Data Privacy anyone?

[xane]

Originally posted by Sar
I don't break the law either (rare mp3 downloads aside), but that's not why I'm fucked off at A.N. Other agency getting access to my private data - it's the same reason I'd get pissed off at some stranger sitting reading my newspaper over my shoulder on the bus or similar, I'm entitled to my own private space and time, and what I do on the net, unless it's breaking the law (peddling kiddy porn for instance), is my own business and no-one elses.

If people choose to do things in public, then why get so upset that such events are broadcast ?

Reading a newspaper on the train is actually a good example, its a fallacy to insist that you should get privacy when you conduct business in front of everyone.

The internet is no different, it was designed from the outset to be a public service.

The biggest scare is people reading your "private" information without your knowledge, similar to using binoculars from the the other end of the train carraige to read your paper. But any public environment is open to that risk, and its a risk you have to accept.

Any one of the above agencies can read my e-mail, I don't care, all the important ones I will encrypt, if they want the key they'll have to go to a judge for the warrant and then ask me, and then I'll know what they are up to

If you are fool enough to put private correspondance onto a public information service then don't expect any agency, or indeed any individual, to respect that.

One thing we are all forgetting is that ISPs already have all your e-mails safely tucked away somewhere, and most of your e-mails or other traffic pass through some foreign servers which could be tracking them too, so its rather daft to get frightened of government agencies having access.

 

[Scouse]

Cam - I'm beginning to think that you argue for arguments sake.....


Your email is PRIVATE. People have to take action to see what you've been emailing. The fact that the post office can look at my web browsing logs, mobile phone tracking data (!) etc. when it's none of their fucking business is not on.


Can you honestly say that your mobile phone tracking data is "public"?

Why would the post office need to know where I am at ANY time? They deliver my letters - fuck all else.

You browse the web/send your emails from the "privacy" of your own home. To see what you've been doing takes intrusive action and as such is an abuse of privacy.

Like I said - if the police or the secret services want access to my data for a criminal investigation/national security then fine. But anyone else? Fuck off.

Simply put:

I don't mind the police spying on me through my window if they think I'm up to no good.

I would get pissed off if my postman was peering through my window to see if I'm having a wank.

 

[xane]

Originally posted by Scouse
Your email is PRIVATE. People have to take action to see what you've been emailing. The fact that the post office can look at my web browsing logs, mobile phone tracking data (!) etc. when it's none of their fucking business is not on.

What a strange definition of "private" you have, you send unencrypted information over a public network using public protocols, you just expect people NOT to read it - wake up to Mr Reality.

Originally posted by Scouse
Can you honestly say that your mobile phone tracking data is "public"?

Yes it is, as I have said before, the defence in the Daminola Taylor murder trial got hold of it for their own clients.

Originally posted by Scouse
Why would the post office need to know where I am at ANY time? They deliver my letters - fuck all else.

They can also deliver your bombs and anthrax spores for you, I wouldn't mind knowing it was you who sent them to me (something sounding more likely to happen by the minute ).

Originally posted by Scouse
You browse the web/send your emails from the "privacy" of your own home. To see what you've been doing takes intrusive action and as such is an abuse of privacy..

You browse from the privacy of your own home and the world-wide public forum called the internet, messages are often intercepted outside your house, in the _public_ domain. Get a clue, if you want something to remain private, don't let it out into the public arena.

Originally posted by Scouse
I would get pissed off if my postman was peering through my window to see if I'm having a wank.

Use curtains.

 

[Scouse]

What a strange definition of "private" you have, you send unencrypted information over a public network using public protocols, you just expect people NOT to read it - wake up to Mr Reality.

We're not talking about hackers here (who I'd say would have a hard time spying on someone's hotmail sent using a secure, encrypted channel). We're talking about organisations who have no business reading your emails/checking where you were through mobile phone data being able to request this information through legitamate channels.

Why??? And yes - you should be able to reasonably expect these things to be unobtainable by these organistations. If they have a legitamate, reasonable reason for this then they should have to apply to a controlling authority to get it.

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Yes it is, as I have said before, the defence in the Daminola Taylor murder trial got hold of it for their own clients.

Great! Good and proper use of the information. Were they being defended by representatives of the Post Office then?

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Originally posted by Scouse
Why would the post office need to know where I am at ANY time? They deliver my letters - fuck all else.
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They can also deliver your bombs and anthrax spores for you, I wouldn't mind knowing it was you who sent them to me (something sounding more likely to happen by the minute ).

If they want to check my post for anthrax then it becomes a criminal investigation - which is what I would call a proper use - but I'm sure the police or secret services would have been involved long ago don't ya think?

(Don't worry Cam - I promise not to send anything more scary than talcum powder )

You browse from the privacy of your own home and the world-wide public forum called the internet, messages are often intercepted outside your house, in the _public_ domain. Get a clue, if you want something to remain private, don't let it out into the public arena.

Again - we're not talking about hackers - that's a reasonable risk. We're talking about official requests for information from your ISP/Phone company etc. To all intents and purposes your email is private because it's not routinely monitored.

A good analogy is: If you're walking through the park and someone overhears your conversation then fair enough. If someone is following you about trying to hear what you're saying then that's an invasion of your privacy.


Also - when you BROWSE the internet you're just reading... Would the post office have the right to find out what sort of newspapers or magazines I buy from the supermarket??

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Use curtains.

I would do but they chafe my bell-end.....

 

[PR.]

So by your definition Cama you should expect the Post Office to open your post and read it, without reason or suspicion?

Of course me accessing your Credit card details on a website is totally valid cos they are in the public domain that is the world wide web

 

[old.Kez]

Hullo hullo

I really don't care whether some sanctioned body can actively monitor my data and/or movement, They [BT, et al] already keep phone records, keeping mobile phone & email records is no different. I only object [barely] because the control over who can get a warrant is so seemingly lax.
As an aside, surely it also negates the whole DPA?

Hmm.

 

[Summo]

Come home, Kez.

 

[Scouse]

Kez - it's not about keeping records - its requesting records that they have no business reading.....