Do you smoke?

[Cazedy]

just as littel that I have experienced what you appearently goes through when going out.. If everything smells like shit and pjuke to you, stay at home.. You can allways sit in the smokeroom /shrugs

I'm out every weekend tyvm, and i never rly complain about this new law, just when u brought it up as a rly good one i just said why i think its not as good.

As i said i rather have the smoke smell then the puke, fart, sweat, smell, that didnt get noticed before this new law, but hey thats just me mayhaps i dunno.

And i know its not as bad as i made it sound like but u still smell it at times, as u said some pros about the law i just said a few cons. The end

 

[Raven]

i smoke, i plan on giving up on monday though, move house tomorrow but got friends coming down over the weekend, not going to smoke in the new place but would be stupid to try not to smoke when i go out saturday night.

all for banning smoking in restaurants, hate the smell of smoke when i am eating. think its stupid to ban it in pubs, its part of the proper pub atmosphere, pint and a fag.

if they banned smoking the NHS would collapse and other taxes would increase, people wouldnt be so happy then

 

[Outlander]

guys smoking i dont give a toss tbh. girls smoking though can be sooooo sexy imo

I loves girls smoking tbh, tis a right turn on

 

[noblok]

I don't know the figures in England, but in Belgium smoking costs the state more than it generates.

 

[Kagato]

Whilst I support the law personally I think they should just ban cigarettes completely. Its just a license to kill yourself and other people.

Its simply disgusting and I have broken up with girlfriends before due to them smoking and wont ever date a girl who smokes again, the stench clings to their hair, clothes, the sheets and its a complete turn off. And what would be the point when in 10 years they'll probably have some smoking related desease due to it anyway.

The sooner we have the law the better.

And for the record, yes I have tried it when I was out drinking with mates, and I honestly couldn't see what all the fuss was about.

 

[Gamah]

guys smoking i dont give a toss tbh. girls smoking though can be sooooo sexy imo

I loves girls smoking tbh, tis a right turn on

...freak

 

[Chronictank]

if they banned smoking the NHS would collapse and other taxes would increase, people wouldnt be so happy then

actually no, it wouldnt
as i said before the income to the government through smoking is just a drop in the ocean and the difference will be negligble#

i know. what im saying is how can you say the money will go back into the economy, when we really dont know?

im sure out of all the population there must be more than just me who would do something like that.

actually you will find the majority of money will go back into the economy, be it via taxes when you keep it in the bank , or via most the things you buy.
the ammount people spend per annum on illegal things on the whole is pretty minimal to be very honest otherwise more would be done to counter it as it would be a epedemic

 

[Mey]

I smoke and I’m a fucking retard (according to all you smoking-banning lovers).

When you get some serve psychology disorder (when I get my degree/master that is – hopefully) or need a bereavement counsellor, I’ll say no I’m sorry I can’t help you I smoke and thus I’m a retard.. Sorry…

“Passive Smoking” – how can you “passive” smoke, you either chose to stand there, or you don’t want to smoke and therefore move away from the smoker. Simple? Can’t see how that’s “passive”.

 

[tris-]

Whilst I support the law personally I think they should just ban cigarettes completely.

me too. then all the smoke houses would boom and flood the streets with 3 quid packs of fags. sounds good to me.

 

[noblok]

Mey, you don't have the right to harm people, because they know you will harm them and can avoid you.

 

[Chronictank]

“Passive Smoking” – how can you “passive” smoke, you either chose to stand there, or you don’t want to smoke and therefore move away from the smoker. Simple? Can’t see how that’s “passive”.

read back the replies in this thread and you will get your answer
fact: if you smoke in a room the smoke will still linger in the air, the furniture, the fabrics on the walls etc etc.. it doesnt just dissapear.
Therefore anyone else coming into the room will breathe it in

If there wasnt smokers (abliet a minority) who smoked inside there would be no reason for a law against it. unfortunately people are inherently selfish so laws and rules are needed

 

[Mey]

Well i don't smoke inside unless im in a pub, i think that people who walk into a pub and expect it not to be smokey are fucking stupid. Full stop.

You talk about "freedom" for people who don't want to smoke, where is my "freedom" to smoke?

And can you actually prove it "kills" people?

 

[Chronictank]

And can you actually prove it "kills" people?

yes
your not a retard for smoking, but nor are you particularly intelligent if you think it doesnt harm yourself (which personally i couldnt care less about, its your life), and people around you

The study reveals that, on average, smokers die 10 years younger than non-smokers.

SAN FRANCISCO — Scientists at an influential California agency have concluded that secondhand smoke causes breast cancer, a finding that could have broad impact on cancer research and lead to even tougher anti-smoking regulations.

Importantly, the study also showed that smoking is an independent risk factor for haemorrhagic stroke, the most common type of stroke in Asia and more likely than ischaemic stroke to lead to death within a short period.

he California EPA identified passive smoking as a risk factor for the following:

Childbirth and infancy
Low birthweight
Cot death (SIDS)

Illnesses in children
Middle ear infection
Asthma (induction & exacerbation)
Bronchitis (induction & exacerbation)
Pneumonia (induction & exacerbation)

Illnesses in adults
Heart disease
Stroke
Lung cancer
Nasal cancer

 

[tris-]

i think these facts only refer to the smokers them selves.

in which case - why do you care if people are killing them selves?

 

[Chronictank]

i think these facts only refer to the smokers them selves.

in which case - why do you care if people are killing them selves?

nop hence the links to the studies quoted above so there is no need to quote it again
Personally i dont care so long as it doesnt affect my quality of life.
As it is i dont go to clubs at all as it puts me into a coughing fit if im in there too long, because of people like Mey..
so yes it does make a difference to me

 

[Darzil]

i think these facts only refer to the smokers them selves.

in which case - why do you care if people are killing them selves?

I only tend to care if I like them, as I'd like them to have a nice life without too much crippling illness.

I probably save lots of money by not going clubbing or to pubs etc as a result of smokers, so don't know whether to be sad or glad.

Darzil

 

[Takhasis]

So great now to go to a pub in Scotland and NOT stink of smoke afterwards - best thing they ever did....

 

[noblok]

Well i don't smoke inside unless im in a pub, i think that people who walk into a pub and expect it not to be smokey are fucking stupid. Full stop.

You talk about "freedom" for people who don't want to smoke, where is my "freedom" to smoke?

Yes, if they walk in a pub now and expect it not to be smokey, they're stupid. However, if you walk into a pub when the new legislation is in order and expect to be allowed to smoke, you're stupid. Your argument works the other way around as well.

You don't lose the freedom to smoke. You lose the freedom to harm other people, do you honestly think you should have that freedom?

 

[tris-]

so if only smokers lose that freedom how is that fair?

everyone should lose all their rights to harm other people.
not just smokers.

 

[Thadius]

so if only smokers lose that freedom how is that fair?

everyone should lose all their rights to harm other people.
not just smokers.

Personally, im a none smoker.

If people want to smoke, let them.

Passive smoking might be an issue and it could kill me, but so can crossing a road or eating peanuts(choking megameights)

 

[Levin]

so if only smokers lose that freedom how is that fair?

everyone should lose all their rights to harm other people.
not just smokers.

Congratulations, you've understood the legal system and why it's there. Until the law comes in effect, smoking is one of the last legal ways to directly hurt other people. If you can think of others, feel free to raise the issues. And no, traffic accidents etc don't count. Smokers know full well that their shit will enter other people's lungs if they stand nearby, so i'd call that deliberate. Losing control of your car is not. If you deliberately hit someone with your car, or use a car with illegal exhaust cleaning etc, you end up in jail or fined. I thought this had already been gone over, above in the thread, by the way.

 

[tris-]

driving automobiles when i have to walk through the streets.

im sure the fumes have a negative effect on my health.

and well, im not sure why i should bother to list more.

feel free to cut the crappy sarcastic comments, of course i understand the legal system :\

 

[noblok]

everyone should lose all their rights to harm other people. not just smokers.

Indeed. Unless the things which harm other people are useful too, in which case both aspects should be considered and efforts should be made to reduce the harming aspect to a minimum.

 

[dub]

banning smoking in pubs ?

a liberal attitude towards this would be to let the pub owner decide and then he would get customers based on supply and demand.

amazes me that so many complain about smoking in bars and pubs , who forced you in there ?

 

[Chronictank]

driving automobiles when i have to walk through the streets.

im sure the fumes have a negative effect on my health.

and well, im not sure why i should bother to list more.

feel free to cut the crappy sarcastic comments, of course i understand the legal system :\

then you make a petition and once you think you have a satisfactory number you put it to your elected council representative who takes it further.
If the majority of people believed the benefits of driving a car outweighed the risk then cars would be banned.
As it happens, people dont.

However your argument is fundementally flawed because there are laws and measures to prevent you getting hurt. If they decided you could only smoke indoors wearing a gas mask i would be just as happy
There are penalties to hurting someone in a car such as going to jail, However no such laws exist for passive smoking.

Lets apply your argument elsewhere for a second, i want to play with anthrax. It's my life i do what i want right?
Never mind everyone who i take with me as a result, surely thats the same thing?

 

[Penguin]

driving automobiles when i have to walk through the streets.

im sure the fumes have a negative effect on my health.

and well, im not sure why i should bother to list more.

feel free to cut the crappy sarcastic comments, of course i understand the legal system :\

I was going to ask the same question (Other examples) but tbh i don't think cars are a good one at all.

What is smokings actual use? I wouldn't justify the ability of people to harm others by saying "Oh but it relieves stress and brings in more cash!".

Cars however have a decent use imo and there aren't exactly many substitutes. We'll probably all have electric cars in the future when we run out of oil anyhoo.

 

[Rhana]

banning smoking in pubs ?

a liberal attitude towards this would be to let the pub owner decide and then he would get customers based on supply and demand.

amazes me that so many complain about smoking in bars and pubs , who forced you in there ?

... what does the smokers do there? Clubs are for danceing, othervice it would be called a smoking room

 

[Tijl]

My family counts 30 and more people, 2-3 generations and all smoking except for my parents luckily. 2 years ago I decided I quit passive smoking and haven't seen my family since. (btw. I aint crying about it lol)

One remark my aunt made about those (ugly teeth, lungs, etc) pictures on cigarette packages : if they put those pictures on smokes, then they should put pictures of livers on beer and wine too.
I kindly told her that she can drink whatever she wants without passively putting others health at risk. She got the point. But I'm sure it was quickly forgotten.

 

[Amildin]

The world is overpopulated, resources are running dry, if people wanna knock themselves off and take a few with em who am i to argue?

Just dont do it to me.

 

[Dorimor1]

I kindly told her that she can drink whatever she wants without passively putting others health at risk. She got the point. But I'm sure it was quickly forgotten.

Not entirely true. Drink-driving can put others at risk and when drunk you can cause harm to other people.