Do you smoke?

[Rhana]

driving automobiles when i have to walk through the streets.

im sure the fumes have a negative effect on my health.

and well, im not sure why i should bother to list more.

feel free to cut the crappy sarcastic comments, of course i understand the legal system :\

....So why post this at the first place?

 

[Rhana]

The world is overpopulated, resources are running dry, if people wanna knock themselves off and take a few with em who am i to argue?

Just dont do it to me.

The world isnt ower populated, just badly run and crowded up in serten spots... I heard that vulcano craters and the big deserts are excelent place for smoking in w/o anyone oneone there to politely start coffing beside..

.. No, I didnt realy ment to deport all smokers to a dengures area.. That would be inhuman of me, right.. And I care about the health of the person beside me (hehe, heck, Im paying for his health care aswell! )

 

[tris-]

....So why post this at the first place?

why post what exactly? the person implied i have only just grasped the concept of the legal system. which ofc, is a ludacris thing to say.

 

[Bugz]

Not entirely true. Drink-driving can put others at risk and when drunk you can cause harm to other people.

It's a flawed arguement however. If you are found to be drink-driving and you put another person at risk, you will receive some kind of criminal justice.

Passive smoking does not bring about criminal justice.

 

[Dorimor1]

It's a flawed arguement however. If you are found to be drink-driving and you put another person at risk, you will receive some kind of criminal justice.

Passive smoking does not bring about criminal justice.

Yes thats correct I guess.

 

[Levin]

why post what exactly? the person implied i have only just grasped the concept of the legal system. which ofc, is a ludacris thing to say.

I believe that person was me. My sarcastic comment was in response to this comment by you:

so if only smokers lose that freedom how is that fair?

everyone should lose all their rights to harm other people.
not just smokers.

To me that sounded as if you didn't know that everyone already has, since long, lost their rights to harm other people - that's what most civilized countries' legal systems do! I then added the point that indeed, smoking is one of the last legal ways to harm others. I apologize if you took offense to my sarcasm, as I didn't aim to piss you off.

As for the comparison with cars and their exhaust fumes - i think the discussion about useful versus useless to the society comes into play here. Scientists are well on their way to create clean cars, and until that happens there's a collective understanding that cars are a necessary evil, as most of our infrastructure would collapse without proper transportation. I don't think there's any such understanding about smoking.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, i smoke.

Not 20 a day, so crappy choices.

I believe that my smoking saves lives, 'cause if i couldn't "cool down" with a ciggy, i'd probably kill someone.

Don't like smoke? Go away.

You say "But i have a right to be everywhere".

Yeah, so do i. As said, go away if it bothers you. It's as much of a your "responsibility" as it is mine.

 

[noblok]

Tohtori, your argument is flawed. Here's what you say: person A has the right to be at spot X. Person B has the right to be at spot X. If person B goes to spot X, person A harms him. Person B should either take the damage if he likes to be there or not go there. Now, replace "harm" with "kill/rape/any other crime" and you'll see it doesn't make sense. While I agree that it is rather silly to go to smokey places if you can't stand it, this doesn't make it right.

My main point was about public places though, such as train stations, banks, etc. Whether or not pubs should be considered as public places, I'm not sure.

 

[old.Tohtori]

"harms" i would say.

The amount of "second hand smoke" that you get outside is ridicilously small, if any.

You can take two steps to the right if you believe you're in "grave danger".

It's just what ticks me off, anti-smokers going all zealot.

I'd say it's a small bad habbit compared to the crap people do.

But, everyone has the right to be at spot X, but person A and B have the same rights to be there.

If the law doesn't deny it, it's nobody's whaznot.

EDIT: But, it's pointless to argue about this. Non smokers keep whining and i won't be changing. Simple.

 

[Naffets]

Used to, gave up 4 years ago

 

[Thadius]

Hmm, I say ban cars if you ban smoking imo

Poor Teh Seels ice float is melting because you lazy buggers are too lazy to walk!

 

[Penguin]

Well, i smoke.

Not 20 a day, so crappy choices.

I believe that my smoking saves lives, 'cause if i couldn't "cool down" with a ciggy, i'd probably kill someone.

Don't like smoke? Go away.

You say "But i have a right to be everywhere".

Yeah, so do i. As said, go away if it bothers you. It's as much of a your "responsibility" as it is mine.

But do you have a right to harm others? No.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But do you have a right to harm others? No.

No, but if anyone gets cancer from my smoke, i'll be sure to send a get well soon card.

Actually, i do have the right to smoke so...guess i do have the right.

 

[Mey]

Jesus Christ... It hasn't actually been proven that it harms you ffs, its a correlational study, that is they take X thing and Measure it with Y..

There is proberly more correlation with your name and getting cancer than there is with smoking and getting cancer.. Smoking "may" trigger cancer, but it certainly doesn't cause it..

I walk around alot because due to medical problems atm i'm not allowed to drive, if its raining i get wet because cars drive through puddles, that causes me harm - i may get a cold! can we ban cars now?

 

[Cozak]

Jesus Christ... It hasn't actually been proven that it harms you ffs, its a correlational study, that is they take X thing and Measure it with Y..

There is proberly more correlation with your name and getting cancer than there is with smoking and getting cancer.. Smoking "may" trigger cancer, but it certainly doesn't cause it..

I walk around alot because due to medical problems atm i'm not allowed to drive, if its raining i get wet because cars drive through puddles, that causes me harm - i may get a cold! can we ban cars now?

 

[Rhana]

why post what exactly? the person implied i have only just grasped the concept of the legal system. which ofc, is a ludacris thing to say.

Well, if you have understood it, Why go on trafic problem ect.. isnt that a bit irrelevant to the subject of the thread?

 

[Thadius]

Lol

 

[Penguin]

No, but if anyone gets cancer from my smoke, i'll be sure to send a get well soon card.

Actually, i do have the right to smoke so...guess i do have the right.

Both rights clash and tbh it's not necessairily about if it's legal or not, it's about if it's right that you should be able to or do cause harm to others. If people want to smoke thats fine with me. I can handle smoke around me. I think however that there should be specific places designated for smokers or specific smoking bars as it's unfair on others who don't want their lungs plastered with tar or other problems associated with smoking.

 

[Penguin]

I walk around alot because due to medical problems atm i'm not allowed to drive, if its raining i get wet because cars drive through puddles, that causes me harm - i may get a cold! can we ban cars now?

Thats a retarded arguement again. I believe you can get fined for splashing pedestrians by driving through puddles anyway so next time get the registration plate. If it's raining you're probably going to get wet anyway. Maybe i should be able to report those who blow smoke in my face - Throw a fine their way?

Cars have their benifits clearly. Excluding tax revenue what are the benifits of smoking? Stress relief?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Both rights clash and tbh it's not necessairily about if it's legal or not, it's about if it's right that you should be able to or do cause harm to others. If people want to smoke thats fine with me. I can handle smoke around me. I think however that there should be specific places designated for smokers or specific smoking bars as it's unfair on others who don't want their lungs plastered with tar or other problems associated with smoking.

There always has been the non smoking area, atleast around here.

But that wasn't enough, now you anti-smokers get your wish and throw us outside.

Bloody nations the lot.

That'll solve it, 20+ smokers outside a pub blowing smoke so the non smokers can enjoy their smokefree bar, by walking through a thick smokecloud.

 

[Thadius]

There always has been the non smoking area, atleast around here.

But that wasn't enough, now you anti-smokers get your wish and throw us outside.

Bloody nations the lot.

That'll solve it, 20+ smokers outside a pub blowing smoke so the non smokers can enjoy their smokefree bar, by walking through a thick smokecloud.

But wouldnt that damage the ozone layer, thus causing globing warming and melting your icefloat?

 

[old.Tohtori]

But wouldnt that damage the ozone layer, thus causing globing warming and melting your icefloat?

My icefloat is sinking because of people living

75% of all pollution comes from housing...sad world...

 

[Thadius]

My icefloat is sinking because of people living

75% of all pollution comes from housing...sad world...

So we should all come and live on your icefloat?

Plenty of blubber around to eat

 

[Thadius]

 

[Penguin]

There always has been the non smoking area, atleast around here.

But that wasn't enough, now you anti-smokers get your wish and throw us outside.

Bloody nations the lot.

That'll solve it, 20+ smokers outside a pub blowing smoke so the non smokers can enjoy their smokefree bar, by walking through a thick smokecloud.

I never said the solution was to "throw you" outside. But as you've said it, people tend to spend more time inside the bars than the time spent in the entrance/outside before walking in - Atleast i do - Thats a big cut down in exposure to your nasty smoke, but as i said before i don't really mind that much. I doubt many people will mind walking past a tiny group of smokers, it's not 1/2 as bad outside as it is inside anyway

 

[Sharma]

I never said the solution was to "throw you" outside. But as you've said it, people tend to spend more time inside the bars than the time spent in the entrance/outside before walking in - Atleast i do - Thats a big cut down in exposure to your nasty smoke, but as i said before i don't really mind that much. I doubt many people will mind walking past a tiny group of smokers, it's not 1/2 as bad outside as it is inside anyway

Ever seen the clip of Billy Connoly doing Stand-up and imitating someone coming over going "EEEEEEEEEEEEERG *cough* cough*" and his response being "I HAVENT EVEN FUCKING LIT IT YOU WANKER!" ?

That's pretty much the reaction of most non-smokers I've came across in my area, it's quite pathetic if anything. Most will complain about the 'not being able to breathe in this area' even when people aren't smoking (had people say this to me while im just stood there rolling one up).

Thankfully most of my friends and most of the people I know infact don't really give a toss about it, I know for one thing most of the pubs and clubs in Middlesbrough would try to challenge it, sad fact is it's a blanket ban coming up so they really don't have a say. I think the bans the wrong way to go about it, they're shooting themselves in the foot in a lot of respects because from speculation in my area, the pubs and clubs will lose a lot of business with people in favor of going "Well I can't smoke in a pub, i'll just drink at home". Now you would think from a non-smokers POV that it's heaven, for business, no.

As an un-related issue, I don't think people will ever stop taking up the habit, you can force "Smoking is addictive! Don't start" down our necks every bloody day if you like, it won't help things, sure you can educate people on what will happen, peer-pressure plays a part and despite that I actually started of my own accord despite the health warnings (My first smoke was actually a joint but whatever). I KNOW i'm addicted, I KNOW i'm killing myself because of it, I KNOW the health implications. Do I really care? Nope not really, I like the taste of it, if other people don't well, that's their problem isn't it?

A few of the bars in Ingleby Barwick (My old living area) had it right and had a non-smoking area/food area and a smoking area, one thing I do remember which was quite funny was someone walking into the smoking area and complaining about the smoke, to which the manager of the pub said "You're quite welcome to fuck off or move to the food area, there's a big sign on the door to here saying this is the smoking area, so pay attention and shut it.".

I realise second hand smoke can damage peoples' health, which is why I always blow my smoke away from people and hold my cigarette in a place where I know the smoke isn't blowing, despite all this I STILL get people complaining about it, to this my response is normally "Well fucking move then!" I'm very stubborn over it and to over-sensitive people who LOVE to have an axe to grind with the nearest person who irks them even the slightest bit.

The blanket ban on smoking may cull it a bit, but i'd say there are still a large majority of people who actually like having a good smoke to chill out (I know I do).

 

[tris-]

rofl sharma.

take advantage while we can dude. august isnt it when it comes in action?

im the same as you. if a none smoker is in MY CAR, i ask them if i can smoke. im not a twat. if they say no then i wait untill we can stop so i can get out. on a side note - do you really think our pubs/clubs will take note of the ban? im betting a couple wont tbh.

i guess i will see you outside sometime

 

[Penguin]

The blanket ban on smoking may cull it a bit, but i'd say there are still a large majority of people who actually like having a good smoke to chill out (I know I do).

Well you two actually sound like quite nice people from the circumstances you mentioned where you go out of your way not to force smoke on others

I wouldn't agree though that a large majority of people like to smoke? Most of the people i know don't actually smoke, it's just a few i know that do. Perhaps different in your area or whatever.

Again .. i'm not actually against smoking myself but i can see why some people complain

 

[Sharma]

I wouldn't agree though that a large majority of people like to smoke? Most of the people i know don't actually smoke, it's just a few i know that do. Perhaps different in your area or whatever.

Sorry if I wasn't clear on that, meant people that smoke anyway, it's sort of a split though, I know a few that smoke and hate the habit yet they can't bring themselves to quit, on the other hand, I know quite a fair amount that like nothing more than sitting back in their garden and having a cigarette after work or whatever they've been doing.

 

[leviathane]

im the same as you. if a none smoker is in MY CAR, i ask them if i can smoke. im not a twat. if they say no then i wait untill we can stop so i can get out. on a side note - do you really think our pubs/clubs will take note of the ban? im betting a couple wont tbh.

heh your obviously too kind for your own good, personally i think if it's your car then go ahead n do wtf you want in it