don, grow up

[Icebreaker]

Don is Don,

And Who is ebayed in Vgn?

The Question is for me? I don't care who is ebayed or not. Just wanted to know who plays Don now because i know him for a long time now and i thought i was talking to Maril (Who had this Account for a while) the last weeks.

 

[Logann]

peeps breaking your mezz is not nice..It happened tonight with some random trebbing a bridge and breaking the mezz on a camping group we had engaged..but shit happens and I aint going to berate the guy on the treb.
What is disturbing me is this whole leeching thing..It seems to have become the new buzz word with people yell spamming STOP LEECHING. Now if this is coming from guys who are engaged in 1v1 or 8v8 fights thats fair enough..fully in agreement. But when its coming from some random engaged in muliple zerg combat at crau bridge then I have to chuckle

example 1

Soloer engages in a fight with 2 albs on 1 mid.. hibs arrive..mids arrive..massive fight breaks out and soloer continues to target and fight with said albs/mids until all dead..Then out goes the shout DONT LEECH

example 2

Albs camping crau bridge and group goes in and up and starts attcking group along with the other 50 million hibs/albs/mids in area. Bridge is cleared and out goes the yell spam STOP LEACHING

These yells are not from the better known playes but from random peeps

imo if you are going to participate in the zerging horseshit that is crau bridge atm then do you really expect guys to stand by and watch till you are dead before engaging.
I think that if you want to engage in 8v8 or 1v1 dont go crau bridge cos it aint gonna happen. These past 2 weeks I have yearned for a good fight without getting zerged from 3 different sides by other groups, and when this has happened and a hib group has engaged aswell, I for one am gratefull..leeching/adding or whatever you want to call it or not.

I would prefer a good 8v8 but it is rare at the moment and I can live with it and enjoy it when it does happen..win or loose.

So please lets all not jump on the STOP LEECHING band wagon..especially at crau bride..cos at the end of the day its a game

cheers

 

[RandomDotCom]

Tears:

I'd say the one adding is more selfish, since all he thinks and cares about is his own RPs and not the fact that the 2 opposing groups could actually be enjoying the fair fight without adds. If you see 2 stealthers fight when you are in a FG and you go kill them cause "it's your right to do so". You don't stop to think that they were actually having a good time fighting 1on1 and that you ruined it all. Then again maybe you want to ruin the gameplay for the opposing realms, what do i know. I for one likes it when people doesn't add on fair fights cause that's why i play this game.

Please, think before you write.
How are you to know if it is a fair fight or not? They are the same RR, same RA's, even the same armour, but it still wouldn't be a fair fight. Why? Because chances to evade/parry/block are random. The amount of damage you do is also random to a degree. Tactics and style of play is also player specific. They only people that you can safely say all play the same are sorcs.

If you want to do fg vs fg fights, or even 1 v 1, go somewhere other than Crau bridge. The likelyhood of getting a 1v1 or decent fg vs fg is near to 0. Whether it's hibs adding, albs adding or mids adding. You can guarantee that SOMEONE will add. The only difference being, you can complain to hibs ingame, you can't complain to albs/mids.

exactly my point, i go crazy when people brake mezz in fights, wow thanks alot. if youre trying to leech you even get more rps assisting the group youre leeching from. makes total sense for me

Can't really tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

I mez 5 ppl, and we're a duo, you come with your worthless rr2 coruscating mine enchanter and break mez on one, you can't even finish him, it happens to be a healer, he goes back and demezz his group members. Meanwhile, since you're a worthless leecher. You think, "ah they will just kill him later and I'll get rps, let's pick another target so I can leech more rps". And there you go, you break mez on another target, with your rr2 corus chanter, and again, you don't manage to kill this one either.

Leaving me and my friend with 4 non CC able mids, thanks alot, appreciated.

Think before you write. You contradicted yourself twice.

You mezz 5 people (mids) and i "break mezz" on 1 by trying to kill him. He gets away with 10% hp. I'm sorry for getting 1 or 2 resists that prevent him from dying. However, let's split up the story to see properly.

I mez 5 ppl, and we're a duo, you come with your worthless rr2 coruscating mine enchanter and break mez on one, you can't even finish him, it happens to be a healer, he goes back and demezz his group members.

BUT! 2 lines later you write this:

Leaving me and my friend with 4 non CC able mids, thanks alot, appreciated

Was it 4 or 5 mids? Make up your mind. And then:

I mez 5 ppl, and we're a duo, you come with your worthless rr2 coruscating mine enchanter and break mez on one, you can't even finish him, it happens to be a healer, he goes back and demezz his group members

BUT!! in the same paragraph:

And there you go, you break mez on another target, with your rr2 corus chanter, and again, you don't manage to kill this one either.

You just said they were demezzed, how can i break something that isn't there? Unless of course what you wrote in 2 different instances is a ballsed up typo.

Let's also look at other things he wrote:

First of all, I didn't say anything about adding, adding is ok, add all you want, I don't care.

But, leeching and ruining a fight is a different story,

Please tell me the difference between adding and leeching. And please tell me where it is in the CoC that it says that i can't kill the enemy player if my realm mates have already engaged them.

Adding: Engaging an enemy player that has already been engaged by a member of your own realm, for the initial purpose of getting some rps.

Leeching: Engaging an enemy player that has already been engaged by a member of your own realm, for the purpose of getting some rps.

If by doing one of these two things is the only way of getting rps, then so be it. If i did it all the time by following you everywhere, then that is just rude. As it stands, i wasn't following you around. You had a trio for a start. Yourself, an eld and a bm. You were roaming emain. All well and good. But please, please, please don't complain when i see an incoming enemy to crau via crau west bridge and expect me to stand there and watch. Where is the fun for me? Should i just stand around looking at everyone elses spam? Or should i go to alb or mid and try and get some solo kills there.
The only problem with trying to get solo kills in mid/alb is that there are none. Why is this? Because we have instant rvr in emain. All the albs/mids go there. There really is nothing left to kill apart from bridge campers.
Time after time i try and encourage raids to take our keeps back and get the instant rvr somewhere else. However, there really isn't the motivation in excal/hib. You are far too happy with your instant rvr.

And if so many of you are so bothered about adders when running around in your small groups, why don't you invite some randoms? I'm sure they would appreciate the fun that they would be getting and of course the rps. But of course, this probably never crossed some of your minds.

Anyway, i'm bored of arguing, because it gets no where. I'll carry on playing how i like whether people like it or not. When you pay my subs, i may consider changing my play style.

 

[Vodkafairy]

i have a really cool ventrilo recording of dreami saying 'fucking farmerwert stunned the zerker' - ill give joo a clue, stun immunity on a banelord means interrupt hell

personally i try to let everyone have their own fights, regardless of who wins. the best rvr possible in this game is an even fight here both of the groups/people have to use their tools properly to win - getting adds in a fight always disturbs this

adding is not a challenge at all, its mindless rp farming with the 'omg its realm enemies' excuse in mind. i guess maybe there are people who really enjoy that, but i don't. and the people who add so much, also ruin the fun for me.

in an ideal world there would be tiny instanced zones every time you meet an enemy. you get locked on to eachother and all outside interferance is forbidden. or people could just start treating others how they want to be treated themself, all the hypocracy and doublestandards make me sick

quite funny a while ago when some guy added on a brilliant fight and totally fucked it up for me, then i send him a friendly pm asking him not to add on my fights against even though im losing and he replies: 'well fu then i wont save you anymore'. heh.

dont think there will ever be a solution to the problem and it doesn't frustrate me nearly as much as it used to, but still its quite annoying. usually i just pm the person or the leader of a grp to prevent it next time in a friendly way and most of them are quite nice and actually do leave my/our fights

and if they refuse.. well.. nothing to do about it really, other than pulling off the fight when we get adds, because all the excitement just goes away in one blow when that happens. quite funny to see the adders die though, but i guess that makes me a selfish elitist prick so be it

 

[moik]

Where is the fun for me? Should i just stand around looking at everyone elses spam?

Selfish anyone?

I'll carry on playing how i like whether people like it or not. When you pay my subs, i may consider changing my play style.

You mean you will carry on even if it ruins the gameplay for others, be it friend or foe, since all you care abouts are those RPs?

I fail to see why the ones wanting fair fights are the selfish ones when it comes to adding policies.

 

[Vodkafairy]

ps wert, you're a proper smartass

 

[RandomDotCom]

ps wert, you're a proper smartass

why thank you


Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomDotCom
Where is the fun for me? Should i just stand around looking at everyone elses spam?


Selfish anyone?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomDotCom
I'll carry on playing how i like whether people like it or not. When you pay my subs, i may consider changing my play style.


You mean you will carry on even if it ruins the gameplay for others, be it friend or foe, since all you care abouts are those RPs?

I fail to see why the ones wanting fair fights are the selfish ones when it comes to adding policies.

please, just shut up giving useless replies. if you don't like playing around where i play (ie crau bridge) then fuck off somewhere else. Take your leet fotm grp to alb or mid land and have your fun there. You play in a zerg area and you are obviously going to get zergs everywhere, whether it be friend or foe.

 

[Vodkafairy]

you actually enjoy ruining the fun for other people?

 

[RandomDotCom]

you actually enjoy ruining the fun for other people?

Everyones definition of fun is different. If you like fg vs fg, 1v1 or small grp vs small grp then crau bridge isn't the place for you. I hang around there a lot. I join for the zerg. it's fun to trample on the enemy like they trample us. That is my idea of fun.

You go where your idea of fun is. instant rvr in emain just doesn't really provide fg vs fg.

 

[Lick]

The game is designed as "realm vs realm" - all honour/tactics/zerg/add/leach etc is at the discretion of the players. I think instanced rvr would be a very good idea to help resolve these issues but that may have a negative effect on rvr overall .
I don't mind people adding on my fights - I try not to take the game that seriously, but obviously there are people who do. The only thing I could think of is a visual flag system letting other players know that you don't want help, no matter the consequences. The only thing Mythic has done is the /nohelp command if I remember right?
If there is enough interest in a solution then Mythic may take notice - but it's down to the people who want it, to get the issue brought to the attention of the company. It may be like talking to a brick wall but maybe after another few expansions where we all get to ride flying dragons that breathe fire and shit holy hand grenades, they might address the problem.

Personally, honour and tactics aren't why i play the game - i just want to kill people. To me, people don't add - they help.

 

[LordjOX]

Altho how annoying adds etc are when you are trying to get / have decent fights, still there are lots of different people playing this game. And many of them for sure won't see nor understand why you play- to have fun RvR without all the constant interruptions and adding from your or the enemies realmmates.

However you can't really say that X enemy is "your" rps, that's just shit and childish behaviour, like someone is nibbling the cookie crumbs that fell onto your plate.

Rather just play along and stfu bout it, retards are bound to play. And the one in question here is the biggest dipwit of them all.

 

[Behmoth]

high RR is just a byproduct of lots of equal fights.

raven as much as the rest of the post is very good this bit is a load of bullshit. i have seen everyone in the realm add on a fight especially in OF at mile gates.

 

[Bluevixen]

Luckily I think this is all sorted out with the new RVR island (or zerg island)
IMO this will be the new instant RVR zone instead of Emain.
Crau bridge at the moment really ain't the place to go for fair non zergy non add RVR.

 

[Spankya]

I think the reason why some people are leeching nowdays is because thats all they can do... Its hard to get groups, especially for stealth classes and its hard to find solo albs/mids, so people just end up leaching off other groups to get some rps as otherwise they wont get many and wont see any RvR action.

Personally I dont bother soloing coz I get fedup of people trampled on by groups

 

[Frozodo]

peeps breaking your mezz is not nice..It happened tonight with some random trebbing a bridge and breaking the mezz on a camping group we had engaged..but shit happens and I aint going to berate the guy on the treb.
What is disturbing me is this whole leeching thing..It seems to have become the new buzz word with people yell spamming STOP LEECHING. Now if this is coming from guys who are engaged in 1v1 or 8v8 fights thats fair enough..fully in agreement. But when its coming from some random engaged in muliple zerg combat at crau bridge then I have to chuckle

example 1

Soloer engages in a fight with 2 albs on 1 mid.. hibs arrive..mids arrive..massive fight breaks out and soloer continues to target and fight with said albs/mids until all dead..Then out goes the shout DONT LEECH

example 2

Albs camping crau bridge and group goes in and up and starts attcking group along with the other 50 million hibs/albs/mids in area. Bridge is cleared and out goes the yell spam STOP LEACHING

These yells are not from the better known playes but from random peeps

imo if you are going to participate in the zerging horseshit that is crau bridge atm then do you really expect guys to stand by and watch till you are dead before engaging.
I think that if you want to engage in 8v8 or 1v1 dont go crau bridge cos it aint gonna happen. These past 2 weeks I have yearned for a good fight without getting zerged from 3 different sides by other groups, and when this has happened and a hib group has engaged aswell, I for one am gratefull..leeching/adding or whatever you want to call it or not.

I would prefer a good 8v8 but it is rare at the moment and I can live with it and enjoy it when it does happen..win or loose.

So please lets all not jump on the STOP LEECHING band wagon..especially at crau bride..cos at the end of the day its a game

cheers

Tbh i don't mind leechers as long as they join in, in the beginning of the match and not just in the end of the match to get deadspam.

 

[ebenezer]

i have a really cool ventrilo recording of dreami saying 'fucking farmerwert stunned the zerker' - ill give joo a clue, stun immunity on a banelord means interrupt hell

personally i try to let everyone have their own fights, regardless of who wins. the best rvr possible in this game is an even fight here both of the groups/people have to use their tools properly to win - getting adds in a fight always disturbs this

adding is not a challenge at all, its mindless rp farming with the 'omg its realm enemies' excuse in mind. i guess maybe there are people who really enjoy that, but i don't. and the people who add so much, also ruin the fun for me.

in an ideal world there would be tiny instanced zones every time you meet an enemy. you get locked on to eachother and all outside interferance is forbidden. or people could just start treating others how they want to be treated themself, all the hypocracy and doublestandards make me sick

quite funny a while ago when some guy added on a brilliant fight and totally fucked it up for me, then i send him a friendly pm asking him not to add on my fights against even though im losing and he replies: 'well fu then i wont save you anymore'. heh.

dont think there will ever be a solution to the problem and it doesn't frustrate me nearly as much as it used to, but still its quite annoying. usually i just pm the person or the leader of a grp to prevent it next time in a friendly way and most of them are quite nice and actually do leave my/our fights

and if they refuse.. well.. nothing to do about it really, other than pulling off the fight when we get adds, because all the excitement just goes away in one blow when that happens. quite funny to see the adders die though, but i guess that makes me a selfish elitist prick so be it

Hehe vodka
Your a nice chap, and i respect your opinion. But why even bother about a problem like this when its nothing to be done about? This game is designed like this. I dont think game designers thought was for people to always meet up alone and solve their own personal wars in frontiers. For me i dont understand why so many even bother to complain about this tbh. Im trying to put myself in to all ur minds and understand why you get so stressed about this. Cause when i get added on i just go to next fight and hopefully i get a good fair fight then instead...if not....il go to next fight If im tired of that..logg or do some pve Its like if i would play Battlefield 1942 and start screaming in my tank to all others around me all the time....ffs guys its my flag its my flag dont add on my army to kill plzzzz fuck off fuck off. Its funny i never heard that there, but in this game people developped this strange facination to create their own gameplay for other people too though there isnt their decision to make. People are so scared of roleplaying in this game,,,but to me all this talk about morale honor etc seems to be the biggest fantasy roleplay as it is Nonetheless all others are always entitled to their opinion, and no one can take that away from you. But that wont change that this game is more designed for full scale battles which i think is awesome as much as meeting a group vs group is also awesome...thats why im playing it. If i hated that fact so much i would start playing a game more designed like Tekken or dead or alive were you constantly solo others
And one more thing(always something more to say dont i), all always call it mindless zerging when ur more then fg vs fg why is that? is it more skill full to survive and kill versus even numbers then for example survive in a zerg were you dont even know the numbers around you? Im not referring to the fights were the hib zerg sweep down on 3 albs now rather the huge battles that take place outside crau sometimes. I can agree to that some battles are not very skill full when the armys sweep against eachother outside crau bridge sometimes. And tbh sometimes im not sure i see more skill in a solo stealther sneaking up on a chanter or releasing a shot from 200 yards away insta shooting someone, but some people think thats awesome. So you see....opinions opinion....all can claim they are right...but why dont you all just accept that this is how the game looks...its designed like this...and hey...you will all have a heartattack less if you stopped stressing about that.
in return as you say, since you mentioned about getting treated the way you treated others, you can add as much as you like on me as a matter of fact, you can do anything this game is deigned to do and il accept it, what i dont do to others is scream to them for doing something the game is designed to do and i expect the same curtusy back from other peple or they will get same treatment back, the same as in rl.

 

[Maoni]

The word add or leech will be /rpfilter assist for me i think

so sick of the omg dont leech whine...
If anyone got an issue where a dude made a mistake or anything there is mature ways to deal with it.
example: I once broke a mez on a dude without waiting for it to be stunned and i was "a fucking noob" I admit i should have waited in this particulary situation but..
There is better ways to tell a person u did a mistake...on a side note...I even asked this particular person if he ever has made a mistake on daoc....guess what? He said no I havent.....some people are so full of themsleves and should be coming back to earth imho.

 

[Behmoth]

simple answer is go compain to goa, if they can't won't do anything about it obviously it was desgined that way.its a multiplayer game designed for realm vs realm.

vf you say people adding ruins your game! it isn't your game its goa's and they own all your alts and equipment and they designed it for many people to interact with many people so the game wants you to add.

so what i'm saying is i will play my game as i like. people saying "noob fo" ect ruins my game and they are actually abusing me (wonder if i could report all those leet shites ? mmm i may try that next time)

 

[Vodkafairy]

vf you say people adding ruins your game! it isn't your game its goa's and they own all your alts and equipment and they designed it for many people to interact with many people so the game wants you to add.

whatever, people adding ruins the fun for me. we try to have fights on relatively safe positions but it's never a guarantee there won't be adds. if i fight near crau bridge you definitely won't hear me whining about adds, its to be expected there

and yeah its designed to kill realm enemies and so on, but the funny thing is that 8v8 in this game is extremely challenging, complex and fun. no other game has such good pvp. im pretty sure that none of the people that enjoy camping crau bridge have ever been in a competive fg and have had fair and clean fights with the best groups of other realms

trust me, by the time you will have one of those, you'll be hooked and you'll be just as frustrated when your nice fight gets spoilt by adders

if only the game were designed for 8v8, or implement instanced rvr to have the zerg arena and 8v8 separated.. all this adding.. well, its got absolutely no challenge whatsoever but if you can't compare it to anything better, i guess it must be the most fun thing in game Oo

 

[moik]

please, just shut up giving useless replies. if you don't like playing around where i play (ie crau bridge) then fuck off somewhere else. Take your leet fotm grp to alb or mid land and have your fun there. You play in a zerg area and you are obviously going to get zergs everywhere, whether it be friend or foe.

I don't play around crau bridge except the last run before we log when the action elsewhere has faded and then we expect adds from albs, mids and hibs. And im just trying to get you to see things from another persons point of view, but i guess its very hard.

If you add on a 1vs1 fight, you have a 99% chance of spoiling 2 peoples fun just to get some RPs/fun yourself. Then there's the odd chance that the person you were adding on actually wanted help and is grateful for it, but the people that think like that rarely solos tbh.

If you add on a 8vs8 fight, you spoil the fun for 16 ppl just so you could have some RPs/fun.

Do you think this is a fair trade?

 

[RandomDotCom]

whatever, people adding ruins the fun for me. we try to have fights on relatively safe positions but it's never a guarantee there won't be adds. if i fight near crau bridge you definitely won't hear me whining about adds, its to be expected there

and yeah its designed to kill realm enemies and so on, but the funny thing is that 8v8 in this game is extremely challenging, complex and fun. no other game has such good pvp. im pretty sure that none of the people that enjoy camping crau bridge have ever been in a competive fg and have had fair and clean fights with the best groups of other realms

trust me, by the time you will have one of those, you'll be hooked and you'll be just as frustrated when your nice fight gets spoilt by adders

if only the game were designed for 8v8, or implement instanced rvr to have the zerg arena and 8v8 separated.. all this adding.. well, its got absolutely no challenge whatsoever but if you can't compare it to anything better, i guess it must be the most fun thing in game Oo

I have been in a sub guild created by the GM of llaw arian called prima noctis. We were a growing guild and were running set rvr groups, and this is where i learnt a lot of the tactics for the play style of a bm. We ran around as a set fg of 8, and we actively hunted outside the zerg area. I found it extremely fun. However, due to real life issues going on in a lot of the members lives, the guild soon disbanded. I have yet to find another guild that will offer to do a random guild invite because they are able to see the potential that the person has to offer.

I have 4 main characters i can play at the moment, and i am working on a 5th. I have 2 tanks, a healer and a caster. Believe me when i say no matter how many rr's you have, whether you be rr1 or rr11, the chances of getting an invite into one of the groups the "higher RR guilds" are running are slim to none. They run around in their small groups and where does that leave everyone else? Standing in DL yelling lfg or being brave and trying to solo. Since the "higher RR guilds" (i refuse to give names) are killing all the enemies created by their instant RvR, what choice does a less experienced, less qualified or in some way not connected to the "higher RR guild" supposed to get rps? All the enemies have being killed by the "higher RR guild" so that leaves only one option for everyone else:
Add.

VF, you are a good player, i have seen vids of you, you have great tactics. However, if you are going to try and solo in a zerg area (ie crau bridge atm) you cannot complain of adds. It is inevitable. A hib will add with the sole purpose of helping, or another mid will add because they see their fellow mid in danger of dying to VF.

I saw a vamp fighting an SB once. The vamp was at 20% and the SB was at the same, but then used IP. I added on this fight as i feared the vamp would die. I killed the SB then the vamp and my GROUP bitched at me for adding. What should i have done in this instance? Left the vamp to die feeding the SB with yummy rps? Or killed the SB, allowing the Vamp to live and get an equal share of the rps? I didn't know the RR of either the SB or the Vamp, i didn't know what RA's the vamp had available, what possible item charges, how much power he had, if he would have survived. I added with the best intentions.

People instantly assume that adders are in there for the sole purpose of rps. This is not the case. You CANNOT predict how a fight will turn out. All you can do is help in order to ensure that YOUR REALM! comes out on top. This is, of course, the purpose of war (RvR). To make sure that the enemy doesn't overthrow your realm and send it into chaos. And hib is in chaos at the moment. There is no motivation to take our keeps back. A lot of hibs have gone into hibernation because of albs doing ridiculous damage. 2 shotting everything.

All i can do, along with many other hibs, is hope that pry/hibs have a positive effect on our realm and teach how to do proper defence and keep takes. I know that a lot a "higher RR guilds" sway around from keep take defence or keep take as they feel that there are not that many rps available. Anyone who has really been involved in a keep take or a decent defence will know that this isn't true.

The other week hib had glenlock faste towers. I was the only one defending to distract mids from going to berkstead (hibs were trying to take it). Mids had successfully taken glenlock t1 and t2 against my best efforts to defennd against the invaders. My next target, along with the mids, was glenlock t3. I managed to hold the tower against many mids until eventually they overwelmed me. They retook the tower. However, as a reward for my ability to provide such excellent defence was 20k rps in an hour. I then took a small group of friends. A light mentalist, a ranger, and myself on my enchanter. We retook the tower and once again defended against the invasion of midgard. We held the tower for a long time, providing excellent defence vs 2-3fg mids AND albs. We were able to hold the tower long enough for hib reinforcements to arrive. Against everyones best efforts, the tower was lost to the forces of Albion.
This is not a failure. Hibs came out on top. Why? Because even though we are an underdog, nerfed to hell realm, we were able to provide excellent defence against many enemies for over an hour. Everyone was rewarded with rps and a well derved pat of the back.

Anyway, i'm ranting, i'll shut up now.

 

[RandomDotCom]

I don't play around crau bridge except the last run before we log when the action elsewhere has faded and then we expect adds from albs, mids and hibs. And im just trying to get you to see things from another persons point of view, but i guess its very hard.

If you add on a 1vs1 fight, you have a 99% chance of spoiling 2 peoples fun just to get some RPs/fun yourself. Then there's the odd chance that the person you were adding on actually wanted help and is grateful for it, but the people that think like that rarely solos tbh.

If you add on a 8vs8 fight, you spoil the fun for 16 ppl just so you could have some RPs/fun.

Do you think this is a fair trade?

Can you please shut up, you getting on my nerves. It has been said before, time after time. If you don't like the idea of war (RvR) that's your problem.
It's like saying the french added on the english when the english were shooting the nazi's in WW2 ... get real! It's war! not some "oh im a fg and i'm way more leet than you so fuck off adding on my group". Look up the word war in the dictionary then give a sensible reply.

And as for adding on a fg hibs vs a fg <other> .. if the <other> was NP and you had no chance of winning, would you still bitch at me for adding if i happened to kill their healer or one of their casters, making it so that you had more of a chance to win?

 

[lucialphoenix]

the picture in rvr in hib excalibur its quite sad 70% the late months..2-3 guilds running and grouping with each other only..soloers with bbots. ebayed characters(not that make smuch of a difference)...duo trio at crau bridge with druids behind rezzing and rebuffing..waiting for a fg to charge and then they charge too to leech kill whatever anyway..or just kill..then whoever dies releases to come back and continue the same story..oooh i dinged 4l6..oh i dinged 3l2..and stealthers adds all over the place..there are 15 different classes in the games with each one 3 different speccs and a list of realm abilitities..also many different templates u can make..and 2 ml lines for each class..and instead of making a good 8 people group with specific classes and ra combos and have fun in NF the waY it is designed whether we like it or not(guess we like it otherwise no reason to pay the account) we have this crap whining to each other or just playing smart..there is no add in my opinion really..if u fight in an area like crau bridge u ll get the add..if u can just take a boat go to alb and make ur rvr area there if u r nto gimp then its much more fun than running around crim crau boring zone..i remember i was having much more fun the late hours rvring with friends and not that crowded than the hours evryone is swarming at crau bridge..pathetic..unfortunately i dont have the time time to start a fg rvr with template and combos with classes..there is the fun..with ppl who know how to play..i think its just a phase though.this will change and maybe hib exc will get better cause i dont have the mood to delete everything and start somewhere else...or just quit..somepeople find it e-m-b-a-r-r-a-s-i-n-g to accidentally press sos..lol..i wont sleep at night cause my life depends on it..just givign an example of what u can meet playing online..

 

[Everz]

I think the reason why some people are leeching nowdays is because thats all they can do... Its hard to get groups, especially for stealth classes and its hard to find solo albs/mids, so people just end up leaching off other groups to get some rps as otherwise they wont get many and wont see any RvR action.

Personally I dont bother soloing coz I get fedup of people trampled on by groups

So true, its rare i even get a group outside guild grp and soloing is pointless always ends up gettin you ass owned by every FG that see you.

 

[Mirt]

"saw a vamp fighting an SB once. The vamp was at 20% and the SB was at the same, but then used IP. I added on this fight as i feared the vamp would die. I killed the SB then the vamp and my GROUP bitched at me for adding. What should i have done in this instance?"

IMO you should have let the vampiir die, and then killed the SB (some would say you should let the SB live, although I probably wouldn't).

 

[MxN]

If you add on a 8vs8 fight, you spoil the fun for 16 ppl just so you could have some RPs/fun.

Do you think this is a fair trade?

well said tbh,

 

[Vodkafairy]

I have been in a sub guild created by the GM of llaw arian called prima noctis. We were a growing guild and were running set rvr groups, and this is where i learnt a lot of the tactics for the play style of a bm. We ran around as a set fg of 8, and we actively hunted outside the zerg area. I found it extremely fun. However, due to real life issues going on in a lot of the members lives, the guild soon disbanded. I have yet to find another guild that will offer to do a random guild invite because they are able to see the potential that the person has to offer.

Heh, then you must know how frustrating it is to have a great fight ruined by adds.

I have 4 main characters i can play at the moment, and i am working on a 5th. I have 2 tanks, a healer and a caster. Believe me when i say no matter how many rr's you have, whether you be rr1 or rr11, the chances of getting an invite into one of the groups the "higher RR guilds" are running are slim to none. They run around in their small groups and where does that leave everyone else? Standing in DL yelling lfg or being brave and trying to solo. Since the "higher RR guilds" (i refuse to give names) are killing all the enemies created by their instant RvR, what choice does a less experienced, less qualified or in some way not connected to the "higher RR guild" supposed to get rps? All the enemies have being killed by the "higher RR guild" so that leaves only one option for everyone else: Add.

Everyone started at rr1, being comletely unknown. It's not like certain people were born to be in a set rvr group The trick is to find likeminded people that have half a brain and are open to learning and improving their play - start out small and pick up people along the way and eventually you will get a great group going. It's that simple, but it takes patience and initiative.

VF, you are a good player, i have seen vids of you, you have great tactics. However, if you are going to try and solo in a zerg area (ie crau bridge atm) you cannot complain of adds. It is inevitable. A hib will add with the sole purpose of helping, or another mid will add because they see their fellow mid in danger of dying to VF.

Hence I don't try to solo or have fg fights near zergy areas? I know many people like that way of playing and I won't give them any abuse for adding on my fights if I was near a spot I could expect it. What pisses me off is the people that deliberately try to find the place we are having our fights and add there.

I saw a vamp fighting an SB once. The vamp was at 20% and the SB was at the same, but then used IP. I added on this fight as i feared the vamp would die. I killed the SB then the vamp and my GROUP bitched at me for adding. What should i have done in this instance? Left the vamp to die feeding the SB with yummy rps? Or killed the SB, allowing the Vamp to live and get an equal share of the rps? I didn't know the RR of either the SB or the Vamp, i didn't know what RA's the vamp had available, what possible item charges, how much power he had, if he would have survived. I added with the best intentions.

That's why you should have left him fight. He solo's for a purpose, he wants 1 on1 fights - whether or not he wins the fight isn't important. If he died, he got outplayed or the opponent had more abilities up. Dying in a good fight is far, far better than watching your opponent get added on. What's the fun in that? Best intentions are to let everyone have their own fights and not interfere. Again, away from the zergy areas.

People instantly assume that adders are in there for the sole purpose of rps. This is not the case. You CANNOT predict how a fight will turn out. All you can do is help in order to ensure that YOUR REALM! comes out on top. This is, of course, the purpose of war (RvR). To make sure that the enemy doesn't overthrow your realm and send it into chaos. And hib is in chaos at the moment. There is no motivation to take our keeps back. A lot of hibs have gone into hibernation because of albs doing ridiculous damage. 2 shotting everything.

I think the two kinds of rvr can exist next to eachother really. In emain bowl its one big place of add-happy, fortherealmweshallzerg!1, back and forth zerging. Other side of the river is more aimed towards 8v8 / solo fights. If everyone stays where they enjoy themself best, there wouldn't be much bitterness or whining. When there is siege action going on you really won't see me hesitate to kill any realm 'enemy' unless its a very even fight. Judge people as players trying to have fun, not by which realm they play in - outside the roleplay areas anyway.

All i can do, along with many other hibs, is hope that pry/hibs have a positive effect on our realm and teach how to do proper defence and keep takes. I know that a lot a "higher RR guilds" sway around from keep take defence or keep take as they feel that there are not that many rps available. Anyone who has really been involved in a keep take or a decent defence will know that this isn't true.

Haha such nonsense, siegeing brings out a lot of action and most the groups will go near that area. If we go there we get accused of free rps farming, if we don't go we get called elitist ***** that don't help out their realm. gg

Realm defence is piss easy, it takes only a handful of mages with a clue in a keep to kill many, many people and defend the keep.

The other week hib had glenlock faste towers. I was the only one defending to distract mids from going to berkstead (hibs were trying to take it). Mids had successfully taken glenlock t1 and t2 against my best efforts to defennd against the invaders. My next target, along with the mids, was glenlock t3. I managed to hold the tower against many mids until eventually they overwelmed me. They retook the tower. However, as a reward for my ability to provide such excellent defence was 20k rps in an hour. I then took a small group of friends. A light mentalist, a ranger, and myself on my enchanter. We retook the tower and once again defended against the invasion of midgard. We held the tower for a long time, providing excellent defence vs 2-3fg mids AND albs. We were able to hold the tower long enough for hib reinforcements to arrive. Against everyones best efforts, the tower was lost to the forces of Albion.
This is not a failure. Hibs came out on top. Why? Because even though we are an underdog, nerfed to hell realm, we were able to provide excellent defence against many enemies for over an hour. Everyone was rewarded with rps and a well derved pat of the back.

Anyway, i'm ranting, i'll shut up now.

So why don't you focus on doing such things more? Or take initiative to take towers and create a situation like that for you and your friends? Why is it always other people that have to take the initiative? If you're happy there, and groups are happy finding eachother for 8v8's, isn't everyone happy? You do what you think is most fun, we do what we think is most fun, and if nobody interferes with eachothers fun/challenge there wont be a problem at all.

And saying hibs are nerfed is just silly, we're a very strong realm with many very good classes. Saying otherwise shows you have no clue, so I hope it was a joke of some kind.

 

[Mirt]

"Because even though we are an underdog, nerfed to hell realm"

Underdog in terms of population (and I guess general #care towards prolonged siege) maybe, but nerfed? I disagree, Hib has some very good classes that work rather well in 8v8.

Frankly I feel sorry for the other realms trying to deal with an ani/bainshee zerg.

 

[RandomDotCom]

So why don't you focus on doing such things more? Or take initiative to take towers and create a situation like that for you and your friends? Why is it always other people that have to take the initiative? If you're happy there, and groups are happy finding eachother for 8v8's, isn't everyone happy? You do what you think is most fun, we do what we think is most fun, and if nobody interferes with eachothers fun/challenge there wont be a problem at all

It's hard to focus on doing that as it is quite hard to get people interested.

Haha such nonsense, siegeing brings out a lot of action and most the groups will go near that area. If we go there we get accused of free rps farming, if we don't go we get called elitist ***** that don't help out their realm. gg

Realm defence is piss easy, it takes only a handful of mages with a clue in a keep to kill many, many people and defend the keep.

Most people say that because "elist *****" as you call them, come along, kill everything then piss off. They don't help with the seiging. This is not always the case, but it is a lot of the time. They may not find it enjoyable as it doesn't require you to mash every single RA and ML ability you have available. But it does help with providing love and care between the realm (sorry, sentimental moment)

And saying hibs are nerfed is just silly, we're a very strong realm with many very good classes. Saying otherwise shows you have no clue, so I hope it was a joke of some kind

Underdog and nerfed in terms of numbers. The underdog bonuses don't make up for the numbers albs can provide.

Heh, then you must know how frustrating it is to have a great fight ruined by adds.

Not really. As i said, adds are inevitable, whether it be from your realm or an enemy realm. You just go around as your group and carry on killing.

Anyway, the fact remains that it is impossible to add, as the rvr in this game is based around war between realms. Not a fight between 16 people, or 2 people. it's betweem 3 different realms fighting for power and dominance.

Frankly I feel sorry for the other realms trying to deal with an ani/bainshee zerg.

Let's be serious, bainshee is just totally OP

 

[Raven]

easy thing to do is just not add really why ruin the game for other people just to get a few more numbers on your stat screen. Why add on a good fight between two people (or two FGs) playing the game for fun? its pathetic. If you cant compete, or dont want to compete, dont fuck it up for those that have put time into the game and their toon and are enjoying the rewards.