DAoC, Mythic, Games and fat programmers

[Gordonax]

I´d call myself a casual player, so i know the toughness of trying to play my warrior. Rvr has gone insane..its just spamming grapple for melee chars, FZ for Sojo stealthers and other sick abilties. ToA really fucked the game up. Imo you use too much time on it, but i guess thats what Mythic want you to do, so they can score more money.

No, really. If you don't like the game. GO. In the name of God, GO. Stop whining here and wasting the time of people who DO enjoy the game.

Stop playing. No one is making you. If you don't enjoy it stop. If you do enjoy it, stop whining. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.

 

[Thorwyn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay
If you dont like it, dont play it...

If you dont have anything usefull to say, dont say anything.

I`m sorry, but this is the most useful reply to this thread one can possibly give.

Let´s forget about the fact that comparing the balance of a duel-style RTS game played on small maps to a MMORPG with more or less infinite numbers of people on all sides is ridiculous.
Let´s forget the fact that people love to suck Blizzards d*cks and consider them saints and the messiahs of the gaming industry (totally ignoring the fact that an entire community was being (ab)used as beta stresstesters since 1996.
Let´s also forget, that in order to keep a MMORPG interesting, you NEED to change things, introduce new things, nerf old things because otherwise nobody would play it anymore.
(Tangent: Somebody said he feels like being in Germany after WW2 with all the price inflation etc. Take a look back dude. 1,5 years ago, the highest prices for top notch Sidi items were like 3-4p. But farming the money with your Paladin or Friar by killing stuff on AC too approximately as long as farming 30 p these days. There´s much more money in the cycle... so what´s the problem?)
There are many points in the first post of this thread that could be questioned and would probably end up in a long discussion. But in the end, it all boils down to this one sentence: don´t play it if you don´t like it.
Of course, expressing your opinion and your anger and frustration is everybodys right. Nothing wrong with that. But what do you think you will achieve with this? The game is as it is and will develop as planned. Mythic should listen to their playerbase? Go to vnboards and take a look at the different classboards and then try to find out what "the playerbase" wants. Look at FH RvR discussions about mezz insta or boltrange and decide what´s balanced and what´s not. Even read the TL reports of the different classes. There IS no unisono playerbase, everybody want´s his class being better and everybody wants the other realm equivalent to be nerfed.
Quit playing if you´re not enjoying the game anymore. That´s the only and best advice. There are other games out there. The bunch of Messiahs are already working on the new Mickey Mouse paradise called WoW where milk and honey are flowing and everything will be good again.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

No, really. If you don't like the game. GO. In the name of God, GO. Stop whining here and wasting the time of people who DO enjoy the game.

Stop playing. No one is making you. If you don't enjoy it stop. If you do enjoy it, stop whining. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.

haha so what? your saying you enjot being grappled every fight... FZ'd by any n00b who spent 10mins in TOA? trying frantically to click that mini croc running towards you at speed 10 million cos hes too far away to F8?

there are some nice things to have come out of TOA, but the majority have spoiled the battles that used to happen in RvR, the legendary keep fights at Bledmeer that lasted for hours.. people dragging the Glacier Giant over to help retake.. that stuff dont happen anymore simply cos people can hit 1 or 2 buttons and wtfpwn whoever they like...

sad really, i miss those days.

 

[Generation]

The biggest grumble is Mythic's complete lack of proper testing. It's almost as though they think *that sounds like a cool ability to add*, then just add it without bothering to test it.

As an example, how long did it take folks to realise that Majestic Will 3 >>>> epic mobs? Surely all these RA's should have been tested before being introduced but it seems that they weren't.

In the end, if you really don't enjoy playing, cancel your subs and maybe reactivate when there's been some changes that you think will improve the game. Personally i think the game has drastically gone downhill since spellcrafting was introduced and the whole shapechange into panther/wolf/shade etc is fucking retarded, but for the most part i'm still able to have fun so will continue playing till that changes

 

[Calo]

haha so what? your saying you enjot being grappled every fight... FZ'd by any n00b who spent 10mins in TOA? trying frantically to click that mini croc running towards you at speed 10 million cos hes too far away to F8?

there are some nice things to have come out of TOA, but the majority have spoiled the battles that used to happen in RvR, the legendary keep fights at Bledmeer that lasted for hours.. people dragging the Glacier Giant over to help retake.. that stuff dont happen anymore simply cos people can hit 1 or 2 buttons and wtfpwn whoever they like...

sad really, i miss those days.

u guys still dont get it huh?
i agree 500% with him, if u dont like the game, WHY THE HELL ur playing it??
u guys are getting forced by ur parents or so ? cmon, if im bored of daoc i log, if it keep boring me i delete it from my pc, simple as that, its a GAME...

so yes if u dont like it FUCK OFF...
The game wont get any better by whining here.

 

[Clipse]

I love it when people write a big passionate essay spanning 4 pages, with a mix of emotions, experiences, twists and history, just to end up being a liddle whine.

 

[Gordonax]

haha so what? your saying you enjot being grappled every fight... FZ'd by any n00b who spent 10mins in TOA? trying frantically to click that mini croc running towards you at speed 10 million cos hes too far away to F8?

I'm not saying that ToA wasn't a pile of poo that was bad for the game. But if it's ruined your playing... stop playing. There's other games, and other things to do. Since ToA, I play an awful lot less because I don't enjoy it as much (although NF is changing that). I've also dropped one of my two accounts.

 

[Sanzor]

No, really. If you don't like the game. GO. In the name of God, GO. Stop whining here and wasting the time of people who DO enjoy the game.

Stop playing. No one is making you. If you don't enjoy it stop. If you do enjoy it, stop whining. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.

Get a grip. I´ve played daoc for 1.5 years...that was the fun old days. In the end more and more bs was added, yet i still sticked to my warrior. I will stop playing this, when WoW comes you, jsut to see what it offer.

Daoc is good in many ways, but have the bad sides too. Its better for a company to listen to the players to make em stick around, that just ignore em.

 

[Huntingtons]

well... how do you know they dont listen to their costumers? Sure pve sucks, toa is pve, it sucks, but the utility ToA provides us in rvr is nice (oh btw, in case you didn't know FZ timer is set to 15 mins afaik?)
FZ is a really nice ability, its bugged, but alot of things are in every game?

Teamleads are players who have been chosen to report the bugs/changes that his/her class would like to see fixed/added, some of the things are stupid, some of them are wise ;o

 

[Tio McShire]

hehe the truth IMO is that everyone wants to be aragorn and everyone else to be uruk hai for them to pwn....

i always thought that the best thing about mmorpg's is that they change and grow. Daoc seems to have taken a turn for the worse of late but that is part of online gaming... mythic have to take on the challenge of sorting out the fuck ups they have made in the past and the rediculous spiralling economy. that is why we pay a subsciption as well as buy add ons. If they don't or fall short, players leave and new ones are detered from starting (somthing i think they are addressing in catacombs)

so yes I think that Daoc has good and bad points, but to honestly think that a player based game is as black and white as some previous posters think is naive at best.

Evolution is what sets this and other mmorpg's from the console equivalents, and this can only be achieved if the community as a whole has input as tothe direction it needs to go...

just IMO ...

 

[Zorewin]

while reading this i looked at my WoW startup destop icon and said MY PRECCCCIOUSSSSS.

 

[AmeinoN]

The peeps who saying dont play it or defending some bad things of the game are propably have 2 buttons at their first qb: assist Nuke , Grapple BG .

 

[Kaj]

I think Mythic/GOA listens to their subscribers. I just dont think they can do 500 patches every week. They would end up getting twice as many whines about server downtime, which means less money.

(Not to mention they have to translate the patch into 9000 different languages here in Europe, which would take aprox 1-53 weeks).

I think you should mail this to Mythic, or get a pertition started and sign a few names to make a difference. You wont get far here on FH, just a bunch of pointless replies from +1 horny puppets.

PS: I'll sign for a increase on the Zephyr timer and some way of Grapple immunity. (BG for casters, protect the tanks from Grapple for 30 seconds and dont do any damage yourself).

 

[angrysquirrel]

ever heard of planetside ?

well let me open up another beer and ill explain all

3 factions

pay to play, more you kill, better you get
you kill to gain a skill point then can get better weapons, armour and vehicles

playing is based around teleporting to a new continent (or zone...) taking a base (or keep) and so on.

on top of that, the group leader gets command xp and with command xp you get nice command skills to help your faction (realm)

yeah its cool i know i know.

the good part is, all 3 factions are the same but different, there is a fine balance between the difference, one mans weakness is another mans strength for example if you have no weapon skills you can still wtfpwn with a tank or something (conversely, mentalism ment vs anything, even a grey con)

if one faction is greater than the other, the larger population gets reduced stats and bonuses and the lower pops get increased bonuses and pops (in doac, the larger pop takes all the keeps and get uber bonues, the lower populations suffer horribly and can never compete).

ive always thought that NF was a rip off of planetside but without the balance, its a shame because daoc has huge potential!

the solution, doac2 !?! you can only mod and patch so much....

 

[angrysquirrel]

oh wait soz, there is a downside

with such good balance between realms and skills you can learn there is little uniqueness and much duplication.

 

[Danya]

well... how do you know they dont listen to their costumers? Sure pve sucks, toa is pve, it sucks, but the utility ToA provides us in rvr is nice (oh btw, in case you didn't know FZ timer is set to 15 mins afaik?)
FZ is a really nice ability, its bugged, but alot of things are in every game?

Try 2 minutes.

BTW this whine is very retarded. It's this sort of lame crap that makes game devs ignore the playerbase. Well done.

 

[Huntingtons]

Try 2 minutes.

BTW this whine is very retarded. It's this sort of lame crap that makes game devs ignore the playerbase. Well done.

i wasn't whining? ;<

 

[Flimgoblin]

oh wait soz, there is a downside

with such good balance between realms and skills you can learn there is little uniqueness and much duplication.

I played planetside I even visited their forums for a bit...

WAAH WAHHH DC MAX WAHHH

WAAH WAHH MAGRIDER RAN ME OVER

WAHH WAHHH NOOBHAMMER IS OVERPOWERED!!!!

 

[blaze]

rly?

 

[Danya]

i wasn't whining? ;<

I mean the original post for the whining.

 

[Gordonax]

Get a grip. I´ve played daoc for 1.5 years...that was the fun old days. In the end more and more bs was added, yet i still sticked to my warrior. I will stop playing this, when WoW comes you, jsut to see what it offer.

Daoc is good in many ways, but have the bad sides too. Its better for a company to listen to the players to make em stick around, that just ignore em.

All of which I agree with you about. But then, you're not the one writing hundreds of words complaining that Mythic is only in it for the money

 

[Tay]

P.S : I've seen pics of Mythic's programmers and editors. Fat and slimy. I pay them to make the game I play better, and they make it worse.
I hope you can be arsed to read the post xD

You were doing quite well until you let you biggoted side get in the way.

Sorry i wasted 3 mins reading it. Since I did read it I feel an urge to respond, if its all too hard then shove off to WOW with your comic gfx and leet RVR.

Jesus, hames evolve, not always for the good but they NEED to evolve, somebody better this time round somebody else next time. Just get a grip and vote with your cash.

 

[Tay]

The biggest grumble is Mythic's complete lack of proper testing. It's almost as though they think *that sounds like a cool ability to add*, then just add it without bothering to test it.

As an example, how long did it take folks to realise that Majestic Will 3 >>>> epic mobs? Surely all these RA's should have been tested before being introduced but it seems that they weren't.

Heres a bit I stole off a recent SWG weekly posting...some stuff is obviously not for daoc but the same concept applies.

I should point out that it was written by a disgruntled SWG programmer, but I think you'll see that it does seem rather close to the mark.

"Q. Why don't you test the code before you deploy it?
A. Hey! Why don't you suck me!?
We do test it Corky. Unfortunately we can not test to the level of ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND concurrent users to see EVERY bug that may exist. Also some bugs require the "Moron Quotient". That's where you come in. Only morons could uncover some of this crap because right thinking people don't dismount their swoop while trying to call a pet going into a Krayt spawn with orange hotpants AND trying to compose a new email at the same time. Just suck me, I'm sick of justifying myself to a bunch of Monday Morning Quarterbacks who don't even possess the prowess to negotiate the complexities of the local ATM machine. I'll take your coding advice when you can finally figure out how to stop that 12:00 AM on your microwave from blinking incessantly Mr. Beautiful Mind."

 

[Gordonax]

Heres a bit I stole off a recent SWG weekly posting...some stuff is obviously not for daoc but the same concept applies.

I should point out that it was written by a disgruntled SWG programmer, but I think you'll see that it does seem rather close to the mark.

"Q. Why don't you test the code before you deploy it?
A. Hey! Why don't you suck me!?
We do test it Corky. Unfortunately we can not test to the level of ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND concurrent users to see EVERY bug that may exist. Also some bugs require the "Moron Quotient". That's where you come in. Only morons could uncover some of this crap because right thinking people don't dismount their swoop while trying to call a pet going into a Krayt spawn with orange hotpants AND trying to compose a new email at the same time. Just suck me, I'm sick of justifying myself to a bunch of Monday Morning Quarterbacks who don't even possess the prowess to negotiate the complexities of the local ATM machine. I'll take your coding advice when you can finally figure out how to stop that 12:00 AM on your microwave from blinking incessantly Mr. Beautiful Mind."

LOL post of the year

 

[Danya]

On that note - everyone who hasn't written a commerical game stfu, then we might get some decent dialogue going here.

 

[Smid]

If you dont like it, dont play it...

You are as stupid and ignorant as anyone can be.

 

[Aada]

What cracks me up is you people still play this game lol

 

[WiZe^]

What cracks me up is you people still play this game lol

DAoCohlics

 

[Thanatlos]

You know though mythic can't ever do things right for most people

Example:
Now with Catacombs coming out there's people whining that there aren't any good rvr items there, just pve bonus items.
And those are ofcourse the same people whining that all the rvr items in TOA screwed up balance.

So don't add new rvr stuff, people whine. Add new rvr stuff, people whine. And yes grapple is silly, but so is any skill that removes a character (or 2 in this case) from play for a duration. But it's part of toolset of a character now, live with it or hope they change it.

 

[Jaapi]

No, really. If you don't like the game. GO. In the name of God, GO. Stop whining here and wasting the time of people who DO enjoy the game.

Stop playing. No one is making you. If you don't enjoy it stop. If you do enjoy it, stop whining. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.

Actually there is middle ground, it ain't all just black and white. I bet that even you don't like all the aspects of DaOC.
So liking some and disliking some parts can be considered as "middle ground".