Daoc drug use survey

[Blackjack]

can you confirm BJ, was it a straight up bud or a resin?

Well i can never be 100% sure since i didn't smoke with them.
They said it was a regular joint. i chose to believe them. Since i have never seen them smoke anything else than straight up. And these gimpy stoners knew their Mary Jane ^^ unlike me

but as i said i can never be 100% sure. the others seemed just fine though.

 

[tris-]

well then bj, no disrespect but without all facts you cant make a 100% accurate picture of what happend.

what is a regular joint? a regular joint is different for everyone. theirs might be hash and tobacco, mine might be buds and tobacco etc.

was it rolled infront of everyone? if not, who knows what gubbins went into it.

did this contain the everyday weed they normally smoke? if not, same as above.

everyone was ok? that doesnt mean much. i can drink 10 pints of stella and be perfectly happy. one of my friends on the other hand will be totally agressive and out of character. see, it doesnt mean much that i am ok and he isnt.

if he happend to get paranoid, i dont think he would smash everything up. if he was paranoid he would be cowering in a corner or under a sofa crying. or thinking hes going to die.


here is some snippets of info for you -

"Based upon the dosage supplied to patients on the NIDA program in the USA, this would mean consumption of some 1500 pounds in weight of cannabis within 15 minutes to induce death."

there is no fucking person on earth who can physcially smoke that much dryed cannabis in 15 minutes.
Cannabis DOESNT, repeat DOESNT cause death. so people can knock that off their arguments list.

and to answer questions of the so called poisons in weed (btw, weed is not toxic of poisonus)

"Over two thousand different chemicals, none of which produces harm. Compared with coffee, which contains over 800 volatile chemicals, only 21 of which have ever been tested on animals and 16 of those caused cancers in rats. "

and you call me stupid for comparing weed to coffee? hmmm...

finally the big "cannabis will cause you addiction and make you kill cats to get money from the mafia to fund your habbit" question, is it addictive?

"No. It is habit-forming only in the sense that it is natural to wish to repeat a pleasant experience. There is no withdrawal."

how many pleasant experiences do you have, and how many do you repeat? . the only thing you get addicted to is the happyness.
now when you play computer games, i expect you find them a pleasent experience. i would also expect that everyone has played a computer game more than once in their life. i hope you see my point here. i am more addicted to games than anything else in my life including weed, alcofrol, fags etc. i spent more on games than i will ever spend on weed in my whole entire life.
i would say games are more damaging. why? play them for long periods - you get unfit, bad eyes, unsocial etc.

wait, not everyone plays games for long periods?! hell you are right they dont, like not everyone smokes weed 24/7 and kills them selves on it.

so basically, this is my whole pro-cannabis thing. the bit about mental health problems? well like its already stated, not everyone gets these. like not everyone gets addicted to fags and gives them selves lung cancer and spends £xxxx a year on them.

btw, here is the ONLY 100% PROVEN FACTS that make cannabis dangerous -

"Mixing it with tobacco. < do you smoke and play daoc?
Getting arrested.
Health hazards from impurities.
Being offered drugs.
Becoming a social outcast = persecution. < do people lol at you for playing daoc?
Conviction = criminal record, banned from USA, Australia etc.
All prohibition created problems. "

at least 2 of these i can relate to the general people of the forum.
if we are gonna debate this, then can we call keep its sensible unlike the last thread

 

[haarewin]

cannabis isn't 'lethal' in normal doses because it doesn't bind onto the human brainstem. it can be (indirectly) lethal by increasing heart rate in people with already low blood pressure.
cannabinoids, such as THC, are addictive. I don't have time to find the research now, but it is somewhere in my room.

 

[confused]

nobody commented on my acid remark.. i feel depressed, brb getting needles

 

[tris-]

cannabis isn't 'lethal' in normal doses because it doesn't bind onto the human brainstem. it can be (indirectly) lethal by increasing heart rate in people with already low blood pressure.
cannabinoids, such as THC, are addictive. I don't have time to find the research now, but it is somewhere in my room.

you are saying, 100% fact that the thousands of chemicals in cannabis are addictive FOR EVERYONE?

i smoke cannabis for a month and take two months off with no sympoms that affect my life. i have no PHYSICAL addiction to cannabis, the only thing i enjoy about it is the obvious happy times and euphoric affects.

are you saying im addicted? i smoked it for a solid year everyday before doing that.

btw, i didnt use to eat fruit too much. then one day i got the munchies and ate an apple. it was like having an orgasm on my tounge, at some bits the taste was too pleasurable to take so i had to stop eating it. lol, good times. and now i always eat fruit because i cant get enough of it.

ok so im sorry, i got addicted to fruit through cannabis. damn, maybe it really is a gateway drug

if you "cant be arsed" to provide sources, i mean you really havent got much a point or an argument for your side of it man .

there is many things that can raise heart rate and have bad effects on people. yet these substances are legal. can you really use this for an argument against cannabis?

 

[Ezteq]

well i used loads of drugs toady dont know what the anestetic they used was but it gave me that "all sleepy after having a sunday roast and a nice glass of red by the fire" feeling, though i suspect one of the surgeons did something unmentionable in my gob after cos m,y mouth tasted orrible lol

 

[Blackjack]

well then bj, no disrespect but without all facts you cant make a 100% accurate picture of what happend.

what is a regular joint? a regular joint is different for everyone. theirs might be hash and tobacco, mine might be buds and tobacco etc.

Regular as in no spooky sidedrugs. He says he grew the shit himself 0_o But tbh i dont know anything about what the difference would be. It was all kind of lost on me

 

[tris-]

soz matey, i just find it hard to believe.

there is NO documented side effect of cannabis that makes you go violent.

as there is no fact here, then we are free to believe what we want.

i dont believe it was just pure buds.

but i do believe that you think what you say is true.

maybe this guy got some kinda of bitch ass mutation. mutations happen if you cross polinate. you can make unique strains unknown to anyone else that ever lived.

this, imo, is the only thing i can believe that led to such behaviour.

 

[washington]

you forgot to add carlsberg special brew, it should go just under heroin on the list

 

[Blackjack]

soz matey, i just find it hard to believe.

there is NO documented side effect of cannabis that makes you go violent.

as there is no fact here, then we are free to believe what we want.

i dont believe it was just pure buds.

but i do believe that you think what you say is true.

maybe this guy got some kinda of bitch ass mutation. mutations happen if you cross polinate. you can make unique strains unknown to anyone else that ever lived.

this, imo, is the only thing i can believe that led to such behaviour.

Well the problem is that this is not unique. You can get psychosis from smoking weed. It's not something i'm making up to scare people. Just another fact is that in mental institutions a large part of drug related mental problems is from people who smokes weed. and just weed.
I'm not saying he didn't smoke something weird. I'm just saying that the others had no problem and that if you brush all the other cases when stuff like this happened you are really trying hard to ignore the dangers.

 

[Rustane]

yeye .. never trust a junkie.
and stop stealing my car stereo!

 

[haarewin]

the only thing i enjoy about it is the obvious happy times and euphoric affects

To all intents and purposes, reusing because you enjoy the affect from cannabis (or any other drug) means there is a possibility of addiction. Positive affect is caused by release of neurotransmitters - there is a physical component, so it could well be termed an addiction.
Using a behavioural model of addiction, as Positive Affect is a behavioural mechanism, because of the positive reinforcement (such as the "euphoric affect"), it usually leads to 'Drug Seeking Behaviour'.

Spoiler

Seeking a drug so you can use is an aspect of addiction. Using any drug repetitively because of the positive affect is an aspect addiction. Hiding behind the word habit suggests denying that it could be an addiction - most addicts refuse/don't want to admit that their repeated use of a substance (opiates, amphetamines, etc) or performance of a behaviour (gambling, sex, relationships, etc) has become an addiction.

You may argue against my point, but that's the conclusion I've drawn. I'm not saying you are addicted, I'm just saying I think that your argument is flawed.

you are saying, 100% fact that the thousands of chemicals in cannabis are addictive FOR EVERYONE?

No, I'm not. I'm saying cannabinoids are. THC is the active cannabinoid in cannabis. Another cannabinoid, SR141716A, is much more addictive and in fact produces milder (than heroin withdrawal) cold-turkey like symptoms in smaller mammals. And before you go 'oh, but animals aren't the same as people', I'd like to point out that binding sites for cannabinoids in the brain are exactly the same in all mammals, and mammalian physiology is pretty much identical across species. (Pigs have an almost identical cardiovascular system to us - which is why pig hearts are sometimes used in transplants) And in all respects, we are animals.

Of course I am not saying that "cannabis will raise your heart rate and kill you!", I just pointed out that it is a possibility in people with hypotension, or other underlying conditions. A doctor wouldn't prescribe medication that reduced blood pressure to a person that already has hypotension unless there is no alternative.

(It wasn't that I "couldn't be arsed" to provide sources, I didn't have time last night because I had to go and catch a bus and didn't want to wait another 30mins.)

I obviously wouldn't be so harsh face to face, but addiction is an emotive subject to me and seeing people defending psychoactive substances that are not being used to relieve symptoms of an "illness" is just, well I dont know the word I want to use.

 

[tris-]

i already coverd what the addiction is. you are addicted to the happyness right? why did you not also reply to the point where being addicted to happyness and wanting to repeat the occasion can be compared to many things in life. do you not agree that is correct?

like i said, i can easily go from smoking everyday for months to not smoking at all. yes the happy times are great an all, and yes its nice to have them again but either way im not arsed if it comes.

and no, im not trying to hide behind it and really am an addict. i can tell you straight up all the things i am addicted to, im not arsed to admit it -

smoking
alcohol
gaming
sexual stimulation

i class smoking worse than cannabis, yet i will readily admit i am addicted to it.
i dont know if you think this, but do you think im trying to not admit to being addicted to cannabis? taking everything i said in mind so far, also include the fact i havent bought any in 2 months because i couldnt be arsed with the 10 minute journey.

also, i woudnt ever say "oh but animals arnt the same as people". if you didnt already know, ive done reading into weed for many years (i wanted to make an educated decision to take it) and know more than you would think i know about it.

at least this discussion is staying calm, lol. no petty name calling (yet)!.

so i would be interested if you could consider each of my points in the large post and make your, how to put it, counter argument? against each one.

but ofc if you dont want to or flat out cant be arsed i dont blame ya, lol.

 

[haarewin]

i already coverd what the addiction is. you are addicted to the happyness right? why did you not also reply to the point where being addicted to happyness and wanting to repeat the occasion can be compared to many things in life. do you not agree that is correct?

honestly, massive long posts i usually skip most of it unless its really funny
i agree completely that repeating a positive behaviour is the "addictive" aspect to a lot of things - the fact that chocolate makes me happy is enough to make me want to eat it again. the fact that i enjoy playing a game is enough to make me want play the game again.
i cba to comment on everything at the moment but i might do later. don't worry, i wont resort to name calling
i too agree that nicotine is a much worse substance than cannabis - it's more carcinogenic and smells much worse too. i don't smoke because i just don't like it, and my nan died from malignant lung cancer when i was 9.

 

[tris-]

i dont blame ya for not reading long posts. its not funny or anything, but its the best argument ive made yet.

believe it or not, i like a good discussion now and again even though i do post them on FH!

so ye, if you happen to counter-argue some of my points i will be more than interested to see whats goin.

 

[Marc]

I know/know of quite a few people who have ended up in the local nutjob ward of the hospital, just from smoking weed. One, has proper gone west. FBI and CIA were watching him. Gypsys were stalking him. He won the lottery but isnt allowed to claim it. He painted a big SoS sign on the roof of his house. Speed is disgusting. That really fucks your head if you use it a lot.

 

[tris-]

i would NEVER defend drugs above weed.

man made chemicals have never been that great for your body as it is. especially things someone with a GCSE in chemistry is making in a dirty sink.