Doesnt people care anymore? :<

[Cruhar]

Everywhere I go, being PoC, Frontiers, Avalon City, DF or most TOA areas, I see people abusing Texture/Design Flaws...

I just logged off after trying to exp my Sorcerer (ye,ye I know) and saw, in less than 15 mins, 4-5 places being bug-abused...

made me wonder, with all the banning GoA been doing lately, is the punishment too light?

I could try to explain what I saw, but I guess most people know the bugs, and it would just get edited by Flim anyway ;-)

Im not fussed by it aslong it just against moblets, tho I wouldnt do it myself, but is it really worth it? Shouldnt GOA just use the 0tolerance(sp?) rule and just ban obviously Abuse? its not like people bother to try and hide the abuse
(2 icewizards, a FOP, 3 leeches and a puller) abusing the LOS on mobs.
They didnt even bother to place the FOP on the ground... nono they placed it up at the abuse-location...

C'mon abusers, atleast try to hide it? or stop complaining/being asses when people tell you they will report you...

With 2 pbaoers, fop, and a puller, how much exp could you have made in the 3-7 days ban your looking to get, it is still worth it?

I think its sad to watch...

IMO GOA should start ruling with an iron-fist, the cheaters/abusers are starting to win the crowd

oh an increase the punishment to an instant perma ban... Its not like its a surprise to the abusers if they find their accounts banned, but 3 days.. thats not punishment..!

 

[Thadius]

Everywhere I go, being PoC, Frontiers, Avalon City, DF or most TOA areas, I see people abusing Texture/Design Flaws...

I just logged off after trying to exp my Sorcerer (ye,ye I know) and saw, in less than 15 mins, 4-5 places being bug-abused...

made me wonder, with all the banning GoA been doing lately, is the punishment too light?

I could try to explain what I saw, but I guess most people know the bugs, and it would just get edited by Flim anyway ;-)

Im not fussed by it aslong it just against moblets, tho I wouldnt do it myself, but is it really worth it? Shouldnt GOA just use the 0tolerance(sp?) rule and just ban obviously Abuse? its not like people bother to try and hide the abuse
(2 icewizards, a FOP, 3 leeches and a puller) abusing the LOS on mobs.
They didnt even bother to place the FOP on the ground... nono they placed it up at the abuse-location...

C'mon abusers, atleast try to hide it? or stop complaining/being asses when people tell you they will report you...

With 2 pbaoers, fop, and a puller, how much exp could you have made in the 3-7 days ban your looking to get, it is still worth it?

I think its sad to watch...

IMO GOA should start ruling with an iron-fist, the cheaters/abusers are starting to win the crowd

oh an increase the punishment to an instant perma ban... Its not like its a surprise to the abusers if they find their accounts banned, but 3 days.. thats not punishment..!

Goa are too busy with trying to fix chars to really care too much about exploit users and such

Remember requiel saying that him/her had to recruit gms from the french and german servers to help with the fix up

 

[UndyingAngel]

I agree with this.. people useing texture bug should have a 1month ban at least.. or a ban till th end of there currnt payment that would teach a lot of ppl..

Play the game the was it was designed to play or dont bother playing imho

 

[mikke]

Hmm, think about the perma ban.. they would never do that! rofl, then they would loose coustamers! and that means they would earn less cash! :O

i think the 7day ban is right, but they should maybe be strighter in what is cheating and what is not..

 

[Righthandof]

what an ass is this thread starter.
i dont do abusive groups as im finished with pve, but i totally understand why people do.
i have absolutely no idea why mythic doesn't care about people, and keeps nerfing the pve instead of making it easier. every1 hates exping, its so dam boring, and annoying because most mobs have weird pathing, weird agro range, or adding rules.. its all fecked up, and still it takes many many irl hours to get to a decent lvl. and what does mythic do? nerf fop, making it not usable in pve combat...
as long as they dont realize their faults, they should expect ppl trying to lvl easy mode.

oh, and also if mobs use their stupid pathing or other bugs thats a bug, but if a player does the same and uses his advantages thats an abuse and gets punished with bans. nonsense tbh.

 

[moik]

Play the game the was it was designed to play or dont bother playing imho

Maybe they like the end-game (rvr) but don't really enjoy the way they have to go to get there. Not like it hurts anyone if they abuse texture-bugs to gain levels faster.
Everyone plays this game to have fun and i don't think it's hard to respect that some people simply just don't enjoy the 1-50 grind - so they found an easy way around it. Good for them. Now why do you have to come and ruin it for them?

 

[Ironfalcon]

what an ass is this thread starter.
i dont do abusive groups as im finished with pve, but i totally understand why people do.
i have absolutely no idea why mythic doesn't care about people, and keeps nerfing the pve instead of making it easier. every1 hates exping, its so dam boring, and annoying because most mobs have weird pathing, weird agro range, or adding rules.. its all fecked up, and still it takes many many irl hours to get to a decent lvl. and what does mythic do? nerf fop, making it not usable in pve combat...
as long as they dont realize their faults, they should expect ppl trying to lvl easy mode.

oh, and also if mobs use their stupid pathing or other bugs thats a bug, but if a player does the same and uses his advantages thats an abuse and gets punished with bans. nonsense tbh.

Its the way the game is designed.. play it like it supposed to, or leave... Either way enough of the QQ.. I agree that pve is dull, and I bitch about it a lot.. and I agree with both cruhar, and Undying.. Do you aprove of people using radars aswell? because that kinda the same thing eh?

Anyhow thats my 50 cents..

 

[Darzil]

PVE getting harder ?

What game you playing ?

It's never been so easy !

Darzil

 

[Righthandof]

Do you aprove of people using radars aswell? because that kinda the same thing eh?

no, radar users should be banned. or better, legalize it and givf radars to everyone. but anyway, i dislike that because it actually gives an advantage to someone, and ruins the game for others. balance is already very poor in this game.

but why the hell is such a big problem if somebody makes pve faster/easier? you dont get any negative effects of that, not like tha radar example where you get killed by it.. this is the difference, ruining others game isnt fun, but someone can exp one way, someone can exp better, it doesnt make your life harder.

 

[Ironfalcon]

no, radar users should be banned. or better, legalize it and givf radars to everyone. but anyway, i dislike that because it actually gives an advantage to someone, and ruins the game for others. balance is already very poor in this game.

but why the hell is such a big problem if somebody makes pve faster/easier? you dont get any negative effects of that, not like tha radar example where you get killed by it.. this is the difference, ruining others game isnt fun, but someone can exp one way, someone can exp better, it doesnt make your life harder.

well put it like this.. you drive to fast in car, it makes your time easier, because you get from point a to b, faster.. you get a ticket.. for speed driving. in daoc you get banned for 3 days.. if you do it again, 14 days, next time they cut you.. same with your drivers licence.. and yes I drive to fast.. more or less all the time.. if I get a ticked, i dont wajn, because i know it was my own fault.... a lot of bullshit aye I know.. but its true..

 

[Righthandof]

good example except 1 thing, this is just a fooking game, which is meant to be played for fun.

 

[Shanaia]

good example except 1 thing, this is just a fooking game, which is meant to be played for fun.

And which is meant to be played fair.

Imo the people who will "cheat" in their pve are just as likely to do it in RvR... and then suddenly you will all scream that they need to be banned etc.

 

[moik]

well put it like this.. you drive to fast in car, it makes your time easier, because you get from point a to b, faster.. you get a ticket.. for speed driving. in daoc you get banned for 3 days.. if you do it again, 14 days, next time they cut you.. same with your drivers licence.. and yes I drive to fast.. more or less all the time.. if I get a ticked, i dont wajn, because i know it was my own fault.... a lot of bullshit aye I know.. but its true..

I don't see how you can compare the two. When you speed over the limit you are not only exposing yourself, but also others to danger. Exping at a bugged spot has no side-effects for anyone.

Imo the people who will "cheat" in their pve are just as likely to do it in RvR... and then suddenly you will all scream that they need to be banned etc.

Until they cheat in RVR they should remain unpunished tho. How would it work IRL if we punished people just by looking at who's most likely to commit crimes. Someone buys a gun, legally, and gets thrown in jail because he is now more likely to kill someone.

 

[Cruhar]

Goa are too busy with trying to fix chars to really care too much about exploit users and such

Remember requiel saying that him/her had to recruit gms from the french and german servers to help with the fix up

It was a problem before the break-down too tho, and it really doesnt justify the abuse, does it? Your not allowed to loot either when there is some TOP-UN-Meeting either..!

 

[Cruhar]

good example except 1 thing, this is just a fooking game, which is meant to be played for fun.

Its not much fun, not to be able to level your alt, because 2 people are pulling every mob in sight to their camp where they will suffer no downtime..

 

[Cruhar]

PVE getting harder ?

What game you playing ?

It's never been so easy !

Darzil

It would have been easy, if there was any camps left ^^ but I agree

 

[Cruhar]

Hmm, think about the perma ban.. they would never do that! rofl, then they would loose coustamers! and that means they would earn less cash! :O

i think the 7day ban is right, but they should maybe be strighter in what is cheating and what is not..

Think about the community?

but ok perma ban might be a bit harsh, but 3-7 days are wank imo

 

[Cruhar]

what an ass is this thread starter.
i dont do abusive groups as im finished with pve, but i totally understand why people do.
i have absolutely no idea why mythic doesn't care about people, and keeps nerfing the pve instead of making it easier. every1 hates exping, its so dam boring, and annoying because most mobs have weird pathing, weird agro range, or adding rules.. its all fecked up, and still it takes many many irl hours to get to a decent lvl. and what does mythic do? nerf fop, making it not usable in pve combat...
as long as they dont realize their faults, they should expect ppl trying to lvl easy mode.

oh, and also if mobs use their stupid pathing or other bugs thats a bug, but if a player does the same and uses his advantages thats an abuse and gets punished with bans. nonsense tbh.

1. Thanks alot...
2. So because you hate PvE, everyone hate PvE?... Well I understand you feel that way if you use many many hours to get to decent level... Maybe you should re-think your DAOC life... I guess you realize this isnt Counter Strike. Just because you dont have a clue how to level, doesnt mean everyone hate PvE..!
3. Im not complaining about the bugs... Im trying to understand the people who abuse these bugs and their attitude against people who react upon their 'crime'...

I do have a friend, actually several, who abuses these bugs around the realms... And they all understand its against the rules to abuse design flaws, and pretty much says the same as you, that Mythic/GoA should expect the bugs to be abused, but that still doesnt answer my question...

Is the punishment too light, as abusers doesnt even try to cover up their indecent roaming anymore? Most I've spoken to says who cares about 3 days ban, they'll just head out drinking, shaving, tanking a bath whatever till the time is done

 

[Shanaia]

[..] tanking a bath [..]

How do you tank a bath?

Like ... get a 50 shield pala and ... you know .. tank it?

 

[Righthandof]

2. So because you hate PvE, everyone hate PvE?... Well I understand you feel that way if you use many many hours to get to decent level... Maybe you should re-think your DAOC life... I guess you realize this isnt Counter Strike. Just because you dont have a clue how to level, doesnt mean everyone hate PvE..!

ive got 9 lvl 50 chars, i believe i know how to level..
still its like 20-30 in real life hours, and if its not much for you, i suggest YOU re-think your daoc life(and irl as well).

3. Im not complaining about the bugs... Im trying to understand the people who abuse these bugs

to understand the people who choose the easy way, you have to read, and realize there are problems with pve.. just do a quick test, who prefers pve or rvr.. i dont think pve fans will dominate.. its slow and annoying, and many ppl play this game for rvr(like myself), and consider pve as a prereq to play this game the way they want.

oh, and i called u an ass, because you seemed to be trying to make bans more strict, to ban the rvr fans not only for 3 days, but lot more.
now that is purely against the community, ruining the fun of other players, without any benefit for yourself.

 

[Cruhar]

How do you tank a bath?

Like ... get a 50 shield pala and ... you know .. tank it?

Um... nah a 50 shield-spec Scout with 35 lbow, you willing to take the spot?

 

[Cruhar]

ive got 9 lvl 50 chars, i believe i know how to level..
still its like 20-30 in real life hours, and if its not much for you, i suggest YOU re-think your daoc life(and irl as well).

Yeah I know who you are... but even if 20-30, or even 50 hours is spend leveling... after all its a MMORPG, so to many people, no... 50 hours isnt alot...

I do realize many of the old-timers have left the game, and the newer generation of MMORPG-players expect more action in their game... Maybe its just me, having a hard time to adjust to the new mentality

And that 'IRL' comment was unspoken for, as you have no clue what my IRL is like...

And about the test -> PvE vs RvR <-, its too old really... and I will use the PvE-players excuse ... 'Most people here on FH isnt the ones that like PvE' ...

But you like the RvR part of the game ... good for you... so your unharmed by the texture/Design-flaw abusers, then you shouldnt be answering this thread, unless your one of the people abusing the bugs to get your 10th lvl50 or one of the previous lvl50s

I actually enjoy leveling my toons, I like raising in levels, I like killing the same mobs over and over again, already knowing what I will get of new abilities next level, also already knowing what items thats of chance to drop on the kill, which ofcourse I cannot use as im using TOA/SC twinked altzors armour...
And yes I also use a Buffbot, and I also PL, but I still enjoy killing moblets in Lyonesse (If I could find a spot not already camped by a necromancer or matter cabalist) ... I enjoy killing stuff in barrows (If I could find a spot not camped by a necromancer) ... I enjoy killing stuff in Avalon City (If I could find a spot not already camped by a few icewizzies with a FOP) ... and yes I from time to time enjoy PoC aswell, due to the thrill from the chance of encountering enemy players... Yes I do use the frontiers for leveling too, not to forget Darkness Falls...

So we enjoy different aspects of the game, which is great, means not just your or my kind in the game, which tbh would be kinda borring... which is again my point... not everyone hate PvE, yes probably most people using FH, but not most the people playing DAoC...

 

[Cruhar]

oh, and i called u an ass, because you seemed to be trying to make bans more strict, to ban the rvr fans not only for 3 days, but lot more.
now that is purely against the community, ruining the fun of other players, without any benefit for yourself.

One of the people I saw last night abusing, actually claimed on FH that he perferred PvE over RvR...

And I presume Im an ass then, as I still think the people who break the rules should be stuck harder than a 3 day ban, whatever the cheat/abuse/hack/'insert bad stuff here' must be...

Its their choise to keep playing DAoC even tho they have to grind their way to lvl50 first, I still dont think that justifies the reason to abuse.

I wont miss them tbh

 

[Graendel]

i have absolutely no idea why mythic doesn't care about people, and keeps nerfing the pve instead of making it easier.

Did you miss the bit about free levels?

 

[Dorimor1]

Goa have made PvE easy enough. Free levels, Catacombs and considering that we have a free level every 2 days now I think there is no excuse to exploit bugs so you can get to 50 the easy way.

I must admit, I really detest people who bug abuse, or even power level for that matter. I think it does ruin the game for others. Groups between 1-40 are non existant because virtually everyone powerlevels their alts and I'd say a good 10% of that is used through bug abuse.

I think Cruhar does have a point.

I think Mythic have got the penalty system right, its just that they can't be arsed to fix these bugs which really annoys me.

 

[Ironfalcon]

I don't see how you can compare the two. When you speed over the limit you are not only exposing yourself, but also others to danger. Exping at a bugged spot has no side-effects for anyone.QUOTE]

Really? look at this then..

Its not much fun, not to be able to level your alt, because 2 people are pulling every mob in sight to their camp where they will suffer no downtime..

tell me about no side-effects for anyone..

 

[Kinetix]

Yeah I know who you are... but even if 20-30, or even 50 hours is spend leveling... after all its a MMORPG, so to many people, no... 50 hours isnt alot...

I do realize many of the old-timers have left the game, and the newer generation of MMORPG-players expect more action in their game... Maybe its just me, having a hard time to adjust to the new mentality

And that 'IRL' comment was unspoken for, as you have no clue what my IRL is like...

And about the test -> PvE vs RvR <-, its too old really... and I will use the PvE-players excuse ... 'Most people here on FH isnt the ones that like PvE' ...

But you like the RvR part of the game ... good for you... so your unharmed by the texture/Design-flaw abusers, then you shouldnt be answering this thread, unless your one of the people abusing the bugs to get your 10th lvl50 or one of the previous lvl50s

I actually enjoy leveling my toons, I like raising in levels, I like killing the same mobs over and over again, already knowing what I will get of new abilities next level, also already knowing what items thats of chance to drop on the kill, which ofcourse I cannot use as im using TOA/SC twinked altzors armour...
And yes I also use a Buffbot, and I also PL, but I still enjoy killing moblets in Lyonesse (If I could find a spot not already camped by a necromancer or matter cabalist) ... I enjoy killing stuff in barrows (If I could find a spot not camped by a necromancer) ... I enjoy killing stuff in Avalon City (If I could find a spot not already camped by a few icewizzies with a FOP) ... and yes I from time to time enjoy PoC aswell, due to the thrill from the chance of encountering enemy players... Yes I do use the frontiers for leveling too, not to forget Darkness Falls...

So we enjoy different aspects of the game, which is great, means not just your or my kind in the game, which tbh would be kinda borring... which is again my point... not everyone hate PvE, yes probably most people using FH, but not most the people playing DAoC...

Personally i think it killing a mob over and over...well its boring/sucks.
Dam you speak of the new MMORPG-players like you were a 60 year old granny....we have one granny already ;D
I like PvE just dont like to lvl my toons, and the ppl that to those abuses pbbly know what they are risking, so i dont understand why is this post, do you think your going to change the way they think or are you QQ?


Best Regards
Kinetic

 

[Esselinithia]

I must admit, I really detest people who bug abuse, or even power level for that matter. I think it does ruin the game for others. Groups between 1-40 are non existant because virtually everyone powerlevels their alts and I'd say a good 10% of that is used through bug abuse.

Lets see this abuse question: When mythic made toa, they made some mobs able to dive, some unable to dive. Also decided some underwater mobs can follow you to the land, some can't. It is a design feature which is working as designed in great majority of cases. It is a new tactical element, that is meant to be used, and they calculated this into mob difficulties, and can be important when speaking about a few toa mobs (often used to avoid tornado agro for example). But, if people try to abuse pathing, texture, terrain, los, etc. bugs how can you define the abuse well enough? If mobs would agro you and can't agro you, that is a problem. So with birth of abuse we lost a valid game feature. GOA can't react directly to bug abuse by fixing it, and you have to wait long time for a working fix. But one more thing: I am 100% certain, that a lot of people who played RPGs rightfully think: if mobs would be unable to attack you in the world, that is tactics, if it is just a game flaw, it is bug abuse.

When you dive at ML4 with some characters (including clerics) while tanks take care of tornado agro, when you try to place clerics on land when fighting some underwater mobs, etc. GOA has to question: Do they abuse, or do they play as they see the game, and as the game world dictates. If you climb up to a steep cliff where it is hard to do the climbing, and try to attack: Again there is an explanation, and you put effort in it. Can GOA say, you are abusive, or they have reasons to think: You navigate the game world based on what you see and what you perceive as design feature.

If they see no reason to ban in this case, they know, if they ban someone who intentionally abuses terrain, pathing, etc. the person in question will moan and point to honest users. How it can be fixed? Easy. Mythic places a script in agro route finding: If no valid route, it checks if you use a valid tactics (drops the issue, gets new agro target) or suspected abuse. If the later is the case, they should simply send a warning first, report it to the admins next, and then they have a reason to act, and a reason to know you received the warning.

But if people wouldn't get capped xp in PL, but get significanlty less and it wouldn't be the fastest xp, most of this abuse would stop imho.

 

[Infanity]

Bug abuse happens to much ;x

 

[Ogen]

10 bugs, hes just qq´ing becouse they didnt let him join the grp..
Tbh i dont see the issue in what they are doing. It dosent hurt anyone, and this game was designed for xp´ing in grps. Of wich there is none anymore.
Some might blame the fact that there is no normal grps or people lfg in the lfg window, on those PL grps, but honestly i think its to late to do anything about that.
So ask you self, would you either spend 20-30 hourhs getting to 50, or spending 1 month ingame getting to 50 alone..