Death to the focus shield

[wuntvor]

Not gonna say anymore, because its all been said but..........

I've been doing "proper" xp grps with my chanter of late and the xp is waaay better than any focus grp i've been in..........and guess what?........this is the killer kids.........

IT IS WICKED FUN

We almost got wiped, we got 2-3 times as many mobs than we expected.........god we even had to play properly.

Seat of your pants playing.........try it, you might like it

Edit
1337 players who have to be PL'd many not understand the above. it = about 3 Realm Ranks in 1 evening

 

[-Lillo-]

k then, well done.

 

[myrnith]

jesus man relax his just givin an oppinion, no neeed for attitude

 

[stroopwafel]

i was in a group with hero, champ, ns, warden + support/mage/theusualbunch


the tanks agreed about 1 thing.... "nonono do focus pulls plz!"

all i read here is whines about focus but ingame people just want the easiest xp, which is focuspulls for tanks so they can be afk :\

don't blame the focusshield, blame the lazy hibernians

 

[old.Xanthian]

Focus grps are just an alternative way to xp.
As was PBAOE, orignally, adds were mezzed and nuked/hacked to death 1 by 1.

DEATH TO PBAOE! 1!!!!1111111

etc.

 

[cercela]

end song + tank pulling = almost non stop pulling

mana song + focus pulling = loads of mana rests unless loads of chanters and healers

end song + mess/kill indivualy = resting for mana loads


imo just keep things as it is.... maybe nerf/move focus shield, but then give mana line a bit better thing

 

[stroopwafel]

mana+endsong+tanks who do something

amazing how many bards are playing who cba to twist

 

[old.Wildfire]

focus shield = lazy-man's exp, therefore very popular and efficient

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by stroopwafel
mana+endsong+tanks who do something

amazing how many bards are playing who cba to twist

Because it's incredibly repetitive and banal..

Sure, I twist, when I must, however, do I really want to press 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7 and on and on and on?

At least with healing you can press one button every few minutes or whatever, twisting is just absolutely boring.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I've been in groups hunting where the bard quit because he couldn't AFK and went looking for a focus group

 

[Shrye]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Because it's incredibly repetitive and banal..

Sure, I twist, when I must, however, do I really want to press 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7 and on and on and on?

At least with healing you can press one button every few minutes or whatever, twisting is just absolutely boring.

*agrees* ... on the positive side, it gives you time to read a book while exping

However, you forgot to mention that it's cause for injury, it strains the wrist/fingers tremendously :/ (dunno the English terminology for that kinda injury)

 

[Trahg]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
I've been in groups hunting where the bard quit because he couldn't AFK and went looking for a focus group

lol, that's sad

 

[old.Wildfire]

RSI - repetitive strain injury - commonly caused by choking the chicken too much

 

[-Nuked-]

xp is boring as hell for me, no matter what way you do it. ive even seen tanks make focus groups since lvl40, tanks are just as lazy, doing focus pulling isnt about you being l33t its about getting to lvl50 asap. the thing is though you gota lub the pet ...

1. he can stack 10* better then those tank groups

2. when you need rebuff you dont need 2 ask him .

he is just the leet i lub pet

 

[vintervargen]

exp 3 chars to 50 the normal way, then whine at focus shield

 

[Ravenbourne]

Actually my only problem with my ranger has been the lack of groups, fairly sure that has always been the case though. I never used to mind having shades or rangers in my groups when i leveled my hero, shade + bubble imo is one of the best agro keepers around and the ranger damage output with the bow is great for /assist with little agro taken. People need to learn how to pve properly its half of this game after all. seat of the pants exping in EZ >>>> sitting on your arse watching a chanter pet kill mobs. There is no real set rules as how to spec your class and in pve you learn what works for you, which styles etc and when to use them.
Lets be honest the more we abuse the focus shield the higher the chances that mythic will polish up their nerf bat. sadly people are forgetting how to exp properly which in the end will harm the realm.

 

[Sichama]

Three? Vint?
I wouldn't do it a second time even if you payed me.

Now seriously if ppl using Focus pull would be a bit more considering where or when they did it then it wouldn't be a problem, just put a Level restriction to Dungeons i say, its at the moment the easiest and most efficient way to deal with the problem, because actually its the ppl that use Focus for pl that have caused it to be a problem.
Anyway we need fast xp in Hibernia.

 

[-Nuked-]

most Focus pull _groups_ are exactly that. groups of people ... if you have enough people online, 5 casters 2 droods and a bard or ment. what use would you have for a tanks?

people use 2 take .. 3 hero's 2chanters 1bard 1drood 1warden

why? because it was the best group set up.

now people do chanters+droods+PoT

why? because its the best group set up.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Because it's incredibly repetitive and banal..

Sure, I twist, when I must, however, do I really want to press 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7 and on and on and on?

At least with healing you can press one button every few minutes or whatever, twisting is just absolutely boring.

agreed

 

[old.SOSAGES]

normally i play 2 chanters 1 bard and 1 person leeching (hopefully someone that is useful to the group eg druid or another caster)

with mcl and serienty only downtime is waiting for mobs to kill...

exp is very good for everyoen concerned money and drops okay ish.

Only time pet pulling is a nightmare is actually getting to certain places and pet pathing seems to be "bugged" in certain places of the realm but u soon get used to it..also with pet pulling ur never sure how mobs will react so normally takes a few goes before u get it right..some mobs are interesting and happily mez the pet and come after us =)
it is boring but i spose only cos me and the people i do it with have done it for so long now but it just seems to be the easiest way of getting to 43 or so and join the fins (or we go war shades or fomor)

Pet pulling has the disadvantage of when it goes wrong ..it goes horribly wrong
"i cant see the pet" is somthing you dont wanna hear from your healer =)

"run" ...

and dealing with random agro is hard work as some mobs really dont want to attack the pet once they started whacking ya so lots of pbaoe and taking the agro off each other works then...

is it spoiling the game? i dunno it makes life easier certainly i dont need to wait for 8 people to turn up i can go with 2-3-4 happily

and u cant pet pull everything some places spawn too quick for it to be effective enough eg TS is a nightmare unless your careful (damn purps agro through stairs)

make tanks more effective in pve and make life easier on rangers and Ns's to get to 50..hell make 40-50 easier for everyone

regards sos self confesed lame pet pulling pling lamer

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by -Nuked-
xp is boring as hell for me, no matter what way you do it. ive even seen tanks make focus groups since lvl40, tanks are just as lazy, doing focus pulling isnt about you being l33t its about getting to lvl50 asap. the thing is though you gota lub the pet ...

1. he can stack 10* better then those tank groups

2. when you need rebuff you dont need 2 ask him .

he is just the leet i lub pet

I wub tanking Never liked focus pulls, I much prefer to be pushing my tank to the limits by tanking as many mobs as possible and keeping the aggro, just feels right

As for bards and twisting, there are plenty of mana ments about and failing that I can always log mine as a mana bot

 

[liquidnitrogen]

MEssage me if your doing normal exp groups im getting fed up focus groups - id much prefere a EZ group if my lag will allow me :O

 

[Whandall]

Regular pulling? So tanks actually had to do something?

 

[old.SOSAGES]

when i started to play i played with 3 mates

1 void eld
1 druid
1 hero

we didnt group with other till we got to 33 or so down CM

soon noticed the effectivness of pet pulling when Zava took us down CM for some cash..

after that 2 of us made chanters and 1 a bard and since then we all have lvl 45+ bards and lvl 50 chanters and another mate of ours started playing and we said we would help him to 30 or so so he can get CM groups...

he tried but sadley all FP groups and noroom for hero so he made chanter and bard like us and now hes 50 in no time pet pulling..

 

[finbahr]

think people should be allowed to xp anyway they like my warden never went in a focus group got him there the "hard" way( not the hard way the boring way the ammount of times i had to solo) i got a chanter 34 he rocks i will do focus grps but not pl focus groups its part of a chanters abillities why nerf your own realm cos thats whta your all doing
lets kill of chanters everyone goes voidy after next patch till they upset tanks/ or what ever class cos everyone wants voidys


nerf the realm its just what HIB needs isn't it

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Because it's incredibly repetitive and banal..

Sure, I twist, when I must, however, do I really want to press 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7 and on and on and on?

At least with healing you can press one button every few minutes or whatever, twisting is just absolutely boring.

In a way I agree. I dont twist for crap exp, no point working if all everyone else is doing is stabbing 1,1,1,1,1...

BUT if a group is really pushing their limits then I twist and I enjoy it. I twist 2 songs ,healing, DD shouts, resistance shouts etc in too when needed. I find it kinda skillfull and fun to do, almost like you are playing an instrument keeping the rhythm going and adding improvisation with the extra spells.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by wuntvor

I've been doing "proper" xp grps with my chanter of late and the xp is waaay better than any focus grp i've been in..........

You need to find some better focus groups.
No way a normal exp group can get close to a good focus pull group.

 

[stroopwafel]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Because it's incredibly repetitive and banal..

Sure, I twist, when I must, however, do I really want to press 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 4, 3, 3, 5, 7, 7 and on and on and on?

At least with healing you can press one button every few minutes or whatever, twisting is just absolutely boring.

you shouldnt play a bard

 

[AbPoon]

HIBS HAVE TO XP LIKE EVERYONE ELSE SHOCKER, PAGE 4 FOR DETAILS

 

[Kicks]

had a focus pull grp with my Shield Hero and tbh think that one of these in a focus grp would mean less chance of aggro on healers.

i.e.

You are protecting x and distract mob1
You are protecting x and distract mob2
You are protecting x and distract mob3
You are protecting x and distract mob4
You are protecting x and distract mob5
You are protecting x and distract mob6

etc

but normal xp over focus pull xp anyday - but focus pull cash farming > anything