CS Crashing

[old.Cornholio]

Hi

I hope someone can help..

My system keeps locking up in CS when I play in GL mode, after about 10 mins or so. I hate it.

I have tried different drivers for the agp, vid card, dx, blah, blah!

I can play AHL no probs.. but as soon as I play CS... lockup. You know the old clasic hardware lockup with the last sound looping over and over...

Anyone know a fix for this please??

I have a duron 800@1000, Abit KT7A, CL GF2 GTS, 256MB RAM and Win 98SE.

Cheers

 

[Ch3tan]

Your soundcard?

 

[old.[TF]JohnnyBoy]

I have cs crashes too

well I seem to have the same cl;assic crash problem as yourself, I have...

amd 850 Thunderbird, gigabyte kt133 7zm (VIA), Creative GF2 GTS, SoundB Live 1024, Win98SE, 256 mb Ram,

i've got all latest drivers on , and the crashing has only been a recent thing
VIA 4.29
Nvidia 6.50
DirextX 8.0a

I just don't know what to do, I've re installed everything
please some one

John

 

[Perplex]

It's your gfx card conflicting with a piece of hardware. I had the same problem, and then discovered it was my 2nd NIC conflicting with the gfx card.

Funny thing is, both the NIC and the GFX card worked perfectly...and windows did not report any conflicts, yet when I pulled out the 2nd NIC, CS started to behave properly.

 

[old.[TF]JohnnyBoy]

Ahh really? I presume NIC stands for Network Interface Card? I'm not sure. Well Yes I have one of them , so I'll try removing it, and if it still happens perhaps I'll try just moving some of the other PCI cards around a bit.

cheers
John

 

[Perplex]

No probs. Basically, the only way I can figure it out is that the Geforce cards use a HUGE amount of resources, and that this encroaches on some other devices. So windows either a) tries to share the resource or b) allocates the Geforce card or the other card (NIC in my case) to different resources (DMA, IO, IRQ etc). Although this works for most devices the geforce seems to dislike it (especially in opengl)

 

[*Exor*]

The problem is you are using AMD's. Buy a non-toy processor and report back.

 

[*Kornholio*]

LOL !!!!

 

[Perplex]

To be honest, he's right. I take it that being an AMD user, you live in a caravan?

 

[old.Cornholio]

Originally posted by *Exor*
The problem is you are using AMD's. Buy a non-toy processor and report back.

twat.

intel processors suck ass big time. megahertz for megahertz amd duron and althon processors wank in the face of any intel piece of shit. they also happen to be a damn site cheaper!

my duron is far better than a piii piece of shit at the same speed and it is much more stable overclocked.

if you ever think that it is cool to slag someone off cause they have an non inthell chip, then you are very sad. grow up and smell the fuckin weed dickwipe!

oh btw... i have sorted the problem no thanks to you. i disabled agp x4, which you may think is stupid, well it is not.. i lost 20 3dmarks.... big deal. i still get 85fps in cs at 1280x960!

go play with your underpowered intel wank, im sticking to amd.




[Edited by Cornholio on 19-04-01 at 20:39]

 

[Perplex]

lol, i get solid 100fps...on my "wanky" Intel. Oh, btw...do you live in a caravan or not? Take it you don't need to pay for central heating what with using an AMD? Do you sell heather and clothespegs gypsy boy?

 

[Grom]

You have to admit Cornholio, all these people who infest the forums complaining of wierd crashes, slow performance, or program errors, use AMD processors.

I can't remember the last time I saw a problem post from someone with an Intel processor.

I admire AMD, but I am basically not willing to sacrifice stability in my machine for extra performance.

PAAAAAAAAAAAAARP

Grom

 

[old.Cornholio]

Originally posted by Perplex
lol, Take it you don't need to pay for central heating what with using an AMD? Do you sell heather and clothespegs gypsy boy?

that's good...what next?

 

[old.Cream_AH]

I agree

Yeah i must agree, i have an AMD and they r great, but i would agree - no way are they as stable as Intel.

A few yrs ago i had an Intel and in the time i could count the number of times it crashed on 1 hand. However after buying an AMD (btw they r good) i would need the hands of an entire nation to count on. They have no difference in speed or any other bollocks like fps but they r generelly less stable when transferring between 3d and 2d and generally when running some programmes.

If i was super-rich id buy Intel, Dont buy P4s btw - they suck

[Edited by Cream_AH on 20-04-01 at 03:11]

 

[lovedaddy]

Personally I think the AMD is every bit as stable as Intel. I've got an Athlon 1Gig and a P3-933, and without a doubt, my Intel has generally had more conflicts and errors. Currently I'm trying to get rid of 'mouse lag' within Unreal Tournament (I've got a GeForce 2 in them both, I know that can be a cause).
The main, and about only trouble I've had with my AMD was getting my USB Zip drive to work. But with a little research on the net into the bios settings, I managed to figure out what to change and tweek.
My other AMD athlon (500 Slot A) is working as a dedicated linux server and router, and again, with the exception of my lack of knowledge (mainly not understanding VIA drivers at the time), its been crash free.
Without a doubt the most stable system I've ever had was my old P2-400 on the BX chipset, but with the diversity of chipsets on Intel motherboards, the days of a single tried and tested chipset are all but gone.

Performance wise, the AMD is generally notably faster than the Intel.

My advice, I would pick AMD everyday of the week.

 

[old.Cornholio]

well said lovedaddy..

most amd crashes are due to user setup errors. like you say some reasearch on the net or from friends will soon sort the problem.

nice to see someone has something constructive to say instead of throwing the rattle out of their cots!

 

[old.[TF]JohnnyBoy]

getting back to the point...

well as the AMD vs Intel rages I am still wondering how to solve the crash problems, and the most stable way to set up my hardware. What direct setting to the GF2 can I make to increase the stability, any suggestions for bios settings? - fast write, side band setting etc?
Well I'll be leaving my computer until summer holiday because I go back to uni soon, and no doubt by then there will be a new set of drivers for everybit of hardware I own so things might change, you never know.

John

 

[old.GateKeeper]

I have a 1Ghz@1133 Athlon T'Bird on a Asus A7V133 and it is no where near as stable/as easy to get stability as my old BX133 + PIII 450@600 which ran fine once i got some PC133 memory for it.

Having said that the drivers are getting there and I wouldn't go back for anything - I run windows 2000 and as long as i am not overclocking by too much it is sooo stable!

GAteKeeper

 

[old.Cornholio]

from the register.co.uk

perplex... if you dont belive me, then what about the reg??

this is regarding the launch of the new P4 1.7Gig chip..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/18455.html

some clips for you...

"...it is still a little slow"

"...this is the fastest Intel you can get. Whether it is the fastest processor you can get though, is entirely another matter"

Corn

 

[lovedaddy]

The sound looping problem makes it sound to me like its overheating. Thats what mine used to do when it used to overheat. Just a suggestion, but have you tried playing things like Quake3? Mine used to always die on Tourney4 (technically the most demanding level in Q3A as far as texture swapping goes I think).

 

[Grom]

The issue is not about speed.

AMDs are cheap, and very fast. But they are less stable than Intel chipset combinations.

thx.

 

[Perplex]

Which is why the vast majority of major vendors don't offer AMD as server options...due to stability

For the apps and functions my PCs operate I need 100% stability, and I'm not poor, so I pay for the higher quality/stability CPU

 

[lovedaddy]

In that case I guess you dont use an Intel and Windows then.

 

[Perplex]

As it happens, I do

 

[lovedaddy]

100% stable? And you use windows? Good luck.

 

[old.Cornholio]

im not poor either?!!?!?!

eheheeh yeah like windows 100% stable! ehehehhe

My friend... you have much to learn.

even the most resiliant OS, such as Unix and varients, are not 100% stable.... the fabled "5 nines" or 99.999% uptime is the holy grail as far as PC/workstation/servers is concerned..... it is barley acheivable... and not with any windows platform..

with concern to the amd server market, iirc ibm have just announced that they will be suppliing athlon and above scalable processor servers very soon.

as for you sly insults to my back pocket and the cash there in... i am not poor. it is simple.... i do not like paying through the nose for inferior products! especially when i can get a stronger product for cheaper. sure i have some stuff to learn on getting some bugs ironed out, but that is life mate... learning is good... putting your head in the sand is not... it is sad.

Someone once said... ignorance can be bliss, but with knowledge comes wisdom!

 

[Ch3tan]

Perplex had some good points, I have 4 friends with AMD based machines, 2 have t-birds and they all got their kit incuding mobo from one of the two uk overclockers stores.

I on the other hand have a p3 based system. Now I can install an OS and software, run my PC perfectly well -the only problems i get is with my soundcard and rogerwilco. I have the most stable 9x system I have ever seen.

My friends systems however are prone to failure, they have software/hardware problems many crahses and keepign their system on for a day is unlikely. Now maybe they are all incredibly bad at putting together a system, but it definetly has put me off AMD processors.

When I look to get a new Pc in summer I will no longer be thinking that t-brids out perform p4's, I will be thinking if i get a p4 do I care if it had 100 less points in benchmarks? No I will be thinking which system is going to give me less hassle and be much more stable

 

[lovedaddy]

Most stability problems that people seem to suffer is generally down to lack of knowledge, or lack of understanding. As Ive said, Im running an Athlon1Gig, and the ONLY problem I've had, relates to the fact that I didn't correctly understand which BIOS settings to adjust to get my USBZip drive working. After a day or two research on the net, I worked out exactly which values to change, and since then my system has been as close to perfect as any other PC Ive had (including my much loved P2-400 on a BX chipset).
Intel at the moment have several motherboard chipsets, 840, 820, 810, not to mention the ones with the built in video cards & soundcards. And thats just the P3 range of processors. There are already 2 chipsets for the P4 (a new one for the 'Northwood' P4s). And lets not forget the total cock up that were the 1.13gig P3 and the Memory translation HUB for SDRam on the 800 series chipsets. Those two things just didn't work at all.

Just as an example of stability, Im running a Linux server (Red Hat 6.2), doing all the usual stuff, cashing DNS, DHCP, router, etc, On an athlon500. Currently its not been rebooted for over 3 months.

 

[Ch3tan]

THats exactly my point, I dont want to research or look to get things to work, so far on my pentium systems everything has worked striaght off the bat.

 

[lovedaddy]

What? You going to spend £1000+ pounds on a piece of hardware and you dont want to learn how to use it correctly? That’s like buying a car, but not being able to drive. For the sake of 2 days research (and it only totalled about 2 hours over that 2 days), I got my system working as well as I could hope. What, so I needed to know how to use a search engine, oh and be able to read. Its not difficult.
And as for Intel systems, on my P3-933 Im still having trouble with Nvidia GeForce 2 mouse lag in UT. I also had this trouble with my Athlon1Gig, but newer drivers (VIA 4-1 4.27) got rid of the problem. So, if anything, it’s the P3 that STILL is not working correctly. Great stuff Intel. Not only was the CPU more expensive than the Athlon motherboard, CPU and 128Mb of RAM put together (and at the time it was), it not as fast, and aint working correctly. Thank god work buys my hardware, otherwise I’d be feeling ripped off.