Dark Ages of Lag-a-lot!!!

[Gear]

Yesterday was hell!!!! Get another provider goa, I don't pay my money to get huge lag-spikes every 2 minutes, specially during ML raids.

Before you start asking, my PC is fine, so is my ADSL connection. Also, I wasn't the only one with such a problem, and ping-plotter was going nuts on opentransit servers!

 

[Fana]

The Opentransit problems have gone on for far too long now yes, and nothing we do seem to help as OT still wont help people they arent in a contract with :/ GOA did tell OT about our troubles if i remember correct but it seems to have done nothing as the problens have not gone away or lessened in the months(?) since this started.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

yawn, once again Ill point out the problem here, hopefulyl one last time.

GOA are owned by France telecom, the largest provider in France (maybe the only, not too sure). They also own Opentranshit, so guess what, they cant change. I do wish you would read the other many many many threads on this before spouting new ones. +1 4tehwin its not.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

i played all yesterday with no lag at all, perhaps you should look to your own setup before blaming others.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Yesterday was hell!!!! Get another provider goa, I don't pay my money to get huge lag-spikes every 2 minutes, specially during ML raids.

Before you start asking, my PC is fine, so is my ADSL connection. Also, I wasn't the only one with such a problem, and ping-plotter was going nuts on opentransit servers!

Did you have the latest drivers?

 

[Ballard]

i played all yesterday with no lag at all, perhaps you should look to your own setup before blaming others.

Did you even read his post before making your reply?

Before you start asking, my PC is fine, so is my ADSL connection. Also, I wasn't the only one with such a problem, and ping-plotter was going nuts on opentransit servers!

The entire ML7 raid was jeopardised by this lag. It was not just one or two people. People form England, Greece, Sweden and even New Zealand, all got the lag at approximately the same time.

GOA are owned by France telecom, the largest provider in France (maybe the only, not too sure). They also own Opentranshit, so guess what, they cant change. I do wish you would read the other many many many threads on this before spouting new ones. +1 4tehwin its not.

I agree its unlikely but they can change. All businesses that are seperate legal entities can determine their own direction, depends how many seats on the board of directors france telecom has placed. They WILL not change but they CAN change.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

yes i did, and i say AGAIN, i had NO lag yesterday, nor have i had ANY for the past 3-4 days.

 

[Gear]

i played all yesterday with no lag at all, perhaps you should look to your own setup before blaming others.

Probably your connection from the pits of hell to France doesn't go through Opentransit. Too bad that mine does!

 

[Boomeruk]

our relativly small ml8 raid that lasted 7 hours yesterday was constantly intterupted by mass lag spikes / lds

saying that....

i dont ever remember doing anything in toa land without some form of lag or ld's

remind me, why do i still play this game?

 

[Ballard]

yes i did, and i say AGAIN, i had NO lag yesterday, nor have i had ANY for the past 3-4 days.

I guess mithra must be the one place where there isnt any lag

If you are in france (and another few exceptions I believe) you most likely dont go through the gateway that is giving everyone else problems.



NB - This is meant in jest dont take offense to it.

 

[Wazkyr]

If its a open-trash-shit problem, as they spam nonstop, why is only daoc lagging? i dont feal lagger in anything else online. Eg if i play cs on a american server, wont it go to opentranshit?

 

[Elitestoner]

yes i did, and i say AGAIN, i had NO lag yesterday, nor have i had ANY for the past 3-4 days.

i am right and everybody else is wrong!!111

 

[UndyingAngel]

If its a open-trash-shit problem, as they spam nonstop, why is only daoc lagging? i dont feal lagger in anything else online. Eg if i play cs on a american server, wont it go to opentranshit?

Not really Opentranshit as you put it is our link to europe.
Comunications to the US go though AT&T backbone in london or the one somewhere in the southwest which I cannot remmber where it is (yes yes I know they are not called this anymore b4 someone starts.. but as they change there name every 3 days I cba to remmber ;P) and then is directed to the Main backbone in washington as far as I know.. Opentranshit are only in France yet again another good thing to come from france

 

[UndyingAngel]

picy

oh look the only LAG is @ the Paslourele.opentransit.net

 

[Thorwyn]

It doesn´t matter where the problem is or whether OT is trying to help solving the problems or not. It´s GoA´s responsibility to take care of it or stop their business. As a company that´s offering a service, you are responsible for your suppliers. When you´re running a Pizza delivery service and your local cheese merchant refuses to deliver in time, you can´t deliver pizza and you can´t expect your customers to pay for your pizza. Same here, if they can´t provide stable and playable connection, they can´t expect people to pay for it because that´s the least you can expect from a MMORPG. The game can be crap, the system can be crap, the design can be crap... that´s all customers choice if it´s worth paying for and playing. But providing the infrastructure to play on IS the job of the company.

 

[nOmoreCOAL]

gear where r u playin from??
if u r playin from theweb , tell where is the toa client in the menu (there is only the si client n that doesnt work 4 me) since u did some mls
if u playin from elsewhere remember yesterday after the heavy rain electricity had made some problems w dsl connections reconnectin to providers

ps. pardon me wrintin in english since an admin doesnt let me write in greenglish but lets others write in their own barbaric language we rest cant understand n sometimes its not that impotant 2 understand

 

[Frosen]

normaly have a verry good connection but been lagging like hell last few days guess we'l have to sit this one out

 

[Darzil]

To be honest, that particular ping plot doesn't look too bad. 130ms on a network connection isn't bad. That's not enough to make the game indicator hit Yellow.

What I have seen, which isn't displayed in the image save option of Pingplotter, is route changes, which do seem much more likely to cause LD's

Darzil

 

[Daedalus]

Aye. It's not so much that you actually lag out and go link dead.. one of the possibilities is that your connection gets reset (Server has closed your connection) (I had this yesterday during the raid). The other posibility is that on top of the 150ms-250ms and 7-15% packetloss on the opentransit routers, that there's also some lag/packetloss on your ISP's router. That could result in an LD.

Though, a lot of yesterday's LD's on the ML9 raid were also caused by loading lag. People would start casting and 1 to 10 people (out of 100) would go LD.

 

[Daedalus]

It doesn´t matter where the problem is or whether OT is trying to help solving the problems or not. It´s GoA´s responsibility to take care of it or stop their business. As a company that´s offering a service, you are responsible for your suppliers. When you´re running a Pizza delivery service and your local cheese merchant refuses to deliver in time, you can´t deliver pizza and you can´t expect your customers to pay for your pizza. Same here, if they can´t provide stable and playable connection, they can´t expect people to pay for it because that´s the least you can expect from a MMORPG. The game can be crap, the system can be crap, the design can be crap... that´s all customers choice if it´s worth paying for and playing. But providing the infrastructure to play on IS the job of the company.

Actually, GoA is delivering our Pizza just fine.. the only thing is that sometimes they're 10 minutes late and the pizza is not as hot as it could've been. Such is life!

But, actually, I do agree that GoA should do *something* at least thing.. like.. publicising their complaints and replies to and from OpenTransit. Apparently OpenTransit isn't responding to my and my ISP's request to fix their routers.

 

[Yeke]

Well my ISP told me that they could only forward a complaint to BT and cant moan at OT basically saying I cant complain, surly the f*** thats got to be against some law or other, OT wont accept my complaint as im not a customer (although I am indirectly) and my ISP says they arnt in a position to complain, so WTF do i do?

that all said last few days havnt been all that bad for me just the odd spike here and there that I can live with.

 

[Danya]

I've had some pretty bad spikes on excal over the weekend - pingplotter was showing the opentransit routers (in particular the london router and the first pastourelle router) being high latency (>100 ms is what I define as high for a router 200 miles away ) and dropping about 5% of packets. The big spikes were coincident with the packet loss.

 

[UndyingAngel]

To be honest, that particular ping plot doesn't look too bad. 130ms on a network connection isn't bad. That's not enough to make the game indicator hit Yellow.

What I have seen, which isn't displayed in the image save option of Pingplotter, is route changes, which do seem much more likely to cause LD's

Darzil

yeah.. but I was basicly saying that the only probelm .. in my connect was @ openstansit

 

[Awarkle]

has anyone tried to find out who manages and deals with Open transit IE like in the UK we got OFCOM the peeps who basically lay the smack down on BT and other providers.

They should have an independant organisation that sorts out problems im sure if we contacted them instead of opentransit as members of the european union (you know that thing we are all meant to be part of ) and if not then i think a nice blanket email to the european parliment explaining our plight.

OK so 2 thousand game freaks are probbly not going to make much of a dent probbly the only way you will get goa to listen is if you say stopped playing for a month and when i mean stopped playing i mean stop paying as well.

Personally for me its been bad ive had the spikes but never gone LD im just glad i got a reasonably secure and stable system that dont kick me for a little bit of an interuption. However the ball is in goas court and it might pay you to next send an email to mythic explaining how goa may or may not be running the service how they may want them too.

Either way im not critising any company but you have a lot of options open to you and unfortunatly the least responsive of these is to post on freddys house.

 

[Auriel]

I can hardly stay connected tonight. Just about scraping through the login, let alone playing

Wasn't this bad before the OT troubles uke:

 

[cHodAX]

Here is a little graph I recorded tonight using ping plotter, all the problems start at Opentransit. They seem to be causing lag spikes and alot of packet loss at exact 5 minute intervals. This is obviously a poorly configured or damaged router.

 

[Gold]

I don't understand why people are getting so upset about the insane lag-freezes and crashes...

I mean, the problem is clear, and the solution is so obvious even an american would figure it out.

But ok, let's go through the problems:

1. Lagspikes because of crappy hardware
2. French people not wanting to do anything about it

So, how do you get french people to do anything 'cept drink wine and..well...I am sure they do something else (although, I have seen them play daoc (Gorre) and that kinda made me suspect they don't do anything 'cept drink wine....but nm that now...

Anyways, the solution is simple:
there are THOUSANDS of germans who play daoc...

Just get one of them to send the frenchies an angry email.

 

[Thorwyn]

Actually, GoA is delivering our Pizza just fine.. the only thing is that sometimes they're 10 minutes late and the pizza is not as hot as it could've been. Such is life!

No, they´re not. The fact that they´re doing their part of the job at it´s best doesn´t mean that the job is done. As I said, when you´re running a service, you are responsible for all your suppliers and it´s your fault when one of your suppliers isn´t working correctly. And if that´s the case, you need to change something or stop offering the service. It might not be GoA´s fault, but it´s the consequence.
Or, to stick to your example, if the pizza delivery is 10 minutes late and not as hot as it could have been in more than 50% of the cases (or if a significant number of people are complaining), then it´s not a matter of "such is life" because the result is, that the customers will order from a different delivery service next time.

 

[Aussie]

gonna be so much fun tomorrow, worthless server combined with zerglag \o/

 

[Fana]

Here is a little graph I recorded tonight using ping plotter, all the problems start at Opentransit. They seem to be causing lag spikes and alot of packet loss at exact 5 minute intervals. This is obviously a poorly configured or damaged router.

Have seen the exact same thing when i run pingplotter - the spikes come as a clockwork with usually 5 min intervals.