Do you think this is a good idea...?

[Lamp]

Identification scanners have been brought in to pubs in south London in a bid to root out troublemakers.

BBC NEWS | England | London | Scanner plan to deter pub trouble

 

[Huntingtons]

shitty idea. If a person isnt in jail he probably hasnt done something, in the eyes of the law that is, wrong yet. Innocent untill proven otherwise. If he has done something wrong he is either:
1. In jail
2. Served his time as shouldnt be hassled about it.
So its seems like they're trying to undermine the power of the legal system.

that said. i didnt read the article and we'll see what i have to say when i read it!

/edit

i like that they blurred her face, but in the video they directly link to you can see her face.

 

[Overdriven]

Actually this works, and I know which club that is As I'm registered on it (for the past 2 years or so) it actually is quite good.

Am for it when it comes to clubbing, takes 5 min to register.

 

[Gorbachioo]

I really dont see that much of a benefit coming from this but it is yet another way our governments are watching us.

Now dont get me wrong, im not one of those loonies who think that theres a government agent watching everything i do, but still its a little worrying that the answer to everything these days is more of this. Just today there was a news that the police will oversee the internet more because of the school murders. As if that would actually help anything.

So im not going to support anything like this unless there are real benefits. Preventing pub brawls is not one.

 

[Raven]

Yes it is a good idea, so long as the data stored safely. Its no different from a membership to the club/pub/whatever really. I would rather be able to go out without worrying about knobends who can't handle their drink ruining the evening.

 

[BloodOmen]

I think its a great idea to piss off underage chav drinkers, pretty much means they can't get into pubs anymore anything to piss off chavs!

 

[Cadelin]

What happens if you don't carry ID? Will you just not be let in?
What happens if there is a problem in the pub? Fight starts off, people responsible leg it. Then what happens? If its a busy pub there could be 10+ people matching the description of the people responsible. Do you have to wait around for your ID to be checked. Even if the police go round the next day to the house of the trouble maker they can't prove anything with just the ID information. They could just claim their ID has been stolen.

If the pub is that well run then I doubt there will be many problems, if the pub is full of under-aged chav drinkers, they won't install a scanner because they will lose most of their business. I can't see this idea working in practise.

 

[Lamp]

According to the news report on the TV last night, although you don't have to give your details to the club / pub, if you don't, you will probably be refused entry. Obviously it can only work IF the people involved can be identified, whether from eye witnesses or from CCTV.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Now dont get me wrong, im not one of those loonies who think that theres a government agent watching everything i do,

Erm...

I really dont see that much of a benefit coming from this but it is yet another way our governments are watching us.

Yes you are

I don't think there's anything wrong with it, hell, clubs can choose their customers already so this is simply helping that.

About watching the internet due to school shootings, yes, it MIGHT prevent something so it MIGHT help.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Erm...



Yes you are

I don't think there's anything wrong with it, hell, clubs can choose their customers already so this is simply helping that.

About watching the internet due to school shootings, yes, it MIGHT prevent something so it MIGHT help.

Im not going to derail this thread again, but the internet censorship wont do shit. The loonies will just post their videos right before they do whatever they are about to do. Its a weak excuse to monitor the only source of information that is completely independent.

 

[Bugz]

If you don't like it - don't go to the fuckin clubs then.

Hello common sense.

 

[CorNokZ]

Is your's tingling aswell Bugz?

 

[Gorbachioo]

If you don't like it - don't go to the fuckin clubs then.

Hello common sense.

Oh yes. If you want to protest something, give up your social life!

Hello common sense?!

 

[Mey]

One of the Bars I go to when I'm back at home has a very similar thing, scans your Driving Licence etc. They also sell your information on, which was nice of them..

 

[Bugz]

Oh yes. If you want to protest something, give up your social life!

Hello common sense?!

It's a voluntary scheme fuckwit.

That means the clubs/pubs decide whether to use them or not. Being private companies, they are prefectly entitled to.

Not every club will use one.

Go to one that doesn't if your such a crybaby over it.

 

[Overdriven]

I actually agree with Bugz on this one..

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thing is, pubs have always had the option to choose customers.

Now that they do it openly, it's a problem.

 

[CorNokZ]

If you don't make any trouble, then it's not a problem.. Is it?

And if you don't like trouble, then I'd say you should go to one of these clubs/pubs

 

[~Latency~]

good news for people who don't want to get hassle on a night out

 

[old.Tohtori]

good news for people who don't want to get hassle on a night out

Well, it's not gonna stop it though.

 

[megadave]

I know a guy who went to a pub and they wouldnt let him in because of the ID system. He said he had no idea why as he'd never been there before but it turned out while he was really drunk he chucked a drink over a girl and smacked a bouncer. Don't see the problem there.

 

[Bugz]

Well, it's not gonna stop it though.

It'll cut it down substantially though.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It'll cut it down substantially though.

True, but one shouldn't think it'll stop it completely and then be shocked when they get their face punched in.

 

[Gorbachioo]

It's a voluntary scheme fuckwit.

That means the clubs/pubs decide whether to use them or not. Being private companies, they are prefectly entitled to.

Not every club will use one.

Go to one that doesn't if your such a crybaby over it.

And if it catches on and all clubs start using them?

 

[CorNokZ]

And if it catches on and all clubs start using them?

Then you should stop making trouble, behave nicely, registre at the club and have a nice night out?

 

[Sparx]

I worked it in clubbing scene for ages and its one place you dont want your personal details to be held, they whore you details to all the other clubs for fees so you get spammed to shit about every gay night they put on. Trust me i know, i've been involved with it

 

[Bugz]

And if it catches on and all clubs start using them?

Then the club and pub owners have obviously done enough market research to conclude that the cost to benefit ratio is beneficial enough for them to start using the device permanently.

The social outcome is favorable - the private income is favorable - Gorb is unhappy.

Do we give a fuck about Gorb? No.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Then the club and pub owners have obviously done enough market research to conclude that the cost to benefit ratio is beneficial enough for them to start using the device permanently.

The social outcome is favorable - the private income is favorable - Gorb is unhappy.

Do we give a fuck about Gorb? No.

And then, in a couple of decades, we'll notice that these things are everywhere and that our every move is recorded.

If you think that thats a good thing (and it has benefits i know) then okay. But i think we should understand the consequences before we start this process unknowingly thinking that it'll be "just this".

 

[Zenith]

If you don't like it - don't go to the fuckin clubs then.

Hello common sense.

I believe the threadstarter intended the discussion to be about the idealogy behind it, not wether you should or should not go said club.

 

[Zenith]

If you don't make any trouble, then it's not a problem.. Is it?

And if you don't like trouble, then I'd say you should go to one of these clubs/pubs

Bullshit argument. Now I dont live in Denmark, but I would expect it to be quite like Sweden. Ever heard about doorguards comiting 100% perjury and lying in court (if crimes of said nature even reach court). Its naive to think that noone innocent will be held for a crime he didnt commit. Then what, he's instantly banned from the nightclubs?