Darkenend Steals you stuff !!!!!

[dragon_on_drugs]

A coppel of days a go a guy called "Darkenend" stole some stuff from me!!

I asked him if hi could help me transfer some money and stuff and hi accepted the stuff and waited for my other char (Fiara).
And when i get to him Whit "Fiara" hi just showed me MY STUFF and then hi levf the game....

Now i just want every one to know that hi Steals...


Dragon_on_Drugs


P.S. If you would be so kind to tell you friends abouth him, it would be so cool..... he could get hated all over the server !!!!!


THX !!

 

[grebneklaf]

Hmmm sad to tell you but lots and lots and lots of people steal in this game, get used to it find some friends you can trust, and only switch items between your characters with the help of them.

 

[old.Belorfyn]

I don't know what kind of character he was but one thing to do might be only to ask high level people to hold your stuff. Now I'm NOT saying they're any more trustful than lower levels, but they probably won't delete their character afterwards atleast.
I dont' know if he deleted or was low level, but that's one tip for all who might be trading stuff in future.

Report him on Rightnow too if you haven't, worth a try.

 

[rayzor_e_w]

what he did was crap

i feel for ya, but swap with ppl u know.

 

[Sharma]

wait for PvP, if ya see him, gank him, then wait at his bind spot and gank him over and over and over and over till he agrees to give you your stuff back

 

[old.chesnor]

I really can't see why we can't report this to GOA and have them deal with it somehow. This is basically theft, and it is far too easy for people to steal, log, create new chars, transfer the swag and get away with it.

Surely this should be seen as a more serious offense than abusing silly bugs for RP or having a mildly offensive name...Please one of you guys who quotes the CoC whenever someone with a name like 'Shaeffer Shex' posts, quote me the part of the CoC where it says thou shalt not steal.


Sort this out once and for all GOA. Name and shame the thieves

 

[Brannor McThife]

This is not theft. You were given a number of seconds before you clicked accept. When you click accept, you are telling the game engine you no longer wish the items to be linked to your character. If the person gives them back later, or to another character, hey, good for you/him.

Once you click that accept button, it's not theft. Don't even waste GOA's time with this. I don't know what their view on Epic Armour is... Somehow think that they will tell you that you gave it away and have no case.

-G

 

[SevenSins]

Smart man, trusting people you don't know.

Trying to flame him? Trying to report him?

You sir are stupid to fall for silly things like this, thus I hereby will officially call you: "Stupid".

Well now Stupid, do you feel stupid for giving him the items? Do you feel stupid for posting it on here while it was your own fault?

If you do, then I will now call you by your normal name.

Step over it, get a life man, you fell for someones trick and he showed you how stupid you are.

/salute Darkened

/laugh dragon_on_drugs

Try not to fall for it again.

And remember, never trust strangers!

-The SevenSins

 

[Brannor McThife]

I wouldn't go so far as congratulating someone for showing quite pisspoor attitude. I'm glad that he posted and warned people. Saluting a deviant is sad. But then again... you're from Nazgul. Didn't you lot used to camp Ligen soon after release? Yeah...you're the "Uber" Middies on Excal... didn't care much for your kind then, and your comments show that I wasn't far wrong.



-G

 

[old.Charonel]

eh? i was under the impression it was nolby who camped ligen 1week after release with their lvl 40's and saw our sign on the gates saying "piss off, were busy adventuring and were not comin' out!"

unless those nolby members went to nazgul of course.

edit: i'm fairly sure it was nolby, my first ever rvr death was at about 1week or so after release, when i went to look at ligen and cower from the purple aggroness of it all, then got insta mezzed by a lvl 40+ teza, who one hit killed my xp partner then decided to look at me funny, before burying a hammer in me , i fought valliantly but it was a tough fight from the start... what with me being a lvl 6 eldritch and all

 

[old.chesnor]

A predictable reply from Brannor there. Did you even read the post ?

He gave some gold and items to another player, the understanding being he would help him transfer to another char on the same account. The other player broke his side of the verbal agreement and ran away with the gold/items. Theft.

Please dragon_on_drugs (if that IS your real name ) report this to GOA.

Brannors attitude appalls me. The guy regularly reports (or has done in the past) people for having names in contravention to the CoC. Yet he advises us 'not to bother GOA' with theft.

What bothers me is that some people just don't consider this much of a problem..Some people even applause the thief. wtf is wrong with some people ? And its no good telling people 'never to trust people you don't know'. If we all felt like that we'd never trust anyone. Instead of advocating paranoia and coming out with shit like that, you should be after the blood of the thieves ffs. Grrr...

Theft is theft, regardless of the naivety of the victim. Some silver-tongued con-man fiddles your granny out of her life savings, what you say "Stupid granny, never trust noone, dumbass!". Well do you?

The guy stole the money/items, if GOA don't do anything about it (if reported) thats f**king sad.

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by SevenSins
Smart man, trusting people you don't know.

Trying to flame him? Trying to report him?

You sir are stupid to fall for silly things like this, thus I hereby will officially call you: "Stupid".

Well now Stupid, do you feel stupid for giving him the items? Do you feel stupid for posting it on here while it was your own fault?

If you do, then I will now call you by your normal name.

Step over it, get a life man, you fell for someones trick and he showed you how stupid you are.

/salute Darkened

/laugh dragon_on_drugs

Try not to fall for it again.

And remember, never trust strangers!

-The SevenSins

You gotta be one sad person :sleeping:

 

[old.Belorfyn]

This thread seems to be making good progress towards becoming yet another flame-thread. Anyway, here's what GOA said about people stealing epic.

The Friday-finally-on-Friday News !
[2002-20-09]

Item scam :

A new breed of thieves is flourishing lately on at least two servers so far : The stealing of Epic armours. One player asks another for his epic armour, just to take some screenshots of his character with it. Of course, the owner never sees his armour again. This kind of actions is unacceptable and sanctions have been taken already. Do not try to do this kind of fraud for it is relatively easy for our teams to find the guilty players. However, this doesn't mean that you should not be a little more careful ; avoid giving your precious items to players you do not really know.

"This kind of actions is unacceptable and sanctions have been taken already"
That sounds like they really really didn't like epic armor stealing.
This might have nothing to do with this case here ofcourse because it's quite different when someone asks to "borrow" your epic-armor or when the victim asks someone to hold items.

I feel that official GOA opinion is called for here. Kemooooor


PS. Such character exists on excalibur, level 6 guy. He's guilded so he shows up on chronicles (found him on duskwave). Maybe you can try to contact guildmaster of ASq in case he remembers whose alt it was he invited.

 

[Ragnarok1978]

Going with the rest here:
Try and report it on RightNow and see if you have any luck getting your items back.

Generally tho, you should try and have friends or guildmates hold items for you, and not some stranger.

If it gets to a point where you have to use someone you don't or hardly know, make sure there are either witnesses or you have proof of your claims.

PS: Are you sure he didn't just go linkdead? As far as I can tell all you say is he "left the game", not wether he was cheering over having scammed you, or if you tried contacting him again at some other point.

 

[HargloweHyfryd]

In my opinion, however lame taking equipment of another player is, Brannor only tried to point out that theft is taking another's propery without their consent.

The moment you give someone else your equipment and click on the accept-button, you're giving the other person permission to hold your equipment (i.e. with consent).

The fact that that person didn't give it back is lame/sad/detestfull (sp?).

This post mainly serves (again imo) as a warning to others.

 

[Gef]

It takes a 'special' kind of person to run up to a complete stranger and give them a load of items and expect to get them back. Its not like he even conned you out of them, you gave them to him freely. Okay so its lame, but you give an asshole an open door and they will take it.

With epic armor its probably a different story, with generic items and character transfers I wouldnt hold your breath for any action on GOA's part.

 

[SevenSins]

Originally posted by Brannor McThife
I wouldn't go so far as congratulating someone for showing quite pisspoor attitude. I'm glad that he posted and warned people. Saluting a deviant is sad. But then again... you're from Nazgul. Didn't you lot used to camp Ligen soon after release? Yeah...you're the "Uber" Middies on Excal... didn't care much for your kind then, and your comments show that I wasn't far wrong.



-G

I am basically saluting that guy because he shows some of us people indeed how stupid we are, in another thread I showed that I myself fell for this sort of "scam" once too.

These people can be saluted in the way that they show is how inconsiderate morons we sometimes are, trusting people like that is just stupid, and for showing us he keeps a nice bonus, heh.

And brannor, as far as accusing me for camping Ligen soon after the release, or me considering myself "Uber":

When most people were high levels I was still running around with my AF 44 Chain, and assuming Ligen is a level 20-30 Levelup zone, of which I have not ever heard in those days, you would be very wrong.

I can also not consider myself "Uber" in any way, maybe if I had picked a Smite Cleric I would. >=|

I can just not show sympathy for a person who actually did agreed <Clicked Accept> to make the trade, then afterwards starts whining about his stuffs get stolen.

Like you said: once you click accept, it's your own fault. 'Nuff said.

-The SevenSins

P.S: Brannor, try a more constructive flame next time, this one was quite... lame >=|

 

[old.job]

Are you sure he meant to steal? The items swapping box can be confusing and is quite often bugged.
You have to press accept at he givers end as well ,which catches people out, I'm sure if he wanted to steal he wouldn't 'show' you your stuff then bugger off, much more likely he didn't notice that the stuff didn't transfer and logged off without realising.
If he was going to steal why would he bother to be there when you relogged?

 

[Gimly]

You said that Darkenend put the items onto your screen then left the game? Could it have occoured to you that he might have thought that you had got the items then just logged? Everyone has just all agreed that Darkenend is a theif.. but what if he is not.

If it had of been me (i'm not a thief btw so it wont be ) I would have just logged as soon as you gave me the items, not stood there for 2/3mins waiting for you to come back to just show you the items then log.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Slipurson]

Totaly off topic but K9 and Seven is now officially tied at nr#1 spot for longest sig

Gratz m8's... and u know i love u seven (in a pathetic and platonic way )

 

[old.Demerzel]

happened to me also once, no biggie.. can be a mistake if the other player dosent know about tradebug and is a real noob

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by HargloweHyfryd
In my opinion, however lame taking equipment of another player is, Brannor only tried to point out that theft is taking another's propery without their consent.

The moment you give someone else your equipment and click on the accept-button, you're giving the other person permission to hold your equipment (i.e. with consent).

The fact that that person didn't give it back is lame/sad/detestfull (sp?).

This post mainly serves (again imo) as a warning to others.

Ermm, thats a really odd interpretation of trading. Are you saying this is how it is or should be ? I would like trading in this game to be more secure than it is, but while it is crappy and bugged, we have to ensure that people don't abuse. We can do this by coming down hard on thieves.

Do we really want to try to justify theft with strange interpretations of the CoC or irl morals/ethics. It appears this guy stole his gold/items. There is no justification (if indeed he didn't LD or whatever). You can't blame stupidity or naivety. One guy was (allegedly) robbed, the other guy is (allegedly) a thief.

I am sick of people attempting to justify it. Some violations (bug abuses on bridges, falling inside walls and farming RP) result in bans from GOA, and a plethora of indignant rants from people on these forums calling for blood. Others steal, openly, and apparently without recrimination, and some actually applaud and others advise us 'not to bother GOA'. I despair....

btw Seven, your attitude blows goats mate.

 

[old.Thiralith]

feel sorry for you, but on other hand you should NEVER trust anyone that you don't know very very well.

 

[HargloweHyfryd]

To make it clear: I didn't try to justify it at all!

I HATE thieves.....I just tried to explain what I perceived as Brannor's point of view, which I tried to do in the first three lines of my post.

I do, however, believe that it is unwise, to say the least, to entrust someone you don't know with money/equipment, just to get it to another character, which I tried to convey in the fourth and last line.

By no means do I condone stealing, however it is done!

 

[old.Tohtori]

WAlk up to a person on the street, any person, and give him a good whooping 10k, your car keys and a picture of your grandma, then say:

"Mind holding these until a guy named [Jeff] comes along? Thanks bye!"

And see if that guy actually waits there....

Thieves are like beggars, nobody likes them but they are part of the game. Live with it.

 

[treebor]

Originally posted by SevenSins

I can also not consider myself "Uber" in any way

Damn right, but you can consider yourself an unfeeling wanker

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

I've done transfers for strangers, and I've had stuff transferred by strangers. But at no time did I think I wasn't taking a risk. And had the person taken my stuff I would have accepted it. Flamed the bastard on /gu and on here, complained to the chars guild, etc. But I wouldn't have gone to GOA, as it isn't a support issue (i.e. it's not a bug exploit or scam), and I'd rather they dealt with real issues (and translating patches) than get involved in this stuff. Ultimately I'd have to live with the consequences - but that's the risk you take.

Some ways to lower your risk:

1. Ask a guildie to do the transfer
2. Ask a high-level member of a 'recognised' guild to do the transfer
3. Only do the transfer in amounts that you can afford to lose

One last thing: make sure you've been unfairly done by and that it's not just a mistake. How long did you wait for the guy? Did you check back later to see if he was on-line? If there has been a genuine mistake you might just have screwed over someones reputation.

 

[SevenSins]

Originally posted by treebor


Damn right, but you can consider yourself an unfeeling wanker

You sir, can consider yourself a "moronicus biggius".

Have a for greatest flame of the year.

Oh and Chesnor, you know how I am about my own point of views, nothing can change it, as goes for you, my old friend.

And Slip, /kiss =]

-The SevenSins

 

[old.Kladen]

Originally posted by old.chesnor
A predictable reply from Brannor there. Did you even read the post ?

He gave some gold and items to another player, the understanding being he would help him transfer to another char on the same account. The other player broke his side of the verbal agreement and ran away with the gold/items. Theft.
GOA' with theft.

Lying isnt against CoC.

 

[-yoda-]

Originally posted by old.Tohtori


Thieves are like beggars, nobody likes them but they are part of the game. Live with it.

i dont mind beggers "i give if i have enough" but its the way they ask that decides if they get any cash or not . if they run up to me shouting "Gimmi gold please" "Gold now! i need new stuff" or if they areguilded i either ignore tell them politly no or tell em go ask there guild . but if they ask nicely they will always get some cvhange off me.. best example i can think of that HAS happened to me was when i was omw to suavage and a little gray con cabby stood in midle of road and yelled "HALT ! this is a stick up. your silver or your life" or summin similer to that. and i found that very funny and humouroues hence i gave him 10 gold he was happy and wentof elsewhere . but imo its how you ask that determines if you get or not

as for transfering i always tend to ask high lvls from well known guilds "if one of my own guild aint close" . most the folks i ask i hope/know they wont steal because they wouldnt want to have theres' or there guilds named dragged through the mud for a few bits of armos/gold/weapons etc etc ,. i also take a screenshot "if good stuff im x-fer'n"ussually when i transfer with somebody so if they do steal i have evidence to show his gm "and get him kicked from his guild" or to name and shame him on here.
imo if peeps do steal etc etc they should be named and shamed as long as it is proved they done so . i wouldnt ccall somebody stupid for asking somebody they dont know to transfer i'd just call them trusting