Do you think people should...

[old.Tohtori]

I'm gonna say no.

The balance of "reduced scum" vs "freedom of people" tips a bit.

 

[megadave]

Said no, don't even need to think about a question like that.

 

[confused]

And sterilise the ones that fail it? Yeah sounds good to me

 

[Thorwyn]

The idea goes against the "equal rights for everyone", which is a basic column of our society. What´s the next step? Only those who can "afford" to raise a kid may have one? Every attempt to control those fundamental elements of our society is bound to fail, prone to abuse and highly unethical.

 

[Huntingtons]

And sterilise the ones that fail it? Yeah sounds good to me

that doesnt give them the chace to do the test once more and pass.

its a retarded idea.

 

[Shagrat]

or maybe just provide proper sex/family planning education in school so people know what to expect.

Stopping people from having babies because they are too old, are mental in some way or whatever is far far far too close to Fascism for me to even remotely think of clicking yes.


People need to be educated on how to do things right, not just told they cant do things at all.....

 

[Zenith]

Purely out of interest, why is it a human right to reproduce?

I can't remeber seeing that bit in the human rights act?

Maybe I missed it, it was a long time ago that i read it.

Is all of the human "rights" ( I dont like the "rights" part, since the term is really human made and not ultimate ) listed in the human rights act?

Reproduce is what have been one of the few things being so basic for the human species since day one, who are we taking that option away for people? Please, dont try to act like some kind of God, no human or group of humans can take on that role.

 

[Zenith]

Plus, you come to the point to which you always come to in these questions; who is going to decide what is right and what is wrong and how is the "test" going to be done? Would you, in the event of these tests being real, really stand being denied to have a child, if you do fail the test?

 

[CorNokZ]

And what if people without a license got a child? What should the punishment be?

 

[Ezteq]

yes.

been saying it for years, people need a license to own a gun, a car even a dog in some countires but any damn fool can have and have the right to keep a child.

it baffles me it really does, especially when you look at the two total retards that created me, how they were allowed to have children totally mystifies me beyond all comprehension.

Speaking personally as the product of people unfit to care for a bag of flour let alone a child I strongly agree that people should be tested before they have them and if they screw up they should be prevented from ever having kids (or flour for that matter) again because the damage they do is immeasurable.

and irreversible tbh.

 

[russell]

There is definately something needed as I feel bad parenting is the root cause of so many of the problems in today's culture.

Not sure about licenses -implementation, fairness and the black market side of things concern me (all the murders/suicides in China over the one child policy, all the deaths and tortures of back street abortions when it was illegal etc)

But I agree that some parents are crap and abusive and unfit. What annoys me most is the benefit culture -and people just increasing their families to increase their benefits and the cycle of teenage mums producing teenage mums. Rahhhhhhh. Maybe people should be 'chemically sterislised' whilst on benefits and only allowed to have that reversed when they prove they are earning to support their family. But again -hard to implement and room for fraud...I dont know-its really hard but unless something is done we are doomed.

 

[Lamp]

Short answer: NO

 

[CorNokZ]

And what if people without a license got a child? What should the punishment be?

Still waiting for an answer from the 20 people who said yes..

 

[Bugz]

Wow.

Half the people think yes.

That's...just...scary.

Here's a question for you all: if you can promote the denying of the right for a person to have a baby via law, does that authorize you the right to let people die according to law too.

Hitler's Nazi 'Law' was to get rid of Jews. Is that allowed under your sense of thinking?

 

[Gorbachioo]

Wow.

Half the people think yes.

That's...just...scary.

Here's a question for you all: if you can promote the denying of the right for a person to have a baby via law, does that authorize you the right to let people die according to law too.

Hitler's Nazi 'Law' was to get rid of Jews. Is that allowed under your sense of thinking?

Yes. Exterminating minorities is the same thing as not allowing people to have kids. Good thinking.

 

[CorNokZ]

Yes. Exterminating minorities is the same thing as not allowing people to have kids. Good thinking.

Basically it is.. Hitler tried to choose who could reproduce and who couldn't

Now you want your laws to do the same?

 

[Gorbachioo]

Basically it is.. Hitler tried to choose who could reproduce and who couldn't

Now you want your laws to do the same?

Noo... Hitler murdered people because of their ethnicity.

I would only support something like this if it were applied only to violent criminals like i said. Comparing that with nazism is ridiculous.

From a purely moral point of view, is it wrong for society to intervene if a pedophile and a murderer want to have kids? Is that reaaaaaally something that should be allowed?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Noo... Hitler murdered people because of their ethnicity.

I would only support something like this if it were applied only to violent criminals like i said. Comparing that with nazism is ridiculous.

From a purely moral point of view, is it wrong for society to intervene if a pedophile and a murderer want to have kids? Is that reaaaaaally something that should be allowed?

Well, where do you draw the line on criminals then?

Jaywalking and only one kid.
Murder and snip the tubes?

Not going to correct any nazi comments.

 

[soze]

LOL not wanting to let scum bags breed more scumbags the same as Nazi Germany I like that. Do you know they have put a speed camera at the end of my road this means i cant speed which is just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews.

 

[old.Tohtori]

LOL not wanting to let scum bags breed more scumbags

So, only if you're a criminal, you breed more criminals?

That's a silly view.

PArents effect the upbringing of children ofcourse, but it's not a simple case of "parent is a criminal = child is a criminal".

 

[Mikah75]

Ofcourse not that would be ridiculous. How dare government have the right to govern who is deemed worthy of convieving, I think the idea is completely absurd. They would create a list of required characteristics in which they would deem necessary for raising children which obviously would be very conservative attributes. Would take the biscuit, just another form of control, no one should have the power to do what you're suggesting.

Also many people never even dream of having children until they accidently get pregnant, in which case they see it as a blessing. Furthermore, what happens to the women who are with child but are deemed an unfit parent; so what? government departments would just go round with police to their homes, cuff them and go perform an abortion.

What you're suggesting could have good intentions to begin with to spare many children, however the consequences of a state attaining that kind of control is a step beyond censorship, in which we live in a democracy with freedom of choice however the outcome would surely lead to totalitarianism and quite possibly dictatorship. Perhaps a little far fetched, but it's a step towards it.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Well, where do you draw the line on criminals then?

Jaywalking and only one kid.
Murder and snip the tubes?

Not going to correct any nazi comments.

Something like that.

Where would i draw the line? I dont know. Somewhere around rape i guess. Im not going to start arguing over the details.

People here talk about our rights, but as far as im concerned, if you rape or murder someone you give up your rights. Taking away the rights of a murderer is not the same thing as taking away our rights.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Something like that.

Where would i draw the line? I dont know. Somewhere around rape i guess. Im not going to start arguing over the details.

But the details are the defining factor if something is a good idea or not.

 

[Sparx]

i cant believe its actually 50/50 right now. So many people complain about Speed Cameras and the Congestion Charge but are all for the Government deciding who is and who isnt allowed to have children

 

[old.Tohtori]

i cant believe its actually 50/50 right now. So many people complain about Speed Cameras and the Congestion Charge but are all for the Government deciding who is and who isnt allowed to have children

Thing is, people want a "cleansing" of the human race, just not the cleansing of "politically incorrect" things.

Twofaced to say the least

 

[Mikah75]

Also people are too naive in their decision not thinking the repercussions through fully, assuming its just walking in, aww shame im not allowed kids ok! without the consequences of further implications which will occur.

 

[Zenith]

LOL not wanting to let scum bags breed more scumbags the same as Nazi Germany I like that. Do you know they have put a speed camera at the end of my road this means i cant speed which is just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews.

Sooooo... You say just becouse your parents have made the wrong choices, you're automatically set to do the same? Interesting view of it, going against most philosopical and psychology statements

 

[Zenith]

It also seems you are going against one of the most basic lawmechanics ( atleast it is Sweden and I guess in most places aswell ) that its basicly better to let a few guilty criminals go free instead of having one innocent human locked up. One of the reasons there is no deathpenalty plus why some charges are lower than most think it should be. Would you really be sound asleep at night knowing that some citizens is not only being locked up wrongly, but been stripped the very basic right to reproduce? With our system you know it will happend.

 

[CorNokZ]

I'm bedazzled that so many people have voted 'yes'.. Ignorance at it's finest imo

 

[old.Tohtori]

It also seems you are going against one of the most basic lawmechanics ( atleast it is Sweden and I guess in most places aswell ) that its basicly better to let a few guilty criminals go free instead of having one innocent human locked up. One of the reasons there is no deathpenalty plus why some charges are lower than most think it should be. Would you really be sound asleep at night knowing that some citizens is not only being locked up wrongly, but been stripped the very basic right to reproduce? With our system you know it will happend.

Like about 10k of people who get locked up innocent in the states every year, or whatever the figure last was.

A lot of people sit in jail innocent, without any reason.