Do you think people should...

[Access Denied]

Be made to qualify for a license before having children? And by that I mean a full psychological workup, CRB check etc, etc. Sticky issue but I firmly believe it would go a long way towards reducing the amount of child abuse.

 

[Olgaline]

what would you do with all dem babies of whomes parents where found unworthy ?
and who would be charged with this responcibility to deside who gets to keep thier babies and who dose not ?

In a beautiful Idealistic world ? sure, but in such a world such a notion would be void by defult, so I guess..I'm left with No ?


However,
Goverments/authorities should put far greater priorities into "policing" borderline cases, and step efficiency and consiquence where lack of care is noticed.

 

[CorNokZ]

People were put on earth to reproduce, so let people reproduce

/thread

 

[Billargh]

I like Chinas idea of one child per family really, a lot easier to keep the scrotes under control then. And I say this because this permit idea is silly.

 

[Mabs]

tricky argument
i dont object to the idea of chemical castration for people who are found unfit afterwards

but how do you design a test before hand ?

they could prevent it a lot easier by giving more and better training to the health visitors and employ more so they are less rushed , and allow them to be more.. invasive in their checks if need be.

 

[Overdriven]

Yes.

 

[Lakih]

It is required when you are adopting a child why not extend it to also incudes children you creat yourself... slap on a hefty stupidity tax and/or jail if you are naughty naughty and plop out one even if you fail the test.

I strongly objects on any nazi snip-snip of ze balls or other private parts if you fail the test.

Although this wouldnt be possible as there are way to many factors to include... what happens if you get raped and have a child and then fails the test, etc etc...

Interesting thought tho.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Let's ask it this way;

Do you think mentally challenged people should have same rights as normal people?

Do you think "depression" is enough to deny a baby?

How about being an immigrant? Say, somalian people who moved to the UK?

It's not so simple to answer yes and no, without defining exact parameters on what the control would be.

 

[Chronictank]

I dont like the permit idea because it is open to abuse, for example person who gives out permits could just as easily blackmail parents
What happens to foreign people coming in with families?

A limit by reducing benefits based on the number of children you have like they do in china sounds like a good idea tho

 

[Zenith.UK]

Impractical and wouldn't work.
When I first became a father, I was simply not ready to be a dad. It took me two years "on the job" training to finally get *okay* at it.
When #2 turned up, it was far easier.
#3 turned up last year and he's so easy it's almost negligent.

It takes practice to be a parent and I don't believe a test prior to becoming a parent can give you a realistic impression of the person.

 

[CorNokZ]

I can't believe the votes right now are 50/50..

 

[Sparx]

its a basic human right to have children and no democratic society would impose such a thing

 

[CorNokZ]

its a basic human right to have children and no democratic society would impose such a thing

this

 

[fettoken]

How the heck do you come up with these foolish ideas? Foolish fool!

 

[Olgaline]

We need the Laddeys of this world!

 

[CorNokZ]

We need the Laddeys of this world!

Fuck off.. Laddey is a good guy and you can find people a lot worse than him

 

[Chronictank]

We need the Laddeys of this world!

thats a bit harsh, he tries his best and doesnt hurt people


edit: wait olgaline's comment was a joke wasnt it? doh ><

 

[Olgaline]

edit: wait olgaline's comment was a joke wasnt it? doh ><

and yet the humor, she is lost on some :/
I have nothing against Laddey what so ever,

 

[soze]

I grew up on a council estate and a fair few of my mates grew up in houses that did not care about them and only wanted money, I have seen how they have now grown up so i would if possible stop every male having children using reversable drugs. Then you would have to apply to have a child and prove you had the means to care for the child.

I know it could never happen and its probably a really bad idea but i know to many people who have turned into horrid pricks because they had no boundaries or rules growing up. I know not every person claiming child benifits are playing the system but the ones that are piss me off.

 

[Raven]

Got to stop the scummers from breeding somehow.

 

[Dahakon]

yes yes and thrice yes. The amount of fucked up scum out there who spawn and just make loads of more fucked up kids is disgusting imo. Ignoring the over population on this planet, just look at the fact that apparently 1 chile a week! is killed by the abuse or neglect of their parents, and you see what I mean.

 

[Mey]

Purely out of interest, why is it a human right to reproduce?

I can't remeber seeing that bit in the human rights act?

Maybe I missed it, it was a long time ago that i read it.

 

[Huntingtons]

if its to prevent the cases that Soze speaks of it would be rediculous. there's better and easier and cheaper ways to sort that.
this thought has always disgustet me and always will, that i am certain of.

 

[fettoken]

Completely irrelevant question to begin with, because this will never happen. And discussing it won't do any good either.

 

[kiliarien]

Impractical and wouldn't work.
When I first became a father, I was simply not ready to be a dad. It took me two years "on the job" training to finally get *okay* at it.
When #2 turned up, it was far easier.
#3 turned up last year and he's so easy it's almost negligent.

It takes practice to be a parent and I don't believe a test prior to becoming a parent can give you a realistic impression of the person.

True, but the issue isn't really just the character of the person to be 'ready' but also their background. Those who are characteristically better equipped tend to be older and have a socio-economic steading to aid them.

its a basic human right to have children and no democratic society would impose such a thing

It's also a basic human right to shit in public but it's not acceptable. It's a grey area as to whether reproduction (either intentionally or unintentionally) should have more stringent ethical consdierations that we a nation can actually make those of realistically child-bearing age consider.

I grew up on a council estate and a fair few of my mates grew up in houses that did not care about them and only wanted money, I have seen how they have now grown up so i would if possible stop every male having children using reversable drugs. Then you would have to apply to have a child and prove you had the means to care for the child.

I know it could never happen and its probably a really bad idea but i know to many people who have turned into horrid pricks because they had no boundaries or rules growing up. I know not every person claiming child benifits are playing the system but the ones that are piss me off.

Mentioned it many times - I teach in a rough part of Kent in England. There is no doubt the vast majority of our wayward kids lack boundaries at home for various reasons. Good parenting makes a huge difference - licences aren't the way forward, but education and support for parents is. On another note similarly, many of the girls who leave my school see pregnancy as a way to get a free house and benefits, so we also need to critically analyse what opportunities are available to young people to not only avoid the 'welfare trap' of freebies, but also to let them aspire to something they actually want to achieve.

I like Chinas idea of one child per family really, a lot easier to keep the scrotes under control then. And I say this because this permit idea is silly.

It worked in that it saved the country an extra 350 million people, but then it was their own fault for spending 30 years saying 5-6 child families was a good thing for the economy before that. Let us not forget the female infanticide rates - there were literally thousands of female babies left by roadsides to die, there were even special spots where they were left and undetectable ways (by their medical standards) to kill them. The massive male population increases has also led to higher crime rates (yes, us men are bastards).

It is a debate that will continue for a long time, and well done Access for kicking off an good thread imo.

 

[Cadiva]

Be made to qualify for a license before having children? And by that I mean a full psychological workup, CRB check etc, etc. Sticky issue but I firmly believe it would go a long way towards reducing the amount of child abuse.

Yes, I've got an almost one-year-old, I'm a fairly rational person, I'm also 39-years-old so I've had a lot of "life experience" for want of a better way of putting it and there are times I've had to put my son down in a safe place and leave the room because of how angry or frustrated he's made me.

People should be mentally prepared to have children and a lot of those having them aren't, a lot think they're the next designer accessory to have after the house, the husband, the car, next comes the kid. Others don't have the social skills to look after themselves, never mind a child.

Having a child changes your life, even if you think you're prepared for it, you're not, but God it's the best thing I've ever done with my life

 

[Gorbachioo]

Although i would like to see some population reduction measures to be taken im a little hesitant in giving a government official that kind of power.

But i think it could be applied to violent criminals and so on. So i guess im sort of sitting on the fence on this one.

 

[Amanita]

No.

You think the government are over controlling us now? Wait until they start controlling breeding.

Its a stone's throw away from breeding programs.

 

[Everz]

Yes and no, you can't take away the right for people to have kids but to mentally prepare them for having a child is important, i know i couldnt right now as i have to short a fuse.

 

[Gwadien]

Stupid thread imho - More police will have to be put out, to regulate this for a start, taking babies of people, and where would they go?

My mum does the supernanny thing where you regulate childs behaviour and there's more cases where it goes right than wrong