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It's been a slow day at the office today 
http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=450449#post450449
http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=450449#post450449
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daphatfriar
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I replied to that thread go look KG
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Second post. just so u see it
IMO :
well personally, I enjoy RvR but I agree with killgorde on the points, however isnt the fundamental problem the switch in the game style from PvE to RvR?
Eg (my experience of albion excal).
Pure greed drives at least 50% of players. PvE is all about how much xp u can get and how quickly. after 50 loooooong levels of doing this, peoples mindset gets fixed,and they dont lose the greed when they get to RvR.
We all remember how much fun we had levelling when we were lowbies (the chat, the fun, the banter) and I dont think its cos it was faster. Its because people set the target of level 50 for RvR and become increasingly selfish. Then we get into RvR and the mindset doesnt change. We have no real banter, chat, teamwork or fun. because greed again.
people get to RvR and dont drop the xp mentality, its still all about how many more figures u have in RP than your peers.
Thats wrong IMO, it should be about taking a keep holding it as your group, building seige equipment, having banter and then waiting for the action OR working as a team and working together to patrol! albs cant control mezz for shit and work like a herd of buffalo .
All that happens in albion, as killgorde shows, is alb keeps fall and the greedy peeps think, I will ignore that and run from AMG to MMG try get more RP and then continue until tired or bored.
Im not sure the problem is with the game engine, maybe just the mentality of the majority of players. IMO what is the point in getting to RvR and playing only for RP? whats the aim? when u RR10, whats your next aim gonna be? can u look back and say u had fun?
To finish, maybe the objective should be:
to work as a team, build an effective guild full of friendly fun and entusiastic players, who work to improve the status of the guild as a whole! not with RP but by owning a keep and holding it, having a good time and enjoying it.
I think there is a lot of potential in this game for tactics and teamplay already, it isnt mythics fault that we have a bunch of "uber" arrogant nerds playing who care more about self status than teamwork or fun factor.
Im sure if u told one guy that if he went to the same location eg from amg to mount collery, he would get 1K RP that he wouldnt run there forward and back until he hit max!
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Dont tell me "we can only go to emain" thats B-S! Go to Odins or sauvage they are just as good! and people do show (well maybe not albs!)
Play tactics instead of the zerg! hang around in full groups, dont know automatically where the enemy are coming from. for chrissakes there could be so much more to this game and I for one am glad that killgorde appears to have formed a team that can listen to a clear leader , work as a team and truely show albion that 1FG can overcome the odds! I have tried battling u in sauvage with 20+ albs and many times your full team survives!
Its a shame that u couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery with most albs, we would rather join some "uber RvR guild" and go farm RP between the mile gates. Uber RvR by just creating a lvl 50 only zerg? bollox
PS. not all albs just the majority Many of my friends and allies are excellent players, but people quit cos of these greedy nerds who ruin it for the rest of us.
<insert flames here>
IMO :
well personally, I enjoy RvR but I agree with killgorde on the points, however isnt the fundamental problem the switch in the game style from PvE to RvR?
Eg (my experience of albion excal).
Pure greed drives at least 50% of players. PvE is all about how much xp u can get and how quickly. after 50 loooooong levels of doing this, peoples mindset gets fixed,and they dont lose the greed when they get to RvR.
We all remember how much fun we had levelling when we were lowbies (the chat, the fun, the banter) and I dont think its cos it was faster. Its because people set the target of level 50 for RvR and become increasingly selfish. Then we get into RvR and the mindset doesnt change. We have no real banter, chat, teamwork or fun. because greed again.
people get to RvR and dont drop the xp mentality, its still all about how many more figures u have in RP than your peers.
Thats wrong IMO, it should be about taking a keep holding it as your group, building seige equipment, having banter and then waiting for the action OR working as a team and working together to patrol! albs cant control mezz for shit and work like a herd of buffalo .
All that happens in albion, as killgorde shows, is alb keeps fall and the greedy peeps think, I will ignore that and run from AMG to MMG try get more RP and then continue until tired or bored.
Im not sure the problem is with the game engine, maybe just the mentality of the majority of players. IMO what is the point in getting to RvR and playing only for RP? whats the aim? when u RR10, whats your next aim gonna be? can u look back and say u had fun?
To finish, maybe the objective should be:
to work as a team, build an effective guild full of friendly fun and entusiastic players, who work to improve the status of the guild as a whole! not with RP but by owning a keep and holding it, having a good time and enjoying it.
I think there is a lot of potential in this game for tactics and teamplay already, it isnt mythics fault that we have a bunch of "uber" arrogant nerds playing who care more about self status than teamwork or fun factor.
Im sure if u told one guy that if he went to the same location eg from amg to mount collery, he would get 1K RP that he wouldnt run there forward and back until he hit max!
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Dont tell me "we can only go to emain" thats B-S! Go to Odins or sauvage they are just as good! and people do show (well maybe not albs!)
Play tactics instead of the zerg! hang around in full groups, dont know automatically where the enemy are coming from. for chrissakes there could be so much more to this game and I for one am glad that killgorde appears to have formed a team that can listen to a clear leader , work as a team and truely show albion that 1FG can overcome the odds! I have tried battling u in sauvage with 20+ albs and many times your full team survives!
Its a shame that u couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery with most albs, we would rather join some "uber RvR guild" and go farm RP between the mile gates. Uber RvR by just creating a lvl 50 only zerg? bollox
PS. not all albs
just the majority Many of my friends and allies are excellent players, but people quit cos of these greedy nerds who ruin it for the rest of us.<insert flames here>
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I completely agree with u Cplcarrot
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Mageling
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Patterns...
Scary I agree, and you’re an alb, guess we shall overcome hehe.
On the serious note though, well put, and this is why we (all realms?) got so many lvl 50 n00bz.They still really don’t know what they are doing, as they think they doing it all for themselves. So u sucked in bg1, now u think real “RvR” will be another game. But of course it will be, the only thing the same is that u still suck, and u still got none or less experience.
Scary I agree, and you’re an alb, guess we shall overcome hehe.
On the serious note though, well put, and this is why we (all realms?) got so many lvl 50 n00bz.They still really don’t know what they are doing, as they think they doing it all for themselves. So u sucked in bg1, now u think real “RvR” will be another game. But of course it will be, the only thing the same is that u still suck, and u still got none or less experience.
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Ziva
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I agree with what has been said before.
It seems some people get easily bored at every RPG game and therefore can never be happy. Their only goal is too reach 50 asap and get as many RP asap. Archiving this goal means they are finished and start whining.
There are so many things in the game to do besides xp and RvR, it's just what u make out of it yourself. Sure, it's okay to think of ways to improve things and make certain events more appealing, but Mytic/GOA can never satisfy everyone since there will always be people complaining.
Every game has it's final goal and if u start rushing to it without even taking the time to really explore the options u basically ruining the game for yourself. I'm sure GOA is not resting and are trying to improve the game as best as possible (after all, it's in their best interest too right?), personally i think they made great efforts with DF and the recent events.
But if you're fed up with the RvR, don't feel like rolling an alt/trying a new realm, helping others or simply cannot enjoy the game anymore u really have no other option then leaving to another RPG where u'll probably experience the same problems after a certain amount of time.
It seems some people get easily bored at every RPG game and therefore can never be happy. Their only goal is too reach 50 asap and get as many RP asap. Archiving this goal means they are finished and start whining.
There are so many things in the game to do besides xp and RvR, it's just what u make out of it yourself. Sure, it's okay to think of ways to improve things and make certain events more appealing, but Mytic/GOA can never satisfy everyone since there will always be people complaining.
Every game has it's final goal and if u start rushing to it without even taking the time to really explore the options u basically ruining the game for yourself. I'm sure GOA is not resting and are trying to improve the game as best as possible (after all, it's in their best interest too right?), personally i think they made great efforts with DF and the recent events.
But if you're fed up with the RvR, don't feel like rolling an alt/trying a new realm, helping others or simply cannot enjoy the game anymore u really have no other option then leaving to another RPG where u'll probably experience the same problems after a certain amount of time.
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old.Filip
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hmmm well ... i disagree a lot ..
First of all to all those nice suggestions about keeps ..
mostly it has been idea's about how to make the keep more fun to defend/hold ..
well tbh i think there is much fun in defending a keep. No need to improve that, thing is .. why the hell should you attack a defended keep ?
TBH i think that is 1 of the main points DAOC have failed their own idea...
it is like this ..
infiltrators report 2 hib/mid groups inside Rensais
then albs should do what ???
we could try to gather 4-5 groups to take the keep.. but why ?
1-2 groups could go to mid/hib and take a few of their keeps.. just to anoy em
(the relic threat belong to some other tread, we are talking pure keep taking here)
there is no reason what so ever to try to take a well defended keep....
and that i see is the main reason why we got booring rvr ...
it makes the zerg in Emain..
how to improve it ? no clue what so ever
i think the siege warefare need improvements....
trebs and balistas should be more deadly and easiere to deploy..
we allso need collision check in this game...
ohh and i forgot my Kartago (dunno the english name) should fall rant.... Stealth,AE mezz,Buffs should not have been a part of this game..
about the pvp server..
for my part it will bring some life back to my dieing DAOC playing time...
good things is..
you can speak/taunt to every1
Exp is more exciting..
solo char is closing in on your exp group... it is maybee a bard!!
will he mezz your group or is he asking for a spot ?
relics change a lot (allthough i have not tryed to be high lvl enughf to be a part of that)
it will be fun to watch the euro servers unfold..
a lot ..First of all to all those nice suggestions about keeps ..
mostly it has been idea's about how to make the keep more fun to defend/hold ..
well tbh i think there is much fun in defending a keep. No need to improve that, thing is .. why the hell should you attack a defended keep ?
TBH i think that is 1 of the main points DAOC have failed their own idea...
it is like this ..
infiltrators report 2 hib/mid groups inside Rensais
then albs should do what ???
we could try to gather 4-5 groups to take the keep.. but why ?
1-2 groups could go to mid/hib and take a few of their keeps.. just to anoy em
(the relic threat belong to some other tread
, we are talking pure keep taking here)there is no reason what so ever to try to take a well defended keep....
and that i see is the main reason why we got booring rvr ...
it makes the zerg in Emain..
how to improve it ? no clue what so ever
i think the siege warefare need improvements....
trebs and balistas should be more deadly and easiere to deploy..
we allso need collision check in this game...
ohh and i forgot my Kartago (dunno the english name) should fall rant.... Stealth,AE mezz,Buffs should not have been a part of this game..
about the pvp server..
for my part it will bring some life back to my dieing DAOC playing time...
good things is..
you can speak/taunt to every1
Exp is more exciting..
solo char is closing in on your exp group... it is maybee a bard!!
will he mezz your group or is he asking for a spot ?
relics change a lot (allthough i have not tryed to be high lvl enughf to be a part of that)
it will be fun to watch the euro servers unfold..
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/em targets cplcarrot
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old.Filip
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Forgot something in last post
Cpl you say
Would you sit in a keep 2 RL days to wait for some1 to attack it ?
then after 15 min they deside the keep defence is to strong and they leave ?
Albs have taken fensalir (when i played at least) loads of times mids didnt even try to pull guards....
i know that from an infiltrator point of view defenders only adds to the fun... but ask the tank who bash's the door,get PBAOE killed,rezzed bash's door how fun he think it is?
this is what the majority of the "elite" albs try to do ... only thing is they have bashed loads of doors and got boored with it...
so what is left ? RP farming
you sound like you are 1 month from joining/forming a "RvR guild that shows the albs how to do it rigth"
then a lvl 4x infil will post about how the "elite" albs do this and that and dont get the point with the game ..
Disclaimer: this migth sound like a flame but it is NOT ! any resembles with a flame is purely coincidence!! it is a rant against DOAC not Cpl
Cpl you say
Would you sit in a keep 2 RL days to wait for some1 to attack it ?
then after 15 min they deside the keep defence is to strong and they leave ?
Albs have taken fensalir (when i played at least) loads of times mids didnt even try to pull guards....
i know that from an infiltrator point of view defenders only adds to the fun... but ask the tank who bash's the door,get PBAOE killed,rezzed bash's door how fun he think it is?
this is what the majority of the "elite" albs try to do ... only thing is they have bashed loads of doors and got boored with it...
so what is left ? RP farming
you sound like you are 1 month from joining/forming a "RvR guild that shows the albs how to do it rigth"
then a lvl 4x infil will post about how the "elite" albs do this and that and dont get the point with the game ..
Disclaimer: this migth sound like a flame but it is NOT !
any resembles with a flame is purely coincidence!! it is a rant against DOAC not Cpl
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cplcarrot
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sorry mate, I hear what u say but no I certainly WILL NOT be forming an uber RvR guild. I know (as an inf u learn very quickly who the team players are and who is a greedy git through PvE) at least 16 decent team players now, including Wiseguy, Elvodus, Sabu, Donnergrollen many many more. If anything I will just try group with these people and use a chat group.
RE: why should u take a defended keep.
My answer is because it is fun. Yes maybe tanks get whacked a lot, but look at what happens when killgorde takes renaris every night, he comes out to sauvage and it takes albs about 1hr to react and yet we have 30 people on the teleport.
Im sorry but I just dont buy the "its a defended keep so its tough for tanks" arguement.
RE: why should u take a defended keep.
My answer is because it is fun. Yes maybe tanks get whacked a lot, but look at what happens when killgorde takes renaris every night, he comes out to sauvage and it takes albs about 1hr to react and yet we have 30 people on the teleport.
Im sorry but I just dont buy the "its a defended keep so its tough for tanks" arguement.
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cplcarrot
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Oh and I was at bledmeer for 1 hr last night defending, the point I was trying to make, is we could do as the mids do .
Take a keep, guildyfy it (lol) , Log your mains in there, leave a lookout , play alts, rotate whos on lookout, when albs or hibs attack login your main and kick some ass.
Mids do this ALL the time nearly on guild keeps.
Why oh Why it takes Albions 24hrs to take renaris is another major question I have.
But please.... lets not turn this into a flame post, lets keep it objective and intelligent
Take a keep, guildyfy it (lol) , Log your mains in there, leave a lookout , play alts, rotate whos on lookout, when albs or hibs attack login your main and kick some ass.
Mids do this ALL the time nearly on guild keeps.
Why oh Why it takes Albions 24hrs to take renaris is another major question I have.
But please.... lets not turn this into a flame post, lets keep it objective and intelligent
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hotrat
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Some very good points.
great idea.
Also good, like the idea i had for a 8 vs 8 vs 8 bg. And not just one. Just make a full group, go to bg and wait for the other realms to get a fg each then the portal keep's disappears or something and the fight begins.
Love the ctf idea as well, and the frontier thingie, blocking milegates opening new paths to mpk etc.
Keep attacking does indeed mostly suck, I was thinking about the idea someone had of having clerics, wizards, etc defending keeps (easily possible if u look at isolationists in pennine and how they fight), then i thought eeeek that would make it even harder to take a defended keep
Some serious help is needed for attackers, kinda thought about ladders so you can scale the outer walls, maybe a inner door to compensate for the ease of getting past the outer wall.... I'll think about it some more
great idea.
Also good, like the idea i had for a 8 vs 8 vs 8 bg. And not just one. Just make a full group, go to bg and wait for the other realms to get a fg each then the portal keep's disappears or something and the fight begins.
Love the ctf idea as well, and the frontier thingie, blocking milegates opening new paths to mpk etc.
Keep attacking does indeed mostly suck, I was thinking about the idea someone had of having clerics, wizards, etc defending keeps (easily possible if u look at isolationists in pennine and how they fight), then i thought eeeek that would make it even harder to take a defended keep
Some serious help is needed for attackers, kinda thought about ladders so you can scale the outer walls, maybe a inner door to compensate for the ease of getting past the outer wall.... I'll think about it some more
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quinthar
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I have attempted several times to take defended keeps and its a no win situation.
You need a lot more than the resident inhabitants (By a long way)
It has nowt to do with tanks either, not quite sure where you got that from..
I remember farming at Fens one night, there was maybe 2fg's or Albs and a whole succession of 1FG's of Mids then 2-3 FG's then 5FG's etc etc, we owned them and that applies to most keep raid situation.
If your looking for a guild keep them you dont start with a defended one, its suicide, its boring (Cuz your all gonna die) and its simple futile.
Its no better than trying to get through the amg when the Albs/mids or Hibs have it camped with relativly small numbers.
Zergs blow but they do get through defended amg's.
But you will find when people discover that the wall is caped then most bugger off to emain or odins or alts.
You may think its a sad fact but trust me when you have been successfully farmed for most of the day but albs or mids or whatever, you gotta realise that some things simply arnt worth the hassle.
I usually get 2 deaths in trying to get past amg and then I play with the alt.
You need a lot more than the resident inhabitants (By a long way)
It has nowt to do with tanks either, not quite sure where you got that from..
I remember farming at Fens one night, there was maybe 2fg's or Albs and a whole succession of 1FG's of Mids then 2-3 FG's then 5FG's etc etc, we owned them and that applies to most keep raid situation.
If your looking for a guild keep them you dont start with a defended one, its suicide, its boring (Cuz your all gonna die) and its simple futile.
Its no better than trying to get through the amg when the Albs/mids or Hibs have it camped with relativly small numbers.
Zergs blow but they do get through defended amg's.
But you will find when people discover that the wall is caped then most bugger off to emain or odins or alts.
You may think its a sad fact but trust me when you have been successfully farmed for most of the day but albs or mids or whatever, you gotta realise that some things simply arnt worth the hassle.
I usually get 2 deaths in trying to get past amg and then I play with the alt.
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old.Odysseus
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Cuz its the same ppl doing the hard work every time. I was personally on 5 - yes 5!! - keeptake missions last week.
And I have a business to take care off, so a lot of ppl are doing lot more than me (Tiarta).
5 keeptake tours = approx. 15 keeps. Fun? I dont find it fun.
I dont believe other ppl find it very amusing either, which is why so few show up.
Hence my suggestion to move RvR to the alb frontier, making keeptakes a lesser issue. That post got an astonishing 2!!! replies.
Shows how much ppl care about keeps, retakes etc etc.
Basically i agree with cplparrot (arghh name), too many selfish ppl with too little brain to understand that emain != RP.
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<cough> get back up there
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illu
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Actually - I was going to add something.
I was thinking about all these people that like to dual, that you could teleport to an arena - quake style - where everyone watches from the outside and the winner stays in.
You'd automatically get put into the ring depending on teleporting in order, and everytime the winner wins a round, they get a certain amount of RP. And then say after 10 rounds undefeated, you'd get a bonus and then have to step down for a while.
And you could attack people of your realm - would be amusing.
I was also thinking someone should create a website where people log into it and can check up events. I was thinking say the first Saturday of every month could be monster killing day - with a Dragon Attempt in the am, WoW + equivalents in the pm, and perhaps the DF Legion is it(?) in the evening.
Then every 2nd/3rd/4th Saturday could be Relic Keep attempt, whereby it is arranged that one realm is going to have it's relic keep/s attacked for 12 hours by both the other realms - which would give like lots of players quick and mad battles and the Realm defending would probably make lots of RP's.
Then maybe Sundays could be Braveheart day, where minimal keeps are taken, and everyone just decends to a specific area - the bowl in emain comes to mind, and then everyone just amasses the biggest army possible, and then on the hour of every hour, everyone just steams in, braveheart style
Anyway - off home now
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I was thinking about all these people that like to dual, that you could teleport to an arena - quake style - where everyone watches from the outside and the winner stays in.
You'd automatically get put into the ring depending on teleporting in order, and everytime the winner wins a round, they get a certain amount of RP. And then say after 10 rounds undefeated, you'd get a bonus and then have to step down for a while.
And you could attack people of your realm - would be amusing.
I was also thinking someone should create a website where people log into it and can check up events. I was thinking say the first Saturday of every month could be monster killing day - with a Dragon Attempt in the am, WoW + equivalents in the pm, and perhaps the DF Legion is it(?) in the evening.
Then every 2nd/3rd/4th Saturday could be Relic Keep attempt, whereby it is arranged that one realm is going to have it's relic keep/s attacked for 12 hours by both the other realms - which would give like lots of players quick and mad battles and the Realm defending would probably make lots of RP's.
Then maybe Sundays could be Braveheart day, where minimal keeps are taken, and everyone just decends to a specific area - the bowl in emain comes to mind, and then everyone just amasses the biggest army possible, and then on the hour of every hour, everyone just steams in, braveheart style
Anyway - off home now
Oli - ILLU