Daoc drug use survey

[MadsKaizer]

Since flim got tired of a ever living thread and closed it, here is the new one, with a quite better poll that should show a somewhat better and precise result

 

[noblok]

I think the question should be rephrased to what drug you take on a (somewhat) regular basis, to avoid one-time events giving a wrong image.

Sugar here, by the way, even with the literal interpretation of the current question .
edit: <doh> didn't see the caffeine, but then again it's been ages since I last drank coke and I don't drink coffee .

 

[Lamp]

Bit of a pointless thread methinks. Everyone said what they wanted to say in the last one and it got closed. I found talking about this stuff in the last thread somewhat cathartic. CBA with this one. Sorry.

 

[MadsKaizer]

yeah, about all was said, but the poll was all wrong etc

but im afraid its only stoners that read offtopic hahaha

 

[Ezteq]

lol oi who you calling a stoner?!!


im a pisshead tyvm!

 

[snushanen]

well humans are afected by sugar 24/7 for their entire life or else we dont produse heat and we are stone dead

 

[Raven]

alcohol is stronger than pot tbh and does far more damage to society, your health and your family. pot has never killed anyone (at least no recorded deaths linked directly to it)

so picked alcohol, even though i also smoke weed now and again.

 

[Saveus]

alcohol is stronger than pot tbh and does far more damage to society, your health and your family. pot has never killed anyone (at least no recorded deaths linked directly to it)

so picked alcohol, even though i also smoke weed now and again.

Daoc can damage your society, your health and your family. Soak in the truth its true its true

 

[Aoln]

as if anyone really took heroin

 

[Blackjack]

alcohol is stronger than pot tbh and does far more damage to society, your health and your family. pot has never killed anyone (at least no recorded deaths linked directly to it)

so picked alcohol, even though i also smoke weed now and again.

might be, and i agree to alcohol generally being stronger "drug" but downplaying the dangers of smoking weed so much? I have seen what a pot induced psychosis can do to an appartment not to mention a life. Never seen anyone just drinking loose their mind so completely, they pass out before they get to that point. I have also seen stoners piss their life away smoking everyday.

On topic.
I have played drunk.. very very drunk. Fun yet very skill inhibiting all a mess of toons, QB's and pwetty spell effects

 

[confused]

Tbh if you're on acid, you're far more likey to be trying to peal your skin thinking your an orange rather than playing a computer game..

 

[Darksword]

Since flim got tired of a ever living thread and closed it, here is the new one, with a quite better poll that should show a somewhat better and precise result

hmm ive been coming down from speed while playing daoc, which was fucking horrible, would that count?

 

[Darksword]

as if anyone really took heroin

haha i want to see someone on heroin trying to play daoc me thinks all the stealth zergs that were about (the rambo crew) probably were

(edit) oh and what thread got closed?

 

[Amildin]

I have also seen stoners piss their life away smoking everyday.

and you've never seen an alcoholic?

 

[Blackjack]

and you've never seen an alcoholic?

Yes i have. But if you bothered to read why i said it in the first place. He wasn't downplaying the dangers of alcohol but pot.

 

[Darksword]

might be, and i agree to alcohol generally being stronger "drug" but downplaying the dangers of smoking weed so much? I have seen what a pot induced psychosis can do to an appartment not to mention a life. Never seen anyone just drinking loose their mind so completely, they pass out before they get to that point. I have also seen stoners piss their life away smoking everyday.

On topic.
I have played drunk.. very very drunk. Fun yet very skill inhibiting all a mess of toons, QB's and pwetty spell effects

ok - alcohol is probably the biggest reason for fights in the UK, alot of drunks cause fires by accident, many car crashes, many houses are trashed in drunken rage, and many have completely lost there lives. many are arrested for drunk and disorderly, alot of police time and tax payers money is wasted. in comparison a smoke of 'erb is relatively chilled and alot calmer.

i admit both drugs have problems, but alcohol is far worse

 

[Blackjack]

might be, and i agree to alcohol generally being stronger "drug" but downplaying the dangers of smoking weed so much?

Ok, since some of you clearly are not reading the damn post! I'm not saying pot is a bigger problem than alcohol. But i do point your attention to the fact that it can be dangerous. What alot of you seem to be forgetting in your rush to do the "cool" thing a defend pot. is that there are several mental issues associated with smoking weed. It's not a harmless chilling drug it's does shit to your body excatly like alcohol does.

 

[Darksword]

Ok, since some of you clearly are not reading the damn post! I'm not saying pot is a bigger problem than alcohol. But i do point your attention to the fact that it can be dangerous. What alot of you seem to be forgetting in your rush to do the "cool" thing a defend pot. is that there are several mental issues associated with smoking weed. It's not a harmless chilling drug it's does shit to your body excatly like alcohol does.

Ok, since you clearly (or as it appears) are not reading the damn post! (that i made)

im just pointing out some of the flaws of what you are saying and i do agree with you that weed is less harmful and does cause problems but all i did was point out that not all of what you said is true.

and i didnt jump to do the "cool thing" i didnt even think of what i say ever as cool all i did was point out the flaws, and i also criticised pot. damn good thing blackjack isnt a game of much mental capacity huh? <chuckle>

 

[haarewin]

Ok, since some of you clearly are not reading the damn post! I'm not saying pot is a bigger problem than alcohol. But i do point your attention to the fact that it can be dangerous. What alot of you seem to be forgetting in your rush to do the "cool" thing a defend pot. is that there are several mental issues associated with smoking weed. It's not a harmless chilling drug it's does shit to your body excatly like alcohol does.

THC works in a similar way to opioids/opiates.
Smoking cannabis overstimulates a dopamine pathway in your brain (exactly the same way that heroin, cocaine and other drugs do), and constant use can lead to you developing paranoid schizophrenia - it's treatable but irreversible, and being strung up on antipsychotics is not going to be fun, and neither is being constantly paranoid about your friends.
people that smoke on and are unaware of or refuse to acknowledge the dangers shouldn't be surprised when they develop paranoid schizophrenia or some other mental disorder associated with cannabis.

 

[Blackjack]

Ok, since you clearly (or as it appears) are not reading the damn post! (that i made)

im just pointing out some of the flaws of what you are saying and i do agree with you that weed is less harmful and does cause problems but all i did was point out that not all of what you said is true.

and i didnt jump to do the "cool thing" i didnt even think of what i say ever as cool all i did was point out the flaws, and i also criticised pot. damn good thing blackjack isnt a game of much mental capacity huh? <chuckle>

Ohh but you see i did read the post. and pretty much all you did was point out the dangers and effects of alcohol, after quoting my post. Clearly showing that you didn't get my point.
As for your last ridiculously childish comment. I doubt you really want to get into a discussion about intellect, mental capacity and IQ with me. So take your silly keyboard warrior comments somewhere else.

 

[Darksword]

Ohh but you see i did read the post. and pretty much all you did was point out the dangers and effects of alcohol, after quoting my post. Clearly showing that you didn't get my point.
As for your last ridiculously childish comment. I doubt you really want to get into a discussion about intellect, mental capacity and IQ with me. So take your silly keyboard warrior comments somewhere else.

how am i a keyboard warrior? and if you care to get into a discussion about intellect, mental capacity and IQ, im not paticularly bothered but i will accomodate your need to prove yourself or whatever.

as you can see, you said that alcohol does not cause people to destroy there mind "so completely" - i have. And im sorry but if drinking yourself to death isnt worse than simply going loopy (long possible rant about definition of insanity) then there really is no need for intellectual discussion with you.

my last post simply points out the flaws in what you said, as i have already said, now please get a grip, and dont tell me what to do.

Oh and i believe there has been one death linked directly to cannabis, although this is highly contested, the guy who died smoked a joint every day of his life for about 4 years i think, complained of a headache for 1-2 days, then droped dead if i remember correctly. No direct cause, so they blamed his smoking habit.

 

[Blackjack]

how am i a keyboard warrior? and if you care to get into a discussion about intellect, mental capacity and IQ, im not paticularly bothered but i will accomodate your need to prove yourself or whatever.

as you can see, you said that alcohol does not cause people to destroy there mind "so completely" - i have. And im sorry but if drinking yourself to death isnt worse than simply going loopy (long possible rant about definition of insanity) then there really is no need for intellectual discussion with you.

my last post simply points out the flaws in what you said, as i have already said, now please get a grip, and dont tell me what to do.

You are a keyboard warrior for being eager to start shit when shit is not needed. And you do so from behind the safety of your little screen.
And i'll try to explain this to you again. Even though i'm sure you will completely ignore it. read it, see that i never ever said alcohol not destroying lifes or minds. I was simply drawing from personal experience to point out that weed is not a harmless chilling drug. I have seen a straight A student go into a marijuana induced psychosis. Completely.. and i mean COMPLETELY destroy an appartment and then go to the closed ward of a mentalhospital for 6 months. Yes i see drunken people fight but nothing like this, ever.
I'm not saying i dont make mistakes. But my post is not "flawed" as you say. You simply choose to take things out of context without reading the post as a hole.

 

[Darksword]

You are a keyboard warrior for being eager to start shit when shit is not needed. And you do so from behind the safety of your little screen.
And i'll try to explain this to you again. Even though i'm sure you will completely ignore it. read it, see that i never ever said alcohol not destroying lifes or minds. I was simply drawing from personal experience to point out that weed is not a harmless chilling drug. I have seen a straight A student go into a marijuana induced psychosis. Completely.. and i mean COMPLETELY destroy an appartment and then go to the closed ward of a mentalhospital for 6 months. Yes i see drunken people fight but nothing like this, ever.
I'm not saying i dont make mistakes. But my post is not "flawed" as you say. You simply choose to take things out of context without reading the post as a hole.

how am i starting shit? and if you wish we can hold this conversation in person i really dont care.

as you can see, i also draw from personal experience and point out that alcohol has done alot worse - you state that you havent seen anyone break down mentally due to alcohol, i have seen people act as would be deamed insane, and ruin there lives completely. The floored part of your argument is that you havent seen anyone ruin a house because of alcohol, you've taken one unique insident and used it to explain the problems of marijuana use universally. Consider that as a percentage, far fewer people who smoke weed cause social problems when stoned etc etc.

but i really dont care, we both generally agree on the same thing, and even if we didnt i couldnt even care enough to attempt to change your mind.

 

[Infanity]

Where is the option: None :O

 

[Blackjack]

how am i starting shit? and if you wish we can hold this conversation in person i really dont care.

as you can see, i also draw from personal experience and point out that alcohol has done alot worse - you state that you havent seen anyone break down mentally due to alcohol, i have seen people act as would be deamed insane, and ruin there lives completely. The floored part of your argument is that you havent seen anyone ruin a house because of alcohol, you've taken one unique insident and used it to explain the problems of marijuana use universally. Consider that as a percentage, far fewer people who smoke weed cause social problems when stoned etc etc.

but i really dont care, we both generally agree on the same thing, and even if we didnt i couldnt even care enough to attempt to change your mind.

Again you completely missed the point. I will try to explain this one last time simply because i can't stand the ignorance and the way you clearly try to twist my word to suit you case. I never said i haven't seen anyone having a breakdown due to alcoholism. I have seen people getting angry and break stuff from alcohol, i have seen people getting to a point where they dont really function in society. But there is a BIG difference between throwing a tantrum and throwing stuff around because you are drunk and getting a psychosis.

you state that you havent seen anyone break down mentally due to alcohol

BS! nowhere do i state that. I said that i have never seen anything like what he did. You could not reach him on any level. He was a goner. He seemed to gain superhuman stamina trying to kick the worlds ass. nothing like a drunk throwing a tantrum. And trust me i have dealt with those aswell.

you've taken one unique insident and used it to explain the problems of marijuana use universally.

You see this incident is not unique it happens everyday all over the world.

People who smoke weed and considder it to be safe are kidding themselfs. You seem to think that im trying to prove alcohol to be safer than weed.
If you cared to read my very first post i state "i agree to alcohol generally being stronger "drug" but downplaying the dangers of smoking weed so much?" This line says it all. This has never been Alcohol vs Pot. as you are trying to make it.

 

[echome]

Amphetamine / speed

A few fun hours of DF farming indeed... ToA should come with a ton of speed tbh.

 

[Lamp]

as if anyone really took heroin

Naive.

I know someone in RL who's an H addict. He's going to die soon. Its a totally life-changing drug if you're hooked on it. I can't see your average DAOC player as an H-addict. But that doesn't mean it doesn't go on.

 

[tris-]

the Dr Biochemical Pharamacutical dude said cannabis and nicotine work both on the same principal for addiction.

did you know nicotine has a an LD50 level that is worse than potassium cyanide?
cannabis LD50 level is 'better' than both nicotine and cyanide. there is another arugment for the pro grass people! nicotine is more lethal than potassium cyanide, grass is less lethal than both. to be exact i think you need like 3.5 - 4.5g/kg of body weight of nicotine to die. cyanide was around 5.

also btw, there is nothing in recorded medical history to show weed has directly caused a death. you are more likely to pass out before you could even begin taking enough to kill ya.

well now you know.

btw, id love to see how someone who smoked STRAIGHT UP BUDS FROM A C.SATIVA PLANT actually went crazy and demolished a WHOLE HOUSE.

first off, i dont believe it was straight up buds from a c.sativa plant. im guessing this dude smoked resin/hash of some form. probably containing many many things including toxic materials. may of also been spiked with other drugs.

can you confirm BJ, was it a straight up bud or a resin?

btw, i also doubt anyone played daoc while on heroin or even straight up opium .

people that smoke on and are unaware of or refuse to acknowledge the dangers shouldn't be surprised when they develop paranoid schizophrenia or some other mental disorder associated with cannabis.

this is another bad argument imo.

not everyone will get a mental disorder. only some people have gotten disorders from using it.

its not scientific fact that everyone develops problems. it does seem more likely that you would need to be pre-disposed to it to have a problem.

 

[MadsKaizer]

the Dr Biochemical Pharamacutical dude said cannabis and nicotine work both on the same principal for addiction.

did you know nicotine has a an LD50 level that is worse than potassium cyanide?
cannabis LD50 level is 'better' than both nicotine and cyanide. there is another arugment for the pro grass people! nicotine is more lethal than potassium cyanide, grass is less lethal than both. to be exact i think you need like 3.5 - 4.5g/kg of body weight of nicotine to die. cyanide was around 5.

also btw, there is nothing in recorded medical history to show weed has directly caused a death. you are more likely to pass out before you could even begin taking enough to kill ya.

well now you know.

btw, id love to see how someone who smoked STRAIGHT UP BUDS FROM A C.SATIVA PLANT actually went crazy and demolished a WHOLE HOUSE.

first off, i dont believe it was straight up buds from a c.sativa plant. im guessing this dude smoked resin/hash of some form. probably containing many many things including toxic materials. may of also been spiked with other drugs.

can you confirm BJ, was it a straight up bud or a resin?

btw, i also doubt anyone played daoc while on heroin or even straight up opium .



this is another bad argument imo.

not everyone will get a mental disorder. only some people have gotten disorders from using it.

its not scientific fact that everyone develops problems. it does seem more likely that you would need to be pre-disposed to it to have a problem.

well said

and cannabis reduces stress, and stress is worse for your health than cannabis

and about getting a mental disorder from smoking, its mostly people that had the genes for it from the start, cannabis was just a catalysator that started it.

 

[MadsKaizer]

Where is the option: None :O

your right, I forgot that one