Do you believe in ghosts ?

[Lamp]

If no, is this because you refuse to believe in the integrity of any videos / photos unless you've seen it with your own 2 eyes ?

If yes, is this because you've actually seen something ? Or are you voting yes, because, deep down the idea of not existing after you've died is something you can't possible accept / deal with ?

Or do you not have a firm belief, but keep an open mind either way ?

The people that are supposed to have actually seen / felt paranormal things - are they all crackers ? Delusional ? Do they see things because their minds are particularly receptive or imaginative ?

How do we know "ghosts" retain the memories of their past life ? We assume ghosts - if they exist - are intelligent and have a consciousness that we can comprehend.

Life after death....is there any ? Or do we blindly grab at religions and all sorts of hocus-pocus nonsense in a vague attempt to get some kind of peace or understanding to stave off the fear of the ultimate truth: that death is absolute oblivion ?

 

[Olgaline]

I belive in electro plasmatic flying bed sheets!


there I said it!

 

[Edmond]

I've seen Ghostbusters, that was real....right??

 

[kirennia]

I still have memories of as a child, in my uncles old house seeing a woman reading a book at the end of the bed. I hadn't been told it was haunted or anything like that; it was only after I mentioned it that I was told a woman had lived (later on found out she'd died too) in that room before they moved in.

The thing is, I can't put that down to a definite yes as it was a long time ago and you can never be sure of things when you were a child. So for me it's an 'I don't know'.

 

[megadave]

No, ghosts are a stupid concept, as is God, flying saucers, vampires, the tooth fairy and generous jewsish people

 

[Raven]

My mums house is over 400 years old, mine around 350 odd. You hear a lot of wierd shit.

When I was a kid I had a few mates round, mum and sister were away at the time. Was 3 AM, megadrive session and we heard the sound of barrels being rolled past my front window, we all heard it. Opened the curtains and the noise stopped instantly, there was nothing in the front garden. Anyway, I asked my Gran about it who had grown up in the house, her father had bought it in around 1910. Turns out my great granddad did some research and about 350 years ago it served as an ale house, soldiers from the battle of Naseby apparently drank the place dry, rumour has it they didn't pay

He was a local builder in the village, probably built half of it with his brothers. Turns out that when he bought it he did a lot of renovation, plumbed it in got proper windows fitted, eventually got electricity. Once he had moved in he always said there was a ghost, they called it Albert the names sort of stuck but everyone who has been to the house say they see/hear things.

Another time I had a bird up in my room for the night and we were in bed chatting and whatever in the evening. I went downstairs to get a drink. I had this really strange feeling that I was being watched, it was like when someone enters the room, you don't hear them but you know they did. I thought the missus at the time had come down too. said "what would you like to drink?" no answer, turned around and nobody was there. Shit me up a bit so I went upstairs. The bird looked whit as a ghost, asked her what was wrong and she said she saw a cloud of mist in the bedroom that was there for a minute or so. explained what I had seen and we ended up going to hers even though I had a free house.

Step dad says he has seen people in the back garden in the reflection of the "monkey house" window, the "monkey house" is a wooden outhouse, like a gazebo but with windows. My great granddad built it in the 30s, before that there was an orchard so the ground is raised up, if you stand in the front room the ground is at about your waste height with a little moat. Its a very strange garden.

Even after that I can't say I believe in ghosts as the ones you see in horror films. maybe ripples in time or something, some sort of time wormhole. Often when an old house is changed or old ground dug there are storys of ghosts. I sort of wonder if matter and space "settle" when we dig it up or change it, it could disturb it in some way and cause the ripples.

So picked "Its more complex than yes / no / don't know (Explain)"

 

[Morphius]

I have voted yes, I have never personally had an experience, and it's not the fact I don't like the idea of not having anything after death.

To me there are a lot of things in this world which we cannot explain, no matter how hard we try. I personally would love to see a ghost, it would completely scare me shitless but I want to see one. My Grandma has sworn that when at my mums old house there was something up during the night, no-one was. The house was converted into offices in the school it's attached to. Some members of the office staff worked there for years and others felt nothing. Some people however felt like someone barged past them on the stairs, when nothing was there.

To me, more than two people who have never spoken to each other or even know each other having an experience in the same place whilst knowing nothing of the coincidence makes me damn certain there is something beyond our physical world there.

I'm shivering as I type this by the way, I keep feeling shudders come over me, I suppose it's just that idea of the spirit world which does it.

 

[Septima]

No, ghosts are a stupid concept, as is God, flying saucers, vampires, the tooth fairy and generous jewsish people

Flying saucers and the tooth fairy are real :<

 

[adoNix]

I have enough problems handeling the world as i see it... i don't really want to add stuff i can't see on top of that.

 

[Dukat]

Ghosts, God, Miracles and alot of other things can be argued both for and against, in my opinion stating conclusively that you know for sure one way or the other and anyone who says different is wrong is narrowminded imo.

So much depends on our perceptions and our point of view - it has alot to do with our individual fear of death I think, wanting and needing something more after that but also having almost no evidence at all to go on - and what little existing evidence there is points to the contrary.

The need for a belief in something greater than oneself is another of the important factors I think, seems to be important to us somehow - that isnt to say I dont believe in them one way or the other, I just think that our perceptions and beliefs can be an important factor in the existence of something that is often overlooked by many nay-sayers.

 

[Faelinor]

I would say yes.

A good friend of mine went to see a median, a gay bloke who lived on our
estate and claimed to be able to commune with the dead.
a few months before my friends father had commited suicide. he went to the funeral, and threw a red carnation (is that the right phrase? :|) on his coffin.

When Dan went to see this medium, he told him "your Dad says thanks for the red carnation you threw on his coffin". keeping in mind that the medium bloke did not no my friend, and had never spoken to him or any of his relatives
before in his life.

And lots of freaky shit has been happening in my flat since i moved in, that has scared the fuck out of me. knives sliding off the kitchen table when all windows were closed being one, and i was on my own waiting for the GF to come home. a pouch of tabacco was resting against my alarm clock on a slant. the second i looked at it and went to reach for it, it fucking flipped itself over and started leaning the other way.

another wierd thing is that before me and my gf go to sleep, theres this wied banging noise coming from the kitchen, varying in loudness, yet when i get up out of bed to check it out it always stops.

not sure whats going on ... but i do know that my flats were built on an old cotton mill, where there were lots of child fatalities. its quite disturbing :/.

There is more between the sky and the earth which is beyond our philosophy.

 

[Faelinor]

before suicide = after .... how the hell have i forgot how to edit posts ><

 

[CorNokZ]

can't edit after 10mins ^^

Or the edit button would still be next to the quote button

 

[Aoami]

Ghosts, spirits, poltergeists don't exist, get over it.

 

[pikeh]

I havnt had any definate experience of ghosts or paranormal activity, but I still voted yes.
Hell, 500 years ago it wasnt even confirmed that the world was round, until Columbus sailed round it. 500 years? What are we going to discover in the next 500? I dont think ghosts are the typical "white sheets" but like, energy left over when we die. Maybe my belief in this stuff is partly because im a bit scared of Death and all, and dont really want to believe it all just Ends, but I like to think there is some stuff that we wont ever know about or just cant comprehend.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes.

Simple.

Has nothing to do with "not accepting nothing after", but more of a "the stories come somewhere" and every story has a bit of truth in it.

 

[CorNokZ]

So Zombies will invade the earth some day?

 

[old.Tohtori]

So Zombies will invade the earth some day?

Zombies ain't that far fetched either; neurological problem that makes you semi-veggie and gives a hunger for flesh.

There's been evidence of people, who are allergic to light and of people who feed on blood to keep their own blood level up etc. There's your vampires right there when combined.

 

[Aada]

When my brother was on his deathbed in hospital dying from Leukemia he always said when we came to see him that a women was always here when we went talking to him and saying everything will be ok.

Fair enough he was high on morphene at the time but i don't believe you can make stuff like that up when you are dying.

Are Ghosts and Guardian Angels different things altogether though?

 

[Ezteq]

ghosts, god, aliens, vampires, dragons whatever it is i simply do not know.

there are all sorts of well put together arguments for and against them but at the end of the day no one actually knows 100% do they? even if you have actually seen something with your own eyes people have been known to see things that they didn't (i tell you the amount of time speople get shitty at the library swearing blind they brought their book back "I can actually remember physically picking up it, bringing it in and returning it" then we get a phone call 30 mins later "erm..it was under the bed" true case that, and not the only example) and some people see things and don't register them.

my point of view on all this though is how can believing in any of them change my life for the better, i mean honestly what difference will any of it make to me in the long run if i go about believing in stuff or not.

it'd be interesting to know if there were gigantic prehistoric beasties lurking in the oceanic depths, or if there were aliens out there somewhere or ghosts and vampires waging war against werewolves in the streets at night but it wouldnt make my life any easier or better. also i kind of like not knowing, it gives everything a bit of well needed magic and mystery to life, if i were to go about believing in everything absolutely then i'd have nothing to wonder about when i cant sleep at night. nothing to spook me on halloween and nothing to have that tingley excited feeling about at christmas.

i dont know and i like not knowing, i'll leave it at that.

 

[Lamp]

Yes.

Simple.

Has nothing to do with "not accepting nothing after", but more of a "the stories come somewhere" and every story has a bit of truth in it.

Like religion, its comes down to belief. You can no more prove their existence than I can disprove them. And vice-versa. So people CHOOSE to believe this or that. Doesn't matter if that belief is able to be proven scientifically or not.

Example. God v Science. The religious man can explain everything by God. The man of science demands proof, explanations to the Great Unknown. Whether he is able to get them is neither here nor there. The lack of a concrete explanation isn't proof of the existence of God.

A billion people believing in ghosts doesn't mean they exist. But by the same token, they could very well be right, but the practical man of explanation won't accept it without a fight.

 

[Dahakon]

I used to see them when I was younger, and know some people who still do, so yeah, I do believe in them.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Like religion, its comes down to belief. You can no more prove their existence than I can disprove them. And vice-versa. So people CHOOSE to believe this or that. Doesn't matter if that belief is able to be proven scientifically or not.

Example. God v Science. The religious man can explain everything by God. The man of science demands proof, explanations to the Great Unknown. Whether he is able to get them is neither here nor there. The lack of a concrete explanation isn't proof of the existence of God.

A billion people believing in ghosts doesn't mean they exist. But by the same token, they could very well be right, but the practical man of explanation won't accept it without a fight.

Well that much is clear and it's a personal choice, not my point though. I believe that the truth in all stories(which all have some truth in them) is more towards the unbelievable then the believable. As in, i don't think gas explosions of jupiter 'cause me to see a star go in a perfect trianlge before pissing off.

I'm not trying to convince anyone either, it's just opinion and my belief.

 

[Lamp]

I see you've got your activity award back from Olga !

 

[crispy]

No.

Havent seen any hard evidence of any yet. Only anecdotes.

There might be, but there might also be a big invisible, untouchable, unsmellable and unhearable elephant standing behind me

 

[Sparx]

Your brain is alot more powerful at making things up than you could ever believe

I've been reading a book and it was saying that your subconcious takes in so much stuff and when they done a test by hypnotising people to find out who they were in a previous life all their brain was doing was going to the storage part of the brain and recalling things that people have read and saw and was making things up. Very clever and makes total sense after you read about how many people were Hitler in a previous life.

I also had a really scary moment on Ketamin awhile ago (not condoning the use of drugs here just a story) something happened it was like the drug had totally cut the lines to my memory banks and i totally forgot who i was, where i was and who everyone was around me.

There wasnt even a "i think i know whats going on" it was like being picked up in my sleep and put on a different planet not knowing a thing, was very weird. I didnt even know what grass was

I know this is nothing to do with ghosts but shows the things your brain can do

 

[Helme]

I try to not get worked up over things that aren't scientifically proven, ghosts are among those things - if there's any solid proof they exist I might re-evaluate my position until then, nope not at all.

And regarding old houses & weird sounds, I get that here aswell - in 9 out of 10 cases it's some small bug crawling around on a piece of paper -.-

 

[Sparx]

Or old water pipes with air trapped in them