DAoC 24/7 Game

[Amadon]

Rather than post off topic in this thread

in reply to those who argue about off peak relic raids being justifiable due to DAoC being a 24/7 game:

Yes the DAoC servers are mostly up 24/7.

However a large part of the game consists of the people who play it. DAoC is a MMORPG, which by definition means that one of it's core aspects is the massive multiplayer component. Massive Multiplayer equates to many players.

Players however cannot be on 24/7 (please don't try prove me wrong by playing non stop for a week, I'd hate to have your death on my conscience).
And neither is there currently a massive presence of players on Excalibur 24/7.

Given that one of the defining aspects of the genre is NOT present 24/7, I do not agree that the game on Excalibur is 24/7.

That people can partake in actions within the environment at any time of day does not mean that the game in all it's glory is available 24/7. A "reduced" if you will, version of the game is available - the game minus the massively multiplayer aspect.

Those people who choose to involve themselves in the game environment at times where there is no massive player presence in the game, obviously must obtain gratification from some other aspect, which is their right by all means. If they expressly desire to partake in MM activities, they have other options available (such as playing on US servers, but I would propose that those who don't, prefer the social aspects to MM or find MM tedious, painful or plainly unattractive).

Thus the argument reduces to whether or not relic raids are to be considered part of the MM aspect of the game. I do not currently see any argument for relic raids to be part of anything else, since they by nature require many participants.

If relic raids are part of the MM aspect of the game, then partaking in them when that aspect of the game is not available is blatantly selfish and destructive to that aspect of the game.

If you cannot refute my arguments, then don't bother with flames. As fun as it can be, I have no desire to belittle anyone.

 

[old.Nol]

rah WAR, people, nightshift, elephants, koreans - and I pay too...we were very, very drunk!

 

[fenikske]

People can't stay online 24/7 thats true , the server howerver is. There is a small part of the community that has other houres than those who normally play in primetime. So you wanna oblige those to change job or go live in another country if they want to participate in a relic raid, they pay as money as you so fi they want a relic raid at 6 am then its at 6 am?
There are probably the same amount of peeps availeble at your realm who can do the same as those mids did so why didn't they stop them then?

Loosing relics isn't fun for any realm, and every realm whines afterwards when they lost one (or more). This time its the hibs who have to whine.

as i quoted in another thread :

primetime scenario :
take 400 mids , 400 albs and 400 mids all level 40+ are online at primetime.
- Mids attack albion : 400 envaders & 400 defenders = massive lag + 50 % zonecrash
- 250 hibs trying to find out where the rest is and also comes to albion = ungodly lag + 100% chance of a zonecrash

whats the fun in this then I say?

DAOC is an 24/7 online game , if ya look strategicly you won't gonna do a relic raid that a) is in ungodly lag and b) has 2% chance of success

aldoh I work and I don't have any means to be online at night, non primetime relic raids are more advisable. That doesn't exclude that raids can be organized in primetime. If ya don't wanna loose your precious relic , make them fixed to the relic keep and sell tickets for visiting it

ps start why don't you start a thread in the general section of excalibur part of forum? No hib will say you are wrong because they all want the relics back ............................

 

[VodkaFairy]

There have been so many threads about this relic it's not much point starting another, I'd suggest making a poll instead.

 

[fenikske]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
There have been so many threads about this relic it's not much point starting another, I'd suggest making a poll instead.

usseless also :

most albs and mids will vote in favor and hibs not i nfavor
if ya do a poll when mids or albs loose it it will just be other sequence

 

[old.Nol]

I think you will be surprised mate, take a look at the relic thread starters on the RvR forum, one is an Alb and many albs came forward and said that they think it was lame. There are mids too that think it's lame.

 

[VodkaFairy]

Speculating is pointless, that's why I'd like to see the exact results of a poll

I know it probably won't change anything, but at least we can end the damn flaming. Who benefits from insulting/flaming/whining? Nobody. END IT!

 

[fenikske]

true true

I thought it was lame also but concidering of the "I can't hardly move and do nothing" relic attacks I witnessed I can understand why they did it

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by fenikske
true true

I thought it was lame also but concidering of the "I can't hardly move and do nothing" relic attacks I witnessed I can understand why they did it

They didn't plan this raid. It was more of a coincidence as far as I heard. I could be wrong though

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by fenikske
People can't stay online 24/7 thats true , the server howerver is. There is a small part of the community that has other houres than those who normally play in primetime. So you wanna oblige those to change job or go live in another country if they want to participate in a relic raid, they pay as money as you so fi they want a relic raid at 6 am then its at 6 am?
There are probably the same amount of peeps availeble at your realm who can do the same as those mids did so why didn't they stop them then?

Please read my post again. Specifically the arguments as to why the full game is not 24/7 even if the server is available 24/7.

Loosing relics isn't fun for any realm, and every realm whines afterwards when they lost one (or more). This time its the hibs who have to whine.

Yet again, I am glad Midgard got the relics and got back into the game. I would've preferred that they'd taken Alb relics ofc, but I'm still glad they're back. I am not whining about the loss of the relics. I do not see where I complain about it. This post is my refutement of the justification of off peak raids due to Excalibur being online 24/7.

ps start why don't you start a thread in the general section of excalibur part of forum? No hib will say you are wrong because they all want the relics back ............................

Enough flame and whine threads there that this post will be taken as such and against it's intentions.

 

[Pocyourhontas]

Amadon, help me understand what exactly you are say please.

Are you saying that it is wrong to Capitalise on the quiet times, i.e. middle of night, to take keeps, relics etc?

Dont Hibernia do that ? arent we just as bad as the albs/mids who do this? and if they can come take our relics ast these times, why cant we just reciprocate and do the same to them ? i mean, these people are human and european just the same as us, they must be a mix of professsional/student/schoolie types, just as we are. If they can do it, so can we.

I understand mostly what you say, i think, but cant actually see what it wrong with it. If the servers are up 24/7 then the game and all its features, such as relic raids, are also there 24/7. It becomes part of the game the first time someone does it, nothing stops ANYONE doing the same.

My 2 penneth. Just trying to understand where u coming from.

Pocahontas Smith - 47 Firball Druid.

 

[fenikske]

Originally posted by Pocyourhontas
Amadon, help me understand what exactly you are say please.

Are you saying that it is wrong to Capitalise on the quiet times, i.e. middle of night, to take keeps, relics etc?

Dont Hibernia do that ? arent we just as bad as the albs/mids who do this? and if they can come take our relics ast these times, why cant we just reciprocate and do the same to them ? i mean, these people are human and european just the same as us, they must be a mix of professsional/student/schoolie types, just as we are. If they can do it, so can we.

I understand mostly what you say, i think, but cant actually see what it wrong with it. If the servers are up 24/7 then the game and all its features, such as relic raids, are also there 24/7. It becomes part of the game the first time someone does it, nothing stops ANYONE doing the same.

My 2 penneth. Just trying to understand where u coming from.

Pocahontas Smith - 47 Firball Druid.

hoeray someone with the same thoughts as me, you hit the nail right on the head mate

 

[VodkaFairy]

Hibernia does not do non-primetime raids and there are plenty of arguments to support nobody should. However, nobody can force people to stop doing 6 am raids. It's just a matter of being social to others and taking care of yourself. The game's not more important then sleep. Ever.

 

[fenikske]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
The game's not more important then sleep. Ever

atleast something i should agree with

 

[VodkaFairy]

What exactely do you agree with Fen, cause I don't get it.

You think the game is not more important than the game.

You think 6 am raids are no problem.

I think 6 am raids aren't really a problem, it's just weird that people don't mind attending those early-morning/late-night events.

You sound like you don't agree with me exept the 'sleep is more important than the game' part.

Wtf?

 

[Pocyourhontas]

He said he "should" agree with it doesnt mean he does.

There are times when sleep has to take second place for the good of the realm i mean, id rahter have fun at home playing than be awake at woek anyday.

As for Hib NEVER doing raids at night or early, thats bollocks Fairy, we do as i have been on them, not often, but we do.

If there are plenty of arguments as to why we shouldnt, get them posted here cos so far you dont have a leg to stand on. Not having a pop but you say we dont do what i have done.

 

[fenikske]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
What exactely do you agree with Fen, cause I don't get it.
You sound like you don't agree with me exept the 'sleep is more important than the game' part.
Wtf?

indeed you guessed right my son

 

[VodkaFairy]

Let me say it different then: I have been on 6 relic raids and they were all at prime time. Never heard of night-time raids so I presumed there were none organised in the time I have been on this server. Even if there were, I still think the people joining those raids don't have their priorities straight. Counts for the population of all three realms.

There are times when sleep has to take second place for the good of the realm i mean, id rahter have fun at home playing than be awake at woek anyday.

You're an addict. It's not healthy, and you know it. Your choice.

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by fenikske

indeed you guessed right my son

1) Read my post again.
2) I couldn't be your son, as I'm not male.
3) Stomme belg

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Pocyourhontas
Amadon, help me understand what exactly you are say please.

Are you saying that it is wrong to Capitalise on the quiet times, i.e. middle of night, to take keeps, relics etc?

I try not to judge people (and fail too often ). I am trying to say that if one looks at the concept of the game as something beyond just the hardware and software, then the game is not 24/7 in it's entirity, and thus that justification falls flat for something that is inherently part of the aspect that is not available 24/7.
I am assuming that the majority of people play DAoC to play against and with other people, due to it being a multiplayer game. I also assume that they play it to play against lots of other people due to it being a massively multiplayer game. I don't think those assumptions are particularly invalid for a MMORPG with thousands of participants.

Dont Hibernia do that ? arent we just as bad as the albs/mids who do this? and if they can come take our relics ast these times, why cant we just reciprocate and do the same to them ?

Why can't we reciprocate.. we CAN, that is the crux of all the apparent whine posts. I, and some other less myopic people, do not wish to see what can be an extremely fulfilling and fun part of the game degenerate into a series of early morning raids which most people cannot take part in, and where the value and sense of achievement in success is belittled.

i mean, these people are human and european just the same as us, they must be a mix of professsional/student/schoolie types, just as we are. If they can do it, so can we.

Yes, we can. It has not been done for a long time for a reason. That reason has been repeated many times recently, but people are blinded by the assumption that we are just whining about losing our relics and so they refuse to read or understand the reason. See my preceding paragraph.

I understand mostly what you say, i think, but cant actually see what it wrong with it. If the servers are up 24/7 then the game and all its features, such as relic raids, are also there 24/7.

In my opinion, by the nature of the game, the hardware and software are not the only elements of the game. The players are in my opinion the most important part of the game. Without the players, DAoC would not be anywhere near as enjoyable for more than a brief period of time.

It becomes part of the game the first time someone does it, nothing stops ANYONE doing the same.

Foresight and understanding of the potential consequences of a person's actions could prevent him from doing the same.

I appreciate the lack of flames

My whole argument depends upon your interpretation of the game. I understand the interpretation that people who say it's a 24/7 game have, and I disagree with that. I am trying to explain my interpretation and why the 24/7 argument is invalid, however I'm obviously failing miserably

 

[Pocyourhontas]

Amadon,

I do understand your arguments now, thanks for clarifying it to me.

But, it sounds to me like you are asking for rules regards these raids etc. i.e. Dont do it when we arent online to defend maybe? a sort of gentlemen's agreement regards to raids etc. Doubt that would work, they allow French people to play too you know

Unfortunately, a lot of people, myself included, play these sort of things to switch off the stresses, rules and rigours of everyday life and would not want to see rules introduced into what is after all, a game (sorry for saying that, but i had to )

I do agree that it is a lot more sporting to do it when we have a chance to defend, but by the same token we could do it to them too, whilst they are tucked up with Teddy pushing out Zzzzzzs. And it is also, as you correctly say, a lot more fun to defend a keep and possibly lose than to have no chance to defend it at all.

So, as you see, i do agree with what you say, but what i am saying is you cant stop people playing however or whenever they wish to play.

But getting up at 6am to take a keep is taking it all a tad too serious, i mean, what does it matter, cosmically speaking, wwho has the most keeps or relics?

 

[Amadon]

aye I know I can't force people to do anything, and I wouldn't really want to either.. I'd just like to try provide a window into my perspective on the game to others, which may make it more enjoyable, or may just be ignored, or most likely be flamed
I don't want to set up rules at all. I need to work on my communication skills I know
Personally, the relic bonus means very little to me. I will still die 2 seconds after an enemy targets me, and I will still have fun with or without the bonus.
What matters about relics to me is the fun that can be had getting them.
If other people value the bonus above the fun.. good for them I guess..

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by Pocyourhontas
Amadon,

I do understand your arguments now, thanks for clarifying it to me.

But, it sounds to me like you are asking for rules regards these raids etc. i.e. Dont do it when we arent online to defend maybe? a sort of gentlemen's agreement regards to raids etc. Doubt that would work, they allow French people to play too you know

Unfortunately, a lot of people, myself included, play these sort of things to switch off the stresses, rules and rigours of everyday life and would not want to see rules introduced into what is after all, a game (sorry for saying that, but i had to )

I do agree that it is a lot more sporting to do it when we have a chance to defend, but by the same token we could do it to them too, whilst they are tucked up with Teddy pushing out Zzzzzzs. And it is also, as you correctly say, a lot more fun to defend a keep and possibly lose than to have no chance to defend it at all.

So, as you see, i do agree with what you say, but what i am saying is you cant stop people playing however or whenever they wish to play.

But getting up at 6am to take a keep is taking it all a tad too serious, i mean, what does it matter, cosmically speaking, wwho has the most keeps or relics?

Exactely what I've been trying to say

We all think it's not "normal" but we can't force them to do anything either.

 

[fenikske]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy


1) Read my post again.
2) I couldn't be your son, as I'm not male.
3) Stomme belg

1) read enough nonsense for today
2) good for you and even better for me because i don't want a son
3) stommen vlaming dan als ge dan toch koosnaamkes gaat gebruiken maja zo te horen ben je van nederland , dat verklaart ook al veel