Dead to all stealthers?

[Sichama]

This is something that will mainly affect the stealth wars, if a "normal" class has to chose this or something different that will improve it's main line of carrier i bet the majority will not bother with this one.

But for stealthers? heh i think this becomes a nessesity, a stealther, and more so those those that rely on stealth and PA to kill, will absolutely need to have this.

I ask so? as a NS i don't care, sure most will have it, i intent to have it so its a null point, for those that have it and me it will be as it is today, for the rest i think i like the fact that as a NS i get the chance for a form of TS practically free

Now for the odd non stealther that will have it, i again don't care as, from how i understood it, the fact that i will have it renders it useless to the other one too. I believe that for non stealthers it will be absolutely useless, because stealthers will definately have it, so if you intent to get it just to be able to kill the odd new stealther on the block that didn't bother geting it from day one so be it, he will decide to get it asap when he gets constantly killed by other stealthers anyway, so in total it might give you 20k RP's yay what joy.....

There is nothing they can do to stop us, we will continue working from the shadows, appearing suddenly in front of you dealing death and chaos, no matter what, maybe this feature will discourage new stealthers appearing or force older ones into dissapearing, no great loss really, those that can not adapt accept the dangers and work around them are not worthy of the assasin title anyway. :swords:

 

[Kicks]

Originally posted by Sichama

There is nothing they can do to stop us, we will continue working from the shadows, appearing suddenly in front of you dealing death and chaos, no matter what, maybe this feature will discourage new stealthers appearing or force older ones into dissapearing, no great loss really, those that can not adapt accept the dangers and work around them are not worthy of the assasin title anyway. :swords:

True

 

[Freppe^^]

I for one will continue playin my stealther. Have never had so much fun with a class as i have with this one. Nerf it all they want, the only way to stop me from playin atm is to delete the class.

Btw "bult" retard. As the others say, how fuck do u think we feel when having a 1v1 fight n u wankers just run over us. We accept it, since we're soloers, u do the same.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Wiro
If this is true:

"my understanding of stealth lore items is if a shade/sb/inf are using it it increases there detect hidden range double. if a non assassin is using stealth lore they get our version of detect hidden. " (<--- some guy posted that in that thread on VNwhine)

Then there shouldn't be too much to worry about, when it comes to, lets say, casters who have that thing Easy to still avoid them
Only other stealthers might be a problem, but who cares really? I mean, only if your spec totally depends on getting PA in to win you might be in a bit of trouble, but else? That other guy with the stealthlorethingy might see you a lot easier and get to you, but if he attacks you and you evade, you still got df4tehwin (at least infs do ...and others like for example Rayne or Cyclodia don't need df to win fights )

Soo... me finks there is not much to worry about for now

Edit: typostuff

Asumming the infs you are refering to have 50 thrust of course :/

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Haldar
that thing is 10 min buff on 15 min timer, so full protection still cant be achieved - unless person uses 2 SL items - cloak and shield for example.

Or has a mate with 1 of those items...

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by jox
Today people roll stealthers to be able to solo

today they roll stealthers to stealthzerg and to wtfpwn anything thats stupid enough to run out of atk/mtk alone/duo/trio


but hey, i guess being able to solo anything is a reason to roll an inf

 

[witte-]

Originally posted by Arnor
[B
today they roll stealthers to stealthzerg and to wtfpwn anything thats stupid enough to run out of atk/mtk alone/duo/trio


but hey, i guess being able to solo anything is a reason to roll an inf [/B]

I rolled my infil to /hug you Arnor xD

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by witte-
I rolled my infil to /hug you Arnor xD

ahh yeah baby!



thats how all infils should be made! With love for the troll \o/

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Arnor




today they roll stealthers to stealthzerg and to wtfpwn anything thats stupid enough to run out of atk/mtk alone/duo/trio


but hey, i guess being able to solo anything is a reason to roll an inf

You spelt Inf wrong its "S-a-v-a-g-e" the only thing they dont own is keeps, actually I suppose your right to a degree, you did mention solo, 3 savages in a group aint solo I guess.

The reason many people roll stealthers is so they dont have to group or be dependant on a group.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by rure_
These TOA-stealth changes are stupid. Not all people fancy running around in a fg. Mythic isnt listening to its customer base... for us players its kinda, adapt or die.

First up, it's way too early to see what these changes will actually mean. It's easy enough for us to sit here and blather on about how it'll kill off this and that, but there's simply no way to tell until it's actually up and running in 'real world' conditions.

And of course it's change or die: And that's A GOOD THING. Every class has to adapt over time, and it would be very very boring if you didn't.

 

[alhanna]

I havent been in Infiltrator for long but am upset at what I see will come to Daoc. I choose to be a stealther for a few reasons.

1. I have been on the other end of constant deaths from stealthers with my Sorc.

2. I like the idea of soloing or with a very small group or at least to be able to choose when I wish.

3. The idea of having to pick my fights with other stealthers or preying on weaker classes appeals to me, I guess its the assasins way?

I don't win more than I loose maybe thats just down to my inexperience of playing a stealther but I do enjoy it. We all have our mains, the first character that we select when starting the game and mine is Cryissa.

Are stealthers over powered? I don't think so.

1 VS 1 it really depends on who you are fighting, but isnt that the same with most classes?

Giving the chance to so many to see stealth so easy is I think wrong. If its just a case of cutting down on stealther zergs would it not be better to force them not to group? IE have it built into the game that more than two stealthers per group simply cannot work?

All realms zerg in Stealth once in awhile. I think it is just down to the other realms to seek and destroy when that arises? Surely its just part of the game?

If you comg to a mile gate and get killed by alot of stealthers. Do what I do....Get help or go somewhere else. Seems simple to me, or maybe I am just simple?

 

[rure_]

Originally posted by Gordonax
First up, it's way too early to see what these changes will actually mean. It's easy enough for us to sit here and blather on about how it'll kill off this and that, but there's simply no way to tell until it's actually up and running in 'real world' conditions.

And of course it's change or die: And that's A GOOD THING. Every class has to adapt over time, and it would be very very boring if you didn't.

Well, it is actually up and running in these "real world conditions" you talk about.

And the stealth community is happy with stealth as it is pre-TOA. So, why change it and loose alot of customers? However, its too late too cry about it now anyway. But at least give the stealthers a grouping ability so they can still play the classes they enjoy, instead of being turned down by groups and forced to solo/duo/trio in this new stealth-environment.

 

[sweetleaf.]

These TOA-stealth changes are stupid. Not all people fancy running around in a fg. Mythic isnt listening to its customer base... for us players its kinda, adapt or die. [/B][/QUOTE]


I cannot wait, abilities to detect stealthers.

yea ok you stealthers will whine like hell.

I would love to see other classes having abilities to hunt stealthers.


Good for the game IMO

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by rure_
And the stealth community is happy with stealth as it is pre-TOA.

You are joking, surely? This board, like most, is dominated with whine about stealthers, by stealthers and to do with stealthing. If there's one part of the DAoC community that's been vocally unhappy almost since day one of beta, it's stealthers. Dragonfang, the lack of ease of finding targets except at milegates, there being too many targets at milegates... etc... etc...

 

[Stormm]

fuk TOA - give Frontiers imo

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by sweetleaf. I would love to see other classes having abilities to hunt stealthers.

You already have the ability to hunt stealthers. Put together a full group , with with two characters with TS in it. Sweep the milegates. Watch those RPs roll in.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

How can casters claim that currently it is not fair?
A caster should not be out solo in the frontier, and if they are, they now have plenty of stuff to counter an assasins or archer with.
As a scout, if I was to shoot some solo enchanter, I get a pet on my ass and the enchanter qc stun, debuff, nuke, nuke, nuke me.
If I manage to escape death after the stun I get a pet nuking me to death very slowly... oh the joy.
Same with an inf. Enchanter can feck him over with stun and pbaoe.
A cabby can let his buffed pet melee the stealther while they run away.
A wizard can root, make distance, and then bolt/nuke the assasin. A sorc can root or mezz and set on the buffed pet and lifetap him to death, just like the cabby, to regain health.
An sm has his uber intercepting pet and can also mezz and root.
Really, what is so unfair about a solo mage getting killed by an assasin. It is how it should be.
Regards, Glottis

 

[bult]

stealthers say they want to solo and thats why they made thier chars, well BS no stealthers solos. They either stealth zerg or leech from FG fights. Game would be better without any stealth classes.

 

[Freppe^^]

Originally posted by bult
stealthers say they want to solo and thats why they made thier chars, well BS no stealthers solos. They either stealth zerg or leech from FG fights. Game would be better without any stealth classes.

Grp ppl say they wanna go fg's and thats why they made theirs chars, well BS no fg's neva goes alone. They either zerg with the other fg's or the add on other fg's. The game would be better without any non stealthin classes

 

[Freppe^^]

I would consider u bult as owned. ;DD retard!

 

[rure_]

Originally posted by Gordonax
You are joking, surely? This board, like most, is dominated with whine about stealthers, by stealthers and to do with stealthing. If there's one part of the DAoC community that's been vocally unhappy almost since day one of beta, it's stealthers. Dragonfang, the lack of ease of finding targets except at milegates, there being too many targets at milegates... etc... etc...

No I am not. I meant the stealth-community are happy how the stealth mechanics work atm. DF and stealthzergs is something that comes along with stealthing but has no impact on the stealthing itself.

 

[loxleyhood]

Meh. Just like See Hidden.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by rure_
I meant the stealth-community are happy how the stealth mechanics work atm.

But because the stealth mechanics of the game affect a larger population that just the 'stealth community', it's basically irrelevant that you feel satisfied with their current implementation.


The game evolves, suck it up.

 

[old.Morchaoron]

even tho i dont play stealthers anymore (a minstrel but i dont stealth with him) this is utter CRAP!!! wtf they are simply ruining their own game...

or was it something like this:

mythic employee 1 "wanna bet for $10 i will fuck up stealthers forgood next patch"
mythic employee 2 "haha i dare ya"
*next patch*
mythic employee 1 "lol now you ya owe me money!"

 

[jox]

Originally posted by Pin
You don't need stealth to 'solo'.

You need stealth to camp in a highly populated area without caring about 90% of the people around who pass by.

I stopped playing my Inf a long time ago. I didn't stop soloing.

Soloing, how? Stumble around with your reaver until you get steamrolled by 3 fgs and have to start over?

Only non-stealther that could solo a bit are skalds(bards are way to weak). But they are way to many stealthers around to be able to solo with a skald these days, could have worked in beta or something.

 

[rure_]

Originally posted by Pin
But because the stealth mechanics of the game affect a larger population that just the 'stealth community', it's basically irrelevant that you feel satisfied with their current implementation.


The game evolves, suck it up.

It has nothing to do with how I feel about teh stealthmechanics for my minstrel since I got ranged attacks which I can take advantage off with this new SH-gear. I just feel sorry for the assassins. The game evolves. In wrong direction for them.

 

[loxleyhood]

I think I am the only high rr Scout that actually remained active during the whole of the SH times, so at least I know whats coming.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by jox
Only non-stealther that could solo a bit are skalds(bards are way to weak). But they are way to many stealthers around to be able to solo with a skald these days, could have worked in beta or something.

Odin's is just fine most of my playtime these days. Gets worse when the fg's arrive for longer perioids ofc.

 

[bult]

Originally posted by Freppe^^
Grp ppl say they wanna go fg's and thats why they made theirs chars, well BS no fg's neva goes alone. They either zerg with the other fg's or the add on other fg's. The game would be better without any non stealthin classes

The difference between my post and yours is that mine is true and yours is made up. pwned? i dont think so

 

[Freppe^^]

Originally posted by bult
The difference between my post and yours is that mine is true and yours is made up. pwned? i dont think so

the thing is, its not.