Dangersmurfs Plan for ML Madness!!!

[Durgi]

Firstly Durgi may well "need that armour" - hell dont we all need an uber chestpiece? but is running a step thats been done 2 days earlier and prolonging the raid really necessary so we may allow Durgi to get something "he needs"? To say "if no one like them terms they wouldnt have come" is rather silly - we failed on 6.9 on sunday so that step needed to be redone and its not like ppl had a choice of shall we do it tonight or mebbe next next week when we feel like it - those raids on 6.9 are not at all common and if ppl wanted to get that step before doing later ml's then they had no choice but to accept that Durgi wanted to redo 6.10 again.

Actually Blue 6.10 was added to the intended plan of ml6.9 and ml7 at the request of a number of people whom didn't have the step for various reasons. I saw no harm in as we were in the area, with a strong enough force in taking the time to get it done for them. Nor was there any harm in killing it anyways. You have a nice zerg with you, your passing the mob on route to ml7 or ml6.9. It takes what 15-20 minutes its not exactly a hardship to kill it, the raids special loot count goes up, and more people get a share in the spoils. I'm sorry if I went out my way to accomodate peoples requests.

D.

D.

 

[charmangle]

Secondly getting an extra pair of stones from a Dragon Raid is not at all like claiming a very special drop from a mob. I spend usually between 1.5-2 hours (of my rl time) every week making up the groups for the Dragon Raids none of which can be automated so I manually pick and choose the ppl to make the very opted groups. I roll like everyone else on the remains (very sought after still) and the 4 named drops. My point here is that imo its unfair to compare me taking an extra pair of stones out of 50 to a raid leader taking a very special or rare drop.

I would like to start with saying that I for one think you and every other raidleader deserv a little something for their efforts. So the extra stones on a dragon raid are well deserved.

But and there always is...

Your argument that its not comparable to claiming drops from MLs arent the same thing is way of base in my mind. You ARE claiming an item worth 8-12 platina on merchants. With that kind of money you can buy 8 cermonial bracers or 1 jasinas sash or 2-8 of almost all of the remains from MLs. Those are just examples of what that extra stones bring you every week.

And say that you spend 1.5-2 hours before every dragon raid double, tripple or even take 4 times that time and you have the time I put in into most of the ML raids I host. (farming items needed before hand, helping groups get groupsteps so they can get the mlsteps, reading up and preparing for the steps) Not to mention that I almost always run with 2 bots during the raid (summsm/Shieldie or what ever is needed + fopbot) just to get the steps done as fast as possible during the raid.

Take this the right way now...I still dont think there is any difference between hosting different raids. All are alot of work period. But just because of that I also think that its kind of 'greedy' not allowing a raidleader to claim atleast 1 item from the raids they host (ofc there should be some sort of descression with these choises. Claiming the most valued items from a raid might be considered crossing the line. But claiming a scroll or remains are hardly that.)

An example of crossing the line in my opinion was Durgis claiming of SB hauberk from his first ml6 raid AS well as claiming the remains. I was only SB other than him in the BG and didnt feel it was that fair to claim both items. This goes double when he has claiming rules according to 1 class. Since it removes the only thing I could roll for on the entire raid. But its his raid so I didnt complain.

I have heared alot of complaints about there not beeing any MLs posted on FH anymore. And frankly im not surpriced. With the way some of the community treated Vavires here it was only expected. Dedication needs encuragement not abuse. When you post comments consider putting in the time to actually make arguments instead of just abusing people it only degrades yourself aswell as it makes our raidleaders quit doing raids.

As for myself I only do FFA raids when my alliance, guild or friends nags me enough to go through the crap. I used to think raids was among the most fun things about the game to run but just got worn out by the constant complaining. Even though 95% were possitive the last 5% was the ones you tend to listen to unfortunatly.

/Charmangle

ps. A short of the post:
In my opinion raidleaders deserv a little something for hosting the raid and to ensure that there are raids run regularly. Treat people with respect and try to make arguments instead of pure abuse on the forum or we will find ourselves without raidleaders one day!:/ ds

 

[charmangle]

I would like to start with saying...

To Bluesky, Durgi, Zedenz and all the rest of the raidleaders:

Thanks for all the time you put into the realm just to help us out. We do appreciate it and hope you keep up the good work!

/Charmangle

 

[Prudil]

I attended Durgis raid last night and if ppl claim skills in leading ML raids this is my verdict: It's not all about leading a raid and obtaining the goal. It's about leadership, following schedule, cooperating with other raid leaders, beeing an overall mature leader, beeing polite and at the same time stribe to keep the zerg diciplined. Without dicipline the zerg becomes extremly afk and the overall effectiveness of the zerg is sub-par. Attending a well organized raid is also about beeing effective and not wasting ppls time.

In comparison: I dont know the exact number of mlsteps done on the SC ML marathon, but it was many and took 14h (breaks included). Last night we did 6 steps and it took 5 hours (with a 5 minute break).

My personal favorites, when it comes to well organized raids:
SC crew (ML marathon) >>>> Bluesky's FFA raids >>>> Bulle Crew >>> Random FFA raids >>>> Durgi lead Raids

As to Bluesky/Belomar's comments - I couldnt agree more - well said

My 2 cents.

 

[Durgi]

ok in a change of plan Wednesday 14th Septembers Ml5 and 6 bg steps will be moved to Saturday 17th 2pm gmt meeting in Stygia Haven. Those requiring ML xp after ml8 Friday evening be sure to attend the moving of the date is to accomodate you. As such Saturdays ML9 raid is moved to 1pm gmt Sunday 18th.

So in summary:

Ml5 and 6 bg steps Saturday 17th Sept 2pm gmt stygia haven.

ML9 sunday 18th sept 1pm gmt Aerus Haven.

In replacement of the shifted ml5 and 6 raid, will be something to break up the monotomy of toa. Possibly TG, i'll feel around see what people want.

D.

 

[pjuppe]

As for myself I only do FFA raids when my alliance, guild or friends nags me enough to go through the crap. I used to think raids was among the most fun things about the game to run but just got worn out by the constant complaining. Even though 95% were possitive the last 5% was the ones you tend to listen to unfortunatly.

/Charmangle

so, when are you going to take me ML9-farming then?

 

[Bluesky]

Actually Blue 6.10 was added to the intended plan of ml6.9 and ml7 at the request of a number of people whom didn't have the step for various reasons. I saw no harm in as we were in the area, with a strong enough force in taking the time to get it done for them. Nor was there any harm in killing it anyways. You have a nice zerg with you, your passing the mob on route to ml7 or ml6.9. It takes what 15-20 minutes its not exactly a hardship to kill it, the raids special loot count goes up, and more people get a share in the spoils. I'm sorry if I went out my way to accomodate peoples requests.

After seeing the question asked more than once and not seeing any answers from yourself about why we we're redoing 6.10 other than what Haxyn wrote in his post what else are ppl to presume knowing that you are after the sb 6.10 hauberk?

If you had stated we were doign 6.10 again for some ppl who had requested it to you them I am confident there would not have been any discussion about it at all - either on the raid or in this post. To leave ppl uncertain of your possible motives (or more to the point for them to think the worst and lets face it a lot of ppl do) was the issue not at all that you were trying to help ppl - that ofc I can only acknowledge as a decent thing to do which I would support any raid leader doing. All that was needed was some clarification and now you have given it so I see no issue here.

If I had one of those jerkins spare I would give it to you Durgi as I am the kind of person to give away stuff (no i dont publicise this but there are plenty of ppl I have given respec stones and drops to) but sadly when we were farming chimera regularly in TR the leather hauberk only dropped once and we did it for Dwera.

 

[Bluesky]

To Bluesky, Durgi, Zedenz and all the rest of the raidleaders:

Thanks for all the time you put into the realm just to help us out. We do appreciate it and hope you keep up the good work!

/Charmangle

Just one thing to say to that Charmangle.....

GROUP HUGS

 

[blejs]

Durgi if you can, it would be better if ml 9 was around 16.30-1700cet since ml 10 raid is 14.00cet. So some raid might lack numbers since both are combinding here.

 

[Plik]

Uber ml9 :worthy: :worthy:

 

[Zedenz]

To Bluesky, Durgi, Zedenz and all the rest of the raidleaders:

Thanks for all the time you put into the realm just to help us out. We do appreciate it and hope you keep up the good work!

/Charmangle

Thanks for the mention

Although I am still a peon compared to the Might of Bluesky and Durgi's Raid Resume!

I agree though, for the most part I enjoy the epic pve raids, sometimes stress filled but the kind words and the joy of seeing somebody get a trinket they couldn't otherwise obtain without the help of your raid, is magic truly is.

I'm a huge fan of Durgi and Bluesky, so as such, I am not going to comment. Personaly though I don't have a problem with loot claiming, especialy when it's done in the manner that Durgi does it.

So keep it up guys, doing a grand job despite what people say.

Oh and as for Dragon stones, I guess everybody on the raids gets their fair share of stones (which is what, for the most part people go on the dragon raids for, not the drops) the spare ones are just that, spare. Nobody loses and nobody wins, I think it's fair enough that he takes the spare set for the time it takes for arranging. If it was just a mass FFA, then perhaps it wouldn't be fair to claim them, but since the raid is organised in such a way that everybody gets what they came for then it is more then warranted imo.

EDIT: Oh and as for arranging around public raids, it is annoying for the fixed raid but as there are so many regular raids these days you are pretty much guaranteed to be stepping on one assuming you want your raid to go ahead at a practical time.

Even when I run internal guild events I make the effort to organise them outside of public raid times, but sometimes it cannot be avoided. After all I'd rather see a healthy ammount of raids anyway then very few.

 

[Kvadi]

Thanks for the mention

Although I am still a peon compared to the Might of Bluesky and Durgi's Raid Resume!

I agree though, etc etc...

At last an excellent post on an otherwise awful thread. Everything said is positive and there's no criticism of individuals. Well done Z.

Many, many thanks to ALL of the raid leaders, whatever way you choose to run your raids. I'll continue to be a regular participant as long as Prydwen stays a pleasant, friendly place to play.

 

[belxavier]

At last an excellent post on an otherwise awful thread. Everything said is positive and there's no criticism of individuals. Well done Z.

Many, many thanks to ALL of the raid leaders, whatever way you choose to run your raids. I'll continue to be a regular participant as long as Prydwen stays a pleasant, friendly place to play.

pff didnt u read the sign? dont feed the n00bs ego!

 

[Brite]

fight dem hibbies and albsies for thor!!!!!!!!111111 not each other! qq


btw bluesky is miastar big ego!

 

[Bluesky]

fight dem hibbies and albsies for thor!!!!!!!!111111 not each other! qq


btw bluesky is miastar big ego!

rofl Brite you often somehow manage to bring a smile to my face where others fail

... sometimes in frustration, sometimes in amusement but this time because you say i am "Miastar big ego" - coming from Mr "BIGGER THAN JESUS" thats some statement

/feeds the monkeys

 

[Durgi]

Time Set for ml9 Sunday is 11am gmt in Aerus haven. We'll for those who gain ml9 hopefully be join Zedenk's ml10 later in the afternoon.

D.

 

[mercury]

Limb

Heigh-ho. Seems I'm the only one left out on the end of this particular limb.
Someone chuck me a saw.....

 

[Brite]

rofl Brite you often somehow manage to bring a smile to my face where others fail

... sometimes in frustration, sometimes in amusement but this time because you say i am "Miastar big ego" - coming from Mr "BIGGER THAN JESUS" thats some statement

/feeds the monkeys

are you here to say i am not bigger than jesus? come on give it to me straight bluesky, or is that asking too much because everyone knows that infact i am bigger than jesus its just so damn obvious..... hey i just thought maybe i goto hell for saying that i am, or maybe god doesnt really like his son and ill get like big throne thingin the after life! pwned irl?

bringing a smile to blueskys face is depressing :< could atleast have brought a smile to someone that is worthwhile!


edit: i think we should force boudicca to do a sponsored silence \o/

 

[mercury]

edit: i think we should force boudicca to do a sponsored silence \o/

..what do you think the saw's for, Einstein?

 

[Bluesky]

Yet again Brite you bring a smile to my face rofl

edit: i think we should force boudicca to do a sponsored silence \o/

Now then if only we could get Brite to do a sponsored silence - now thats something ppl would pay damn good money for

 

[mercury]

I so have ot make a comment Here im a friend of Coolans and Durgis but im not defending no one here at this time.


and Also Merc your a prat what difference does your little say in anything have to do with anything the raid has been done get over it i have not seen you do anything cept attend a few raids here and there, dude you couldnt even keep your Guild up so stop with the little crying about one Item so what, also does it make you extra special cause you haev lots of ml 10s and loads of useless crap in your CM NOPE, i could easyly run ml1-10 its not hard to read a step by step manual on how to do it but hell if someone else has done it before and tels me differetn i will do it there way, you dont even contribute to anything you just whine so before you start going on about how youve been playing since beta you best check on what you actually know cause a noob in a few days could run a ml raidbut you do nothing.

Lol. Dunno what you're on, but it sure takes you more than a few steps away from reality. I think you're supposed to read and understand what's been put in a post, but if you want to indulge in illiterate rant who am I to stop you? You've only seen me on a 'few' raids cos that's all you cba to do. I've never heard of you, or seen YOU do anything useful, so maybe we're about even there. I wonder what YOUR mods are on Erinys, Jacina, ML10, Kraken-Levi and BoZ? Second thoughts - I don't - not at all interested.
And I don't think you should insult Mid Pryd players in general by suggesting my cm stocks useless crap. Since they're the ones that buy it in large quantities at the lowest prices perhaps they would disagree. If I were that sort of a person, I'd be laughing all the way to the bank. Mind you, I see you as the sort that would imagine artis and scroll books useless, probably coz you aint got off your arse to get any.
You're perfectly entitled to think I'm a prat and to call me one, if that's your level of debate, but you are NOT so entitled to use your obvious ignorance to bring in my guild, and my co-GM. The circumstances of my taking it over with Joohl you obviously know sweet fa about. They have nothing to do with this at all - I'm whining, as you so originally call it, entirely on my own behalf.

And as for not defending Coolan or Durgi - you're quite right. Your post has done them no favours whatever. Durgi's behaviour I might express an opinion about and with Coolan I'll argue the point, but you might have noticed they stuck to the point and held up their end. All you did was drag it into the dust - you have no respect, and you'll get none either. Your language and literacy are a disgrace and I'm appalled to see we appear to come from the same part of the country.

Take my advice - grow up a bit, then come and play with the big boys and girls.

 

[Coolan]

merc wheres my flying pig already, im getting lonely.

 

[mercury]

merc wheres my flying pig already, im getting lonely.

You mean pigs are your usual company? I think not. Anyway, just imagine the mess on cars....

 

[Kraben]

My personal favorites, when it comes to well organized raids:
SC crew (ML marathon) >>>>...

We just got beginners luck

 

[Kraben]

I attended Durgis raid last night and if ppl claim skills in leading ML raids this is my verdict: It's not all about leading a raid and obtaining the goal. It's about leadership, following schedule, cooperating with other raid leaders, beeing an overall mature leader, beeing polite and at the same time stribe to keep the zerg diciplined. Without dicipline the zerg becomes extremly afk and the overall effectiveness of the zerg is sub-par. Attending a well organized raid is also about beeing effective and not wasting ppls time.

In comparison: I dont know the exact number of mlsteps done on the SC ML marathon, but it was many and took 14h (breaks included). Last night we did 6 steps and it took 5 hours (with a 5 minute break).

Average recorded number of participants: 141
ML1 completion: ~ 1 hour
ML2 completion: ~ 1:50 hour
ML3 completion: ~ 2:20 hour
ML4 completion: ~ 2:30 hour
ML6 completion: ~ 2:10 hour
ML8 completion: ~ 2:05 hour
Total time spend, no breaks: 11:55 hours

Number of steps completed: 46 steps
Average time per step: 15 minutes

 

[HaXyN|Kloak|Haf]

Maybe cause you see i allready have my template done also why would i go on Raids i dont need to go on oh yeah and thing is i dont look for Respect i look to play the game i have no respect for anyone you say i have Respect for the people actually doing stuff unlike you and hum lets see i have done nothing for nobody, your mistaken i do things for other people not myself cause quite onestly im only a shaman.

Also might i add that what has Mods got to do with naff all i go on Raids with people i know not Randomers that dont know what there doing no im not a L33t player ill admit but i think you chat shit sayin youve never seen me out there look at Brite and Bluesky i dont see them ever does that mean they dont do anything nope so think about what your talking about.

Plus im only 17 i have no Care in the world about nothing

 

[mercury]

Plus im only 17 i have no Care in the world about nothing

Maybe, maybe not. But when you get out into the real world with no SOH, a big chip on your shoulder and unable to find the shift key on your kbd, and you have to persuade an employer you can actually read and write, you'll soon change your tune.

17? That happens to be the same age as me, but I hope against hope I dont come over as an ill-mannered ignorant lout playing at being grown up.

 

[blejs]

oki 12.00cet for ml 9 on sunday, dont forget to add that on first post also. So ppl dont show up on saturday :>

 

[Krakatau]

are you here to say i am not bigger than jesus? come on give it to me straight bluesky, or is that asking too much because everyone knows that infact i am bigger than jesus its just so damn obvious..... hey i just thought maybe i goto hell for saying that i am, or maybe god doesnt really like his son and ill get like big throne thingin the after life! pwned irl?

bringing a smile to blueskys face is depressing :< could atleast have brought a smile to someone that is worthwhile!


edit: i think we should force boudicca to do a sponsored silence \o/

I heard you kill people, and Jesus ressed some...

 

[Brite]

I heard you kill people, and Jesus ressed some...

whos to say whats right and wrong!








me thats who