DAoC, Mythic, Games and fat programmers

[Brilliance]

Don't know how to develop my thought exactly but I will give it a go :x

I will start with a good example of games and development.
Warcraft3 , released by Blizzard Entertainment.
A game played massively online, bringing players to fight each other in strategical combat(oO).
Blizzard constantly updates the game, renewing it to maintain interest, while at the same time tries to measure and keep the balance between four races that fight eachother. Blizzard programmers and game editors actually play the game and have gamers hired as beta testers, not only to report bugs, but to inform them of game balance as well. Excellent work, and free service.

Now, Dark Age of Camelot. The only game with In-Depth PvP that actually has a point compared to other MMORPG's.
I'm sorry, but I need to be raw and harsh, the clumsyness and crapyness of Mythic cannot be put into words.
Most of us are aware of it, but PROFIT is Mythic primary concern. Using PROFIT as a primary goal, they patch up the game and make it worse and worse.
ToA
A terrible expansion, introducing ridiculous amounts of boring and pointless PvE.
New "Cool" abilities that I'm 100% sure that were never actually tested in PvP action. Just introduced to make the players desire something "more" of the game. Bullshit abilities that ruined the "RPG" touch the game used to have. Just the concept of Atlantis in Camelot is just... a fat, slimy programmer's idea who neither really played the game nor understood it ever.
ToA didn't really make casters gods, cause by accident Banelords ML'd tanks could make their life harder. Just a coincidence IMO.
Still Bodyguard and Grapple bots litterally annihilate the philosophy of rolling a melee class. Some "gamers" are grapple and bg bots wannabes BG'ing casters and grappling any melee dmg dealer near them. Not their fault imo. What more for a warden to do for example?

My merc friend pays 13E/month to play his merc. Got artis, got scrolls, xp'ed his ass out to make his merc uber. Five minutes ago I watched him RvR . Four minutes fight. My friend landed 3 styles and stood still grappled the rest of the time spamming /dance. Must someone be a genius to give grapple a higher recast timer or maybe.... dunno... immunity??? I guess so, cause Mythic's delelopers don't really give a shit.

NF is gonna lauch ranged classes to the best of it. Casters and bow users will have REAL fun in "Epic, Heroic Sieges n Battles of Huge skill"..... MY ASS(bold bolt iwin).

The concept of melee classes should be rly reconsidered. Nowadays they are v happy to stare the caster in the eyes being grappled funfunfunfun meights.

Daoc 1.62 actually had a point. There was teamwork. A good player made a difference. The combat depth of daoc had a point. Resist's, styles, growth rates, piercing, positioning.

Now at 1.69, a good savant ML11 warden can bg and grapple my merc friend during the whole fight breaking his ballz. Piece of shit imo(I would break the fucking keyboard). Just do your funnay interesting exciting MASTER LEVELS m8eys to get out there and realise u fucking suck and start armorcrafting!

I was determined to roll a zerker, cause I always wanted to play a melee class, feel the actual melee dmg of a tank with str relics. But no. CBA to play a 2k ws grappled melee class that kills ppl by staring at them while a naughty hand keeps em stunned . I want to play a melee class , feel the actual damage , see the hp of the enemy to fall dramatically on every hit, but the fat slimmy programmer did his job again well ... No one tested anything(besides the bugs ofc..). Cause gameplay doesnt matter and the goa retards simply wont give a shit, JUST HAVE FUN WITH FUCKING HEROIC BATTLES.

I can live with the zerg and the 349736 TSing *****, I can live with infils being better than sb's (tho most of em are to retarded to realise it) , i can live also with the 48954 epic dressed wizzies that fill the milegates with PNs.
But I CAN'T live with developers being so short-minded making melee classes so useless.I can still imagine in my mind the rr2 random noob(PvE whore thats ml10 be4 getting 50 seeing a Highlander Invader like Konah or a Troll Invader like Zzang and insta Grappling em on sight feeling that his char fucking r0x
I'm gonna play my sb till NF comes out, try the EPIC UBER MASSIVE SKILLFUL concept a bit, and then sell my acc and w8 for WoW.

.....You could consider of this as a whine post...I don't think it is one really.

PROFIT M8's
uke: uke: uke: uke:

P.S : I've seen pics of Mythic's programmers and editors. Fat and slimy. I pay them to make the game I play better, and they make it worse.
I hope you can be arsed to read the post xD

FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN MEIGHTS so bloody
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Heliriah Shadowblade Elding Herra mid/exc(undeleted oO)
Proud and Fluffy Bannana Bunnie
Also, Doublefrost gay troll(Myrmidon)

 

[AmeinoN]

i totally agree , you have watched me playing my merc i try to avoid grapple bots still they seem to smell and find me

 

[wutae]

Oo!

 

[Fingolin]

Givf more gamers like Heliriah ! !! !! ! ! !

 

[Jay]

If you dont like it, dont play it...

 

[Lethul]

If you dont like it, dont play it...

word

 

[Expreso]

totally agree tbh... mythic should hear us (the gamers) a bit more...

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

i sense your fear... tbh why should you re-roll a ranged class to have fun.. but then ask yourself. what is fun for you? granted Keep seiges aint gonna be fun for tanks unless you actually LIKE hitting keep doors... there are still roaming fights in the frontiers... i played on some US servers last night for the first long extended period since NF using my brothers RR7 Merc and his RR4 Friar... i had quite a lot of fun with those.. group fights are harder to find.. but more rewarding i found than sitting in a keep.. grapple is a big issue, well maybe not the ability its self but the way the timers work.. heeh aye spent some time /hugging people when grappled.. i wish theyd put some thought into the ML abilities and other such b4 implementing them...

although i fail to see what GOA has to do with your complaint, they dont make the patches, nor do they have ANY input.. its mythic and their playerbase that choose... perhaps if they had a forum (like a meeting of selected Euro players who know theyre shit) and brainstormed ideas this game might improve.. but that would be a sensible idea.. and not like mythic at all.

 

[Tsolias]

Words from a gamer that just shows he really does "hurt" 4 this game !!!


Tsolias 6L6 svg
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p.s To Quote on what Jay said.... U 1 of the peeps that r quiting when gp is gone Re MALAKA?

 

[LordjOX]

"ok"

 

[Sabu]

If you dont like it, dont play it...

Amen

 

[majik]

And the award for the latest grapple whine goes to......

 

[AngelHeal]

If you dont like it, dont play it...

If you dont have anything usefull to say, dont say anything.


aye ur right about the fat belly developers.
They dont give a fuck, but you really think WoW doesnt do it for the cash?

 

[Strafe]

strong whine! btw why do a merch choose battlemaster? and why does the tanks in my group kill ppl? if u think that tanks only grapple/bg nowadays maybe u should go out and rvr some. sure mythic sooks, but there is alot of ways to play the game. ur right on wardens thou, with the crappy dmg it's grapple and bg... and ofc TWF!!!

 

[[NO]Subedai]

Don't know how to develop my thought exactly but I will give it a go :x

I will start with a good example of games and development.
Warcraft3 , released by Blizzard Entertainment.
A game played massively online, bringing players to fight each other in strategical combat(oO).
Blizzard constantly updates the game, renewing it to maintain interest, while at the same time tries to measure and keep the balance between four races that fight eachother. Blizzard programmers and game editors actually play the game and have gamers hired as beta testers, not only to report bugs, but to inform them of game balance as well. Excellent work, and free service.

Now, Dark Age of Camelot. The only game with In-Depth PvP that actually has a point compared to other MMORPG's.
I'm sorry, but I need to be raw and harsh, the clumsyness and crapyness of Mythic cannot be put into words.
Most of us are aware of it, but PROFIT is Mythic primary concern. Using PROFIT as a primary goal, they patch up the game and make it worse and worse.
ToA
A terrible expansion, introducing ridiculous amounts of boring and pointless PvE.
New "Cool" abilities that I'm 100% sure that were never actually tested in PvP action. Just introduced to make the players desire something "more" of the game. Bullshit abilities that ruined the "RPG" touch the game used to have. Just the concept of Atlantis in Camelot is just... a fat, slimy programmer's idea who neither really played the game nor understood it ever.
ToA didn't really make casters gods, cause by accident Banelords ML'd tanks could make their life harder. Just a coincidence IMO.
Still Bodyguard and Grapple bots litterally annihilate the philosophy of rolling a melee class. Some "gamers" are grapple and bg bots wannabes BG'ing casters and grappling any melee dmg dealer near them. Not their fault imo. What more for a warden to do for example?

My merc friend pays 13E/month to play his merc. Got artis, got scrolls, xp'ed his ass out to make his merc uber. Five minutes ago I watched him RvR . Four minutes fight. My friend landed 3 styles and stood still grappled the rest of the time spamming /dance. Must someone be a genius to give grapple a higher recast timer or maybe.... dunno... immunity??? I guess so, cause Mythic's delelopers don't really give a shit.

NF is gonna lauch ranged classes to the best of it. Casters and bow users will have REAL fun in "Epic, Heroic Sieges n Battles of Huge skill"..... MY ASS(bold bolt iwin).

The concept of melee classes should be rly reconsidered. Nowadays they are v happy to stare the caster in the eyes being grappled funfunfunfun meights.

Daoc 1.62 actually had a point. There was teamwork. A good player made a difference. The combat depth of daoc had a point. Resist's, styles, growth rates, piercing, positioning.

Now at 1.69, a good savant ML11 warden can bg and grapple my merc friend during the whole fight breaking his ballz. Piece of shit imo(I would break the fucking keyboard). Just do your funnay interesting exciting MASTER LEVELS m8eys to get out there and realise u fucking suck and start armorcrafting!

I was determined to roll a zerker, cause I always wanted to play a melee class, feel the actual melee dmg of a tank with str relics. But no. CBA to play a 2k ws grappled melee class that kills ppl by staring at them while a naughty hand keeps em stunned . I want to play a melee class , feel the actual damage , see the hp of the enemy to fall dramatically on every hit, but the fat slimmy programmer did his job again well ... No one tested anything(besides the bugs ofc..). Cause gameplay doesnt matter and the goa retards simply wont give a shit, JUST HAVE FUN WITH FUCKING HEROIC BATTLES.

I can live with the zerg and the 349736 TSing *****, I can live with infils being better than sb's (tho most of em are to retarded to realise it) , i can live also with the 48954 epic dressed wizzies that fill the milegates with PNs.
But I CAN'T live with developers being so short-minded making melee classes so useless.I can still imagine in my mind the rr2 random noob(PvE whore thats ml10 be4 getting 50 seeing a Highlander Invader like Konah or a Troll Invader like Zzang and insta Grappling em on sight feeling that his char fucking r0x
I'm gonna play my sb till NF comes out, try the EPIC UBER MASSIVE SKILLFUL concept a bit, and then sell my acc and w8 for WoW.

.....You could consider of this as a whine post...I don't think it is one really.

PROFIT M8's
uke: uke: uke: uke:

P.S : I've seen pics of Mythic's programmers and editors. Fat and slimy. I pay them to make the game I play better, and they make it worse.
I hope you can be arsed to read the post xD

FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN MEIGHTS so bloody
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Heliriah Shadowblade Elding Herra mid/exc(undeleted oO)
Proud and Fluffy Bannana Bunnie
Also, Doublefrost gay troll(Myrmidon)

tbh i havnt really found that same annoyance as you have when playing zerker in responce to amount of times i get grappled and my inability to kill people. there are obvious things to avoid like not go near the warden/eld combo or whatever. but there have been very few fights were i have remained chain grappled for a whole fight. also if u got some grappple spamming guy on u u can strafe while on ur other target and just move around inbetween styles and the grappler will often not be able to grapple u for 2-3s..which can make the diffrence between ur target dieing or not.

wc3 they do indeed release updates alot but the game is certainly not balanced, so many issues. Cheesehawk against orc, beastmaster abuse (still) double orc serpant ward push,bloodmage now imba this patch. lots of things.

 

[Vodkafairy]

it's the few people like heliriah that make daoc fun

selling is selfish

 

[Marc]

I cant believe what im reading, crying because they put profit first. No shit sherlock, they are a business. They arent in to appease YOU, they are in it to make money. As someone else said, if you dont like, dont play it simple as.

 

[Calo]

the funny part of the whole story is that.. yep they still play it

after 3 years whining about how much this game sucks they just keep on playing it so...

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

typical massive online rpg that there will be constant changes and not everyone will be happy at all times, but i think daoc has reached a point where most are more frustrated than happy when playing.

- where's the feared mighty viking berserker now?
he's hidden behind that wolfform over there ^^

- what's that cute little crocodile doing?
it's not a crocodile, it's a chanter about to pbae your arse to hell ^^

- look over there, a band of black panthers, i thought they where loners?
not in daoc dude, it's the front of the 100+ alb zerg ^^

and this is just the graphical destruction that has come with toa...
fancy pancy silly abilities making rvr more confusing than ever, wherever you go you get some fancy effect or a FZ in your face.
no matter what you do five others does something even worse back at you and along comes the unemployed elite infil with bitchass fotm equipment rr11 nerd with his rr11 sidekick minstrel and their 6 adds and kick you butt to kingdom come with a bunch of fancy abilities making u able to do just NOTHING the few seconds you and your friends have before you die.
im sure its just as bad from albs/hibs point of view, i just really want my sword to do damage again, not only when im lucky or duelling ^^

ps. and i'd like to fight ppl in humanoid skins and not some silly crocodiles, sobekites, wolves or panthers cos that really killed the atmosphere in the game if you ask me!

 

[Gordonax]

In a board full of stupid posts, this is possibly the most stupid I've ever read. First of all, comparing Warcraft III with a true MMORPG is... well it's like comparing The Sims with Breakout. The two things are not even close in terms of the complexity of game blanace. Second, Mythic is concerned with profit... no shit Sherlock! Blizzard is, of course, a charity that just does it for love of the game. GET A GRIP. All games companies are just that... Game COMPANIES. They're in business to make a bloody profit, it's the entire point of it!

And finally...

tho most of em are to retarded to realise it

"ALTHOUGH most of THEM are TOO retarded to realise it". If you're going to call other people retarded, AT LEAST LEARN TO SODDING SPELL!!!!

Bah, this is wasting my drinking time. I'm off.

 

[Yadeniel]

100% Agree Heliriah.

And NF will make this game sucks more. Just tested an "assassin" in gorre, it sucks, they delete it from the game, all that fuckin archers discovering u, the fuckin st guards speed5 kicking ur ass inside keeps,no climb points, and zerg, zerg, zerg... ZZzZzZzzz. And tanks are worse than assassins now, at least assassins can camp some bridges..

I have some range class, a caby full toalized, needed of ml7, and rr5+, i could play it in NF, but isnt the same as my infil i dont have the same fun. So..
thinking on quit when NF comes here

 

[Yadeniel]

And some MLs like grapple, etc, just overpowered and they didnt test it i think.

U stun the target, stun goes off, target grapple u, target shoot u to dead (for example)

 

[Gorbash]

ok... so how exactly do you want the game to be then?

 

[kelless]

When DAOC first came out it must have been extremely difficult to make 3 different realms with all different classes and races and hope that the game would be totaly balanced in rvr . Whenever an expansion comes out introducing new classes , races or abilities which have to stack on top of the originals it is nigh on impossible . They need to release expansions , to hopefully bring in new players and keep current players from getting bored.

But the game has never been totally balanced , and it never will be , the best you can hope for is that the the various advantages are rotated fairly between all the classes and realms in turn.

I don't want to tell you to quit the game , but if u feel that the class u get the most fun from is now useless , and you don't want to try other classes , what else are you gonna do ?

 

[Trylle^nzi]

It's sad, but I have to agree.

Only thing I disagree is the "useless hours of xping", I don't think it's a waste of time to XP my artifacts to make them better. BUT it's a pain in the f*cking arse!

I don't get it, why make ToA so hard? No, I don't want Mythic to come and give me all what I need, that's not what i'm saying. But make it this hard is taking the piss on the costumers IMO.

Camp(if you're an arti camper) your arti.
Hope it wont get pulled before you got ppl inc.
You got it! now you just need the --> 3 <-- scrolls where at least 1 of them is a huge pain to farm.
You got it activated but the smile isn't really big on your face, realising you are about to spend a week of your short life to XP it.

uke:

Don't think I will finish my shaman either, there's a little to no reason to use all the time farming artis and scrolls / XPing when you know that you won't be playing this game more than half a year to a year yet
Also, I miss the "oh my God! finally ding 50!!"-feeling when you've spent time leveling a character, as written above with the artifacts: theres just as much(if not more..) work to be done afterwards.

Sad but true.

 

[Drav]

Gotta agree grapple sucks... thats what ToA has done tho... there isnt any caster on caster grapple completely nullifying the casting classes..... there isnt any caster BG for tanks so that an enemies casters cant cast without killing the tanks BG first.

Its all weighted to casters.

I have a fire wiz and sure I benefit from ToA, but my arms who is by far my favorite char, and by far the char Id rather be playing is kinda shelved recently for the simple fact that Mythic hate arms, and generally hate the Tank Classes at most.

Whats annoying tho is, especially from the main tanks point of view, the grind for a main tank is by far harder than it is for a caster/hybrid. Just look at AC, Ice wizzehs are always wanted, and what group would be complete without a Paladin, but any old alb group could function fine without an armsman.

Its just Mythic, they have lost all concept about what players enjoy about this game, I dont think this is a stretch but the majority of ppl prefer RvR, spinning out useless shitty expansions like ToA and Catacombs simply doesnt interest some of us..... So sort out RvR balance between range and melee... then Mythic you can go roll out as much PvE shit as you want as long as I dont have to take part in it to still be valid in RvR.

 

[Koyochi]

If you dont like it, dont play it...

If you've been playing and paying it for a while, and you dont like how it evolvs... you surely have the right to complain.



And yeah, I agree with the first post.. nerf anything that makes any char so totally useless , even if its for a short time. I just had another "fun" evening of being mezzed / standing there for 20 seconds / waiting for my turn to be 2shotted or to be run over. Both in keep take and DF. Currently spending all my money (15p, thats a lot for me) in housing merchants for extra resists items ... so at least I can die fighting, not like a statue... arf

 

[Sanzor]

Gee at the people defending the game :-P

Maybe you can´t compare Wc3 with Daoc, but if you ask me, then you can. Its either tacitical or zerg in that game...except you abrely find anything tactical in daoc.

At least Blizzard is out fast with their updates, but EU players gotta wait ages on patches cause they gotta get through the damn french and german stuff too >_<

I´d call myself a casual player, so i know the toughness of trying to play my warrior. Rvr has gone insane..its just spamming grapple for melee chars, FZ for Sojo stealthers and other sick abilties. ToA really fucked the game up. Imo you use too much time on it, but i guess thats what Mythic want you to do, so they can score more money.

Getting jumped by the many people being high rr, lvl 10 arties and so on makes you sick. On the other hand..you do something else for the living...or get out at least. Nothing better than laughing at the powergamers..poor sods

Anyway..Mythic should test their stuff more. We have seen the difference on US and EU servers, and i bet Mythic haven´t got any feedback at all from the EU servers.
Im prolly too hitting the QUIT button when NF arrives. Wanna do a try with WoW when its released.
I doubt WoW will be the same, lvling is quicker and alot more concepts and stuff are different vs daoc system.

Only hope is either that Mythic get their brains working, or you roll yourself a ranged class to continue to "pwn" >_<

 

[Sarcon]

aye ur right about the fat belly developers.
They dont give a fuck, but you really think WoW doesnt do it for the cash?

Ofc. they do it for the cash, thats the point in making a company, what he's trying to say (i think) is that they actually test it with rl gamers, so that ppl will actually be happy about it. Have been getting the idea to that mythic aren't using ppl who actually play the game at all. tbh if ya make a game, try play it yourself =)
And to bring another subjekt in, i have started to feel like living in Germany around second world war...
Huge inflation after ToA came (and SI abit) not to long about i had around 30p, which were most of my saving from my time playing with my pala. Back 2 years ago that we pretty nice money, and could buy ya alot of things. Now i see items like Zahur's ring go for 45+p, and since i'm not able to farm money 10p/h like everyone els, i can buy literly nothing. Really annoys me to see ppl selling items for 50p, and see an Auction for an item i actually want, and see last bid 10p over what i have, stupid inflation :touch:
And all the arte's that gets farmed, that i haven't got time to camp, that i will have a hard time getting geez... stupid mythic...
And really not looking forward to NF either, got my wiz to use, but i would actaully rather have fun with my pala.

 

[Tio McShire]

they should have taken the rpg out of mmorpg a long time ago...