Discussion Topic. RR and organisation

[censi]

daoc can get boring when you find yourself looking for things to do and relunctly hooking up with a FG or going to solo only to be zergged b4 u get newhere.. this is where it gets frustrating..
i hate the whole concept of RVR for the sake of realm points... I would say about 90% (prolly more) of daoc players are motivated in RVR by realm points. theres a rare few that care more for the health of the realm over RP. We need more of these people.

However large scale keep raids I find are gr8 fun... and there would not be any enjoyment if you won all the time... at the end of the day we are all just playing to have a laugh...

Hibernia is lacking people that think on a realm level... I luv getting envulved with keep taking and relic raids... we need the next generation of daoc players to start getting more ambitious and plan more relic raids and get more envoloved with realm defense.... In particular we need the CBH and HOF alliance to become more prominent and contribute more to organising events as well as participating (not saying they arnt contributing but I would luv HOF or CBH to organise some RR and get the CF alliance to help rather than vise versa).
atm we are relying on a very small handfull of players that make the effort to unit us and have a crack at the things that count.

It should be eveyones DAOC ambition to lead some sort of major raid at some point in there DAOC careers... some will fail miserably, others will be hurdled into gr8ness and from this only good things can come.

Thoughts and comments please team....

 

[Lloth[TD]]

Tis my ambition to do so, but the sheer frustration of getting a single fg together puts me off - its a total nightmare trying to get two groups sorted.

gods help my sanity trying to organise a raid

:s

 

[Aironima]

ofc

I´ll join a Relic Raid anytime. And I do mean ANY TIME ^^

 

[old.Tzeentch]

too many people with ego clashes, too many people with silly ideas not listening, too many people who dont understand how strategies work, and not willing to put too much effort in, lest they suffer discomfort.

its cool though, an interesting drama.

 

[censi]

Ah but Tzee thats the key to someone with good leadership skills....

all the ego thing gets forgotten by the overwheling desire to pull in the same direction wins over...

For example... Lews logs on this evening.. First thing he does is sees albs have crim still with CS farming going on.... Gets on /AS pulls the hibbies to Bolg... Tears the doors of crim down and hibernia has all its keeps again... All the big guilds were there togther waiting at Bolg.. no arguing no moaning... cuz they all want to achieve the same thing... The albs were driven out screaming.

If he hadnt have loged on that keep would have probably been there all night...

The point is theres very few players with the motivation to look at the game from a realm perspective and play the game from that level..

We could really do with at least another 3-4 realm players whos presence makes an impact on the game for the whole realm

I consider myself one that does a lot to make the Realm Leaders life easier but I myself do not "often" have the drive to take it further nowadays, so I prefer just to help them and lead sub-zerg missions and shout the odd orders etc.... but I respect people that do and we need more of them.

The whole point to this post is the hope that some of the next generation players that are coming of age now, will take the Horn by the bulls and start making a big impact on what Hibernia does..

With out more impact players the future of hibernia will not be a good one.

 

[Faeldawn]

Not sure about everyone else, but i cannot play in zergs or large keep battles since SI due to inadequate system specs.

Screen freeze, 10 second packet loss and LD are the norm until i can upgrade my system.

 

[old.Aldias]

I dont know whats going on in Hib atm for RvR etc......coz i am not in any alliance so i cant c the news etc....but i noticed that after SCing patch RvR in Hib was active in 20% - 30%....only the last 2 weeks i saw some action with keeps and with the relic...

Btw.....gratz to all of u who were involved in this raid .....what i c atm is the hibs starting to come back to rvr.....

I dont really bellieve that 90% of pop r intersted only for rps but is easier to go to emain than to organize keep or relic raid which will take more time and at the end u wont earn anything.....

"Organization" is the key word i reckon....

But as many old players left hib and many new came need time to get to a good xp lvl so u can make a successfull rr or whatever else....

Personally i ll w8 until Hib will have 100+ animists 50s so we r gona take all the relics and keeps in 1 day....LOL......

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by censi
I would luv HOF or CBH to organise some RR and get the CF alliance to help rather than vise versa).
atm we are relying on a very small handfull of players that make the effort to unit us and have a crack at the things that count.

It should be eveyones DAOC ambition to lead some sort of major raid at some point in there DAOC careers... some will fail miserably, others will be hurdled into gr8ness and from this only good things can come.

Thoughts and comments please team....

imo problem HOF alliance have with organising events and raids is that we just dont have the amount of lvl50's needed to even get say .. 3FG's of 50's .. (not a flame at the ubber50 guilds at all) but .. people grow in the lower guilds they make 50 and because there are so few high levels about to organise anything they often end up leaving for some other guild with pure level50's, these allows them to use the fact that they are lvl50 to their advantage .. these guilds are all situated in the CF alliance (CF VGN LA being the main 3) say for arguement sake that .. VGN was in the HoF alliance, LA were in CBH and well CF ran their own ... then the organisation would be alot greater as the number of lvl50's in each alliance would even out and thus make everyone happier but this isnt gana happen so o well .. i continue to try and organise small HoF events such as keep takes and stuff but it gets harder every time 1 of the 50's from HoF joins 1 of the ubber guilds. maybe im wrong but thats my 2pennys worth (o yeah and peeps just dont like the lag )

 

[Novamir]

Re: Re: Discussion Topic. RR and organisation

Originally posted by nuked_inthehead
imo problem HOF alliance have with organising events and raids is that we just dont have the amount of lvl50's needed to even get say .. 3FG's of 50's .. (not a flame at the ubber50 guilds at all) but .. people grow in the lower guilds they make 50 and because there are so few high levels about to organise anything they often end up leaving for some other guild with pure level50's, these allows them to use the fact that they are lvl50 to their advantage .. these guilds are all situated in the CF alliance (CF VGN LA being the main 3) say for arguement sake that .. VGN was in the HoF alliance, LA were in CBH and well CF ran their own ... then the organisation would be alot greater as the number of lvl50's in each alliance would even out and thus make everyone happier but this isnt gana happen so o well .. i continue to try and organise small HoF events such as keep takes and stuff but it gets harder every time 1 of the 50's from HoF joins 1 of the ubber guilds. maybe im wrong but thats my 2pennys worth (o yeah and peeps just dont like the lag )

sorry i disagree. with the size and relative power of the CF alliance (as in 50s with rr5+ etc), it makes it easier to organise a relic raid, although it's still hard trying to get everyone along and to cooperate.

to split it up would be awful, it might turn out like albion... all sorts of fragments.

 

[Arnor]

I go rvr because its fun, nothing more, nothing less.

and ofc ill defend anything!

 

[Qte Eth]

cf as is one of the best alliances in the world imo,and its power is that Nearly all are united here
(not like ive seen loads,but read about different as and saw stats)
any splitage sux

 

[findannain]

just a thing.... why don't the 3 big alliances merge? everyone will know what happens instantly and you won't have to send to people of other alliance to pass the word of some event on their /as and hoping they will do so. I myself love a good raid of wichever but the problem is... i only hear of one when it's already over. i think you lose alot of people cause of this. So merge, have a bigger /as public and have some fun.

 

[old.Reno]

I think there still is a limit of 20 guilds in any alliance.
If I remeber correctly from the last duskwave info we had ( GIVE XML!!!!) all 3 alliances had near that number of guilds in it.

Danita

 

[findannain]

aye but i also noticed half of them guilds in it have like 1-5 people in it and most likely non active to. i say let the GL from all the 3 alliance guilds come together and talk about this.

 

[kemuri]

Before thinking about making a bigger alliance, consider the bigest alliance of them all: Hibernia. One thing missing in the Hibernia realm is just a communication channel and understanding. Also a priority thingy like Censi mentions.

One night I saw people in my group wanting to go to Midgard, while alot of Albs were in the frontier and Crim was Alb. Asked an 'uber lvl 50 guild' member if they planned something, but 'they' or 'some' couldn't be bothered about a Keep..

People do whatever they want ofcourse. But thinking about the Realm would make the game indeed more fun. Just like last weekend with the Dragon Raid and Relic Raid (both succesful).

I have started to make some page about the Hibernia realm a month ago. Address is http://kemuri.org/hibernia/ (not finished at all, stopped because Realm sucked, but now gonna work again on it). I would like to make those pages like you find on the Camelot Herald without the flashy things like on the European pages.
The point back then of me was to contact a few people from the other alliances to make somehow a communication channel between each Alliance. I wasn't lvl 50 then, and maybe still a little bit green behind the ears.. But i'm a big firby now!

So if we have those communication channels (aka some GMs of the biggest guilds in an Alliance) they should talk to each other. Just look at the Dragon Raid. Leaders group in a group, and manage each a Chat Group and such. For big events this would help. For getting people to move to a keep or something to. Because Foo and Bar of Alliance X will know they can contact Piet, Jan or Mia from Alliance Y.

I would really like to work on this cause keeping the Realm healthy is everything for me.

 

[StormriderX]

Think lack of leaders is down to too much hassle for little reward. Being hassled by people who carp on about this that and the other, yet being unable/unwilling to lead themselves...

As for when major stuff happens - it would be nice if all were in same /as but as it is I just do a who hearts + clan and then ask the highest lvl ranked char to show up to pass info on their /as.

 

[Vengeful]

the problem is that the undoubtably the best player in hib with the most leadership qualities has left the realm.

The fact is that he rerolled after being frustrated by all the newbs who didn't have a clue what to do.

Please COME BACK ENVENOM!!!!!!!!!!

we neeeeed j00000!!!!!!!!

 

[findannain]

Originally posted by StormriderX
As for when major stuff happens - it would be nice if all were in same /as but as it is I just do a who hearts + clan and then ask the highest lvl ranked char to show up to pass info on their /as.

can be you do so but i'm in the bearhawk alliance and i must say i never see something on /as about raids or so. Do they just keep it on /gu? and if so why? or am i allways just to late with logging on to see the "important" stuff?

 

[old.Tzeentch]

lol

btw one thing noted on here.. i get asked a lot if im gonna be opening DF tonight or doing something funky like a relic raid.. now, a lot of the time, if someone asks me to go open DF, i'll consider it, and see what the people in my guild want to do also...

with that said, please understand that people can get tired, and we can too.. so i get asked sometimes and basically im just tired of rvr'ing a bit much and would like to take a break.

 

[Amadon]

I think we need to give more support to the newer people who try to organise raids. Too often I go on a raid organised by someone for the first time and in the cg all I see is bitching and moaning and complaints about how we've already lost before we've even started. It takes alot of experience to keep people organised and stick to a plan, even more to cope with changing the plan halfway through it. Jahar and Danita (just 2 examples, don't feel left out censi ) are brilliant at this, but they've both been doing raids for a long time and have the experience of dealing with people and the frustration of feeling ignored. I think it's unreasonable to expect someone doing a raid for the first time to be able to deal with it all with the same expertise as an experienced raid leader, and so I think we should all be a bit more lenient to new leaders. Criticizing them and countermanding their orders in a cg just confuses people and undermines their authority. If you have a suggestion, tell the leader privately, but bear in mind that (s)he's probably being flooded by pm's and tasks to do, and at the end of the day, accept the leader's decision.

That's my 2p on the subject anyway

p.s. censi for president

 

[old.Aldias]

kk guys u wona Hibernia to be strong?.....LOL

Then u need who dont play just for fun but take the game more seriously.....if u play only for fun u dont care too much for ur realm in reality....just log in for a couple of hrs and thats it.....

If u wona Hibernia to be strong u need c the Politics strategy.....

Maybe what am gona say......u will think < this guy is MAD!! > but personal i think that is the best way......

Atm what happens is that evry guild has a GM ( obviously) that means for example Hib has 100 guilds we have 100GM ...with otherwords 100leaders at least....so each guild follow their leaders......as many leaders exists is more difficult to organize something coz u have more different opinions.....

Take for example what happens in real life.....Each nation has ONLY 1 minister and then u have the officers etc......

Atm the /as is absolutely crap.....all the time u got the msg < stop spamming> or similira msgs.....what i suggest?

Chose a KING for Hibernia and officers can be GMs of each guild...this is more tidy and more organize....officers must be LOYAL to their king and each Guild LOYAL to their GM.....

So no big arguments about the rr or keeps or dungeons raid etc....

Unite --- Teamwork --- Co-Operation ----

Words that are lil bit not too popular in Hibernia last days....

I saw some serious arguments in forums here for Gala raid etc.....
So...how u thinking to raise Hibernia when we still have serious arguments but for silly reasons?

Anyway....when evry Hib in Excali consider these 3 words Hibernia maybe raise strong again but my confidence is too low for this atm....

 

[Tyka]

Seriously, you need to stop taking those pills with a triangle on.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

btw
i think tyka would be cool as a realm leader.

seriously, no joke.

 

[old.Aldias]

And 1 more thing......

As u know atm if u wona rr u form a /cg for that but...in basicaly /as is for this purpose......

So coz /as is tooo public u cant talk for rr and thats pretty bad....
The only purpose tha i can understant /as is too public is for evry1 to c the news like new crafters....dungeon raids etc...but actually this issue declined for many hibs....hibs want /as not for news....not for rr but to chat to their friends who r in other guild....pretty bad i can say....

When most of hibs realize the real purpose of /as then we can talk.....

/as is 1 of the most impostant points to make strong a realm....if people know to use it properly...otherwise turns boumerank to them....

 

[Inferior]

The problem with the feasible goal of One Big Alliance and the less feasible goal of a Hibernian King is that people have different values, are different persons and are able/willing to commit different amounts of time for different things.
One Big Alliance is, in my humble and fairly experienced opinion, not the way to go. It will only cause more strife and problems.
Guilds are formed by likeminded people, Alliances are formed by likeminded guilds.
As long as relations can be kept on good terms between the upper levels of the different alliances there is not too much hassle doing a combo-raid. As mentioned, just /send the leaders/officers of the other alliances and invite them to the planning stage.

As for letting new people lead raids, absoultely.
Ofcourse it might well fail a few times.
It doesn't matter if you have been on 1000 keepraids and 500 RRs. LEADING them is another matter entirely and learning that takes time, since it is a wee bit harder to keep control and focus of 200 people than it is to target a keepdoor, start bashing it and go AFK.
Tip to future raidleaders: never, ever, let the army be idle for more than 10 minutes. About then the attentionspan generally starts to drop.
Tip to future followers: if you think organisation sucks, that's ok, it might do. But don't bloody mention it while the raid is on, that only makes it harder. Bring it up in a sensible way afterwards, preferably with constructive critisism.
Never underestimate the power of debriefing to find out what went wrong

And lastly, regarding the problem of organisation you seem to have here, as I have understood from these posts...
Each realm has its time.
Right now it is Midgard (by looking at Relicstatus), tomorrow perhaps Albion and after that Hibernia. Then back again.
The only true advice is to not give in, not to shrug your shoulders and deem it a impossible task, because it isn't.
It is as bloody close to impossible you can get, but not quite the whole way

 

[Tyka]

I vote for eneq as realm leader, i think he can patch everything together so it will be flower power again.

Btw saadyst that picture does not work.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

hm
works for me wtf.

but if eneq is raid leader the only thing we will be raiding is pve zones i think.

and we will all be in one guild holding hands

and stuff

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

I agree Censi, it would be nice to see some event organisation from with HoF alliance or elsewhere. I really enjoy the events that people organise (dragon, relic, legion, galladorial raids), perhaps its about time that we looked more closely at doing cross alliance events.

However, HoF alliance is a lot more disorganised than CF by the sound of it, we have a much larger ratio of inexperienced players and non 50's, getting a raid event started in this enviroment is a lot more difficult. Hell even getting a few fg to go raid a keep is nigh on impossible most nights.

I can assure you that the HoF alliance would love to contribute to realm wide events, and hopefully if the word spreads that CF would be interested in comming to events organised by us then perhaps one or two people may decide to give it a shot.

 

[-Nuked-]

Re: Re: Re: Discussion Topic. RR and organisation

Originally posted by Novamir
sorry i disagree. with the size and relative power of the CF alliance (as in 50s with rr5+ etc), it makes it easier to organise a relic raid, although it's still hard trying to get everyone along and to cooperate.

to split it up would be awful, it might turn out like albion... all sorts of fragments.

nope i think u misunderstand m8y i wasnt saying thats what should happen i was just saying you would get alot more raids organised in HoF alliance if all the 50's wernt so tempted to leave for the ubber guilds (which alot do and even myself have considered/considering) Censi and others would like to see alot more raids planed by ppl in HoF and CBH alliance -

"with the size and relative power of the CF alliance (as in 50s with rr5+ etc), it makes it easier to organise a relic raid."

HoF just doesnt have that - i would be suprised if we currently have 10 lvl50's with RR5+ for the simple reason its too hard to get a solid group together in the whole alliance let alone in their guilds! (and VGN, CF, LA dont let outsiders join which is fair enough thats the way they wana play)for that reason they move to CF alliance and add to your power and take away from "ours." thus stoping/slowing any organisation plans we have! if i misunderstood what your saying also just ignore me