (gotta be PC) elephants in Africa is rising! so in order to prevent the species being wiped out it is now more desirable t be born with weeny or no tusks to ensure longer survival rate and more chance to breed!

Taa daa, see i told you i had a point...


now excuse me while i lay on the floor and clutch my tummy

too much chocolate

*rolls about*

Or just look at the different Elephants (indian and african) which has different ear shapes, different number of toes and many other differences, but are clearly related animals, a very easy way to show that Evolution does happen

But you example is like a text book example of evolution having happened recently... and didn't actually know that, but it is logical that it has gone that way.. ahh, the irnoy that those Ivory hunters now has ruined their own industri

 

[Huntingtons]

Everything is moving forward.
You can't really say that it goes to the side nor that it is going forward straight ahead. To accurately depicture it, one should view it as going to a side and up. It is a development from the current race which might over time develop into their own race entirely.
That is why evolutionary progress is often depictured using a tree with branches, as they go UP and to the side, showing time passing and species developing into a variety of species.

if we evolve into something that might seem superior there are chances that its not fit for a change in climate or geography or a 3rd factor and we die out. thats why its only to the sides. are you saying we are better of than bacteria?

 

[Iceforge]

if we evolve into something that might seem superior there are chances that its not fit for a change in climate or geography or a 3rd factor and we die out. thats why its only to the sides. are you saying we are better of than bacteria?

No, I am not saying that.
Where did I say that?

Are you claiming that bacteria has not evolved just as long as us and thus is not just as modern and thus will not be placed equally far "up" in the evolutionary chain when the up dimension symbolizes time as we are placed?

Everything that lives RIGHT NOW are modern results of evolution and are equally far up in the evolutionary tree. The tree below you is like a historical guide on as to how you ended up where you are currently.

EDIT: Which does mean that anything which evolves from a current modern lifeform will end up placed up higher in the tree of diversity of life (evolutionary tree) than the race it came from, if that race dies out. It is all possible that a species develop from humans without humans dying out, theoretically, but where do we put the limit between what we call and don't call human?
Just look at dogs; All kinds of dogs come from the same pack of wolves... thats right, not just from wolves, the same single pack of wolves breed into all modern species of DOGS from the Great Dane to the miniscule chichuachua(can't spell! That anoying type of dog that anoying pop-sluts, like Paris Hilton, have) all come from the same creature. Iirc it took 25.000 years from Wolf to all the various kinds.... but thats still really impressive...

EDIT 2: And that doesn't mean that wolves found in the wild are further down than dogs, as wild wolves has evolved over the 25.000 years ago as dog's have. We might not be able to notice they have evolved, because it might be more subtle changes, more slight fine-tuning instead of bign dramastic changes.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ok Iceforge, i see the point your making and i think, in some level i do agree with it, but i have to come into this thread and say this that might border what you said a bit.

If you believe that everything, right now, at this very moment is a produce of evolution, that evolution is exactly how it should be(from a pure evolution point of view) and that there's a reason why things have evolved as they have on this little blue planet of ours. Also, if you take into consideration all the logic, the research, the ways humanity has reached heights that are quite phenomenal while at the same time being really rather silly, then how in the f*cks name of all that is holy, unholy and slightly dented do you explain...Dori

 

[Raven]

There are subtle differences in people from different continents where we are ever so slightly different genetically. Evolution is a series of genetic changes which usually occurs due to the environment, the best adapted to the environment are more successful than those who aren't, be it ability to gather food or protect your offspring. The same could be said for appearance, best place to look is probably the bird world, the ones with the brightest plumage are the most attractive to the opposite sex so their genetic line has more chance of carrying on. The changes are usually very subtle where you could not tell the difference in one generation to another.
The Galapagos islands are a good example, where the animal life has evolved separately from the rest of the world. You will find many animals that share a common ancestor with other animals from other parts of the world but are completely different now. There are several theory's on why humans took the leap to be "intelligent" personally I think it was language that did it, along with being the most adaptable shape for the environment. If we could go forward a couple of million years I really wouldn't be surprised to see chimpanzees and dolphins being close to as intelligent as us, both have basic language and use tools they are also self aware, I mean they know they are a chimp or a dolphin and have real family/group structures where they work for the good of the group. The same can be said for other groups of animals but they are more a unit where they hunt for the good of the group but they don't mourn the loss of a member, the just replace them.

Down's and autism are different though, its an extra chromosome which does not necessarily carry onto the offspring and both can come from a "normal, healthy" couple. Though I am sure I read somewhere that the older the couple are the more chance there is of having offspring with Down's.

My wife works with several Down's syndrome kids and says they are some of the nicest kids she works with, though they can be more prone to fits of temper, i imagine thats down to frustration though.


*wall of text, sorry*

 

[Raven]

then how in the f*cks name of all that is holy, unholy and slightly dented do you explain...Dori

Thats not evolution on the genetic level but the social, I imagine he had a tough upbringing, probably a single child. Spoilt, shunned by his peers, a loner and is rather angry with his outlook on the world and now craves attention that he has been deprived of, what better place than the internets? It really wouldn't surprise me if he was caught stealing womens clothes from washing lines or caught beating himself off in the back garden of an old folks home. I doubt there is anything wrong with him genetically.

 

[Iceforge]

Ok Iceforge, i see the point your making and i think, in some level i do agree with it, but i have to come into this thread and say this that might border what you said a bit.

Yes...

If you believe...

Evolution is not a belief, it is a knowledge, but alright, I understand what you mean, but just need to point out evolution has nothing to do with belief unless you don't believe in it, which is just like saying you don't believe in gravity

..that everything, right now, at this very moment is a produce of evolution, that evolution is exactly how it should be(from a pure evolution point of view) ...

Evolution is as it is. Nothing about "how it should" or "how it should not be", it is like saying that gravity is "how it should be". Evolution is Evolution and gravity is gravity, it is not a adjustable object that has been produced, thus it just IS.

..and that there's a reason why things have evolved as they have on this little blue planet of ours.

No reason.
Never said that.
They did evolve the way they did... and thats all there is to it. Only reason there is for evolution is the breaking force of it: The need to adapt to survive.
But there ain't a specific reason for each small evolutionary step besides that. It is all results of various needs and features being favoured in the wild in order to survive.
You can, through, go back and find out an explaination for WHY a specific thing was naturally selected as an advantage, like the pigmented patch of skin which allowed the first living creatures to sense it if was in light or dark (day/night), which then was advantagous when placed in a skin-pocket/valley as you then had some directional feeling to the source of light, which was the even more advantagous when placed in a deeper skin-pocket, giving an even better sense of direction. A mutation adding flaps almost closing off the pigmented patch with a tiny opening made the directional feeling even better and thus more advantagous. a mutation with a primitive lens over the opening had a small sense of the speed of the light source, giving the creature blurry vision which was far superior than simple directional light-sensing, which then was favoured with better and more complex lenses, giving increasingly better sight, until you end up with an eye. Simple and easy without reason, just with a driving force, no goal, just a mechanism.

...Also, if you take into consideration all the logic, the research, the ways humanity has reached heights that are quite phenomenal while at the same time being really rather silly, then how in the f*cks name of all that is holy, unholy and slightly dented do you explain...Dori

Who said that every mutation is benifitial?
Evolution is RANDOM MUTATIONS and then natural selection makes sure that the strongest and best fit survive and reproduce.

Humans are the first and only being who has managed to construct a society that might start having the weakest genes become dominant, but thats an entirely different discussion.