Could there be a correlance in internet behaviour and "bad youth"?

[old.Tohtori]

When we were growing up, meaning people who were teenagers in the age of pre-internet-era(when it wasn't a mainstream thing), our discussion and socialisation was limited to face to face/phone discussions.

Both are very direct, fast to counter/explain. Also, if you're talking to someone in real life, insulting one another could end up in a fistfight. Or fistface in fast cases. This brought a certain "decor" or behaviour model of "common courtesy".

As the internet came, we ofcourse took some freedom in those manners to insult eachother and act, for the lack of better term, "like cocks". But we kept the learned behaviour of youth when dealing with people in real life. We still watch out what we say and try to behave.

When the youth of the internet era are growing up however, they have much more social interaction over the net. As such, they are basically growing up in a semi-wrold where insults, bad manners and such are a norm.

This brings me to my point; could it be, that the lack of "real life only" social interaction and the lack of common courtesy on the net, is part reason why the youth of these days is more, how to put it nicely, "arrogant and misbehaving"?

 

[Phantoman]

if you look at History from the 1600's
It is well documented that they say the same thing
why am i posting on this ffs i must be pissed

 

[old.Tohtori]

if you look at History from the 1600's
It is well documented that they say the same thing
why am i posting on this ffs i must be pissed

This be a good start for a point in the discussion, lemme know tomorrow in a more constructive way what you mean

I kinda know what you mean, but better to ask then assume.

 

[Aoami]

No. You're tarring everyone with the same brush, when infact it's just a sub culture.

 

[megadave]

the hate builds inside me i dont know what to do

 

[old.Tohtori]

Just to be clear, i'm not saying "internetz is making people evil", i'm saying, that there could be a connection with lack of manners with the lack of manners in the enviroment you are brought up in and as such, many modern youth are partly brought up via internet.

 

[kiliarien]

This is a very interesting, and for me, a poignant argument as I'm a teacher who sees, as Toh puts it, "arrogant and misbehaving" kids far more often than I would like.

The number of instances of 'cyber-bullying' as they call it is silly. Kids feel they can be more brash behind a PC (in fact, adults do too) so I wonder whether social networking sites and iM (or forums?) are a good or bad thing.

I tend to think that forums aren't so bad as people have a common interest and even though we are harsh at times, it's nothing compared to some of the IM stuff that our staff had to deal with in school. Let's be honest, social background and parenting are HUGE factors in the whole equation.

Of course on the net context is generally lost sometimes (or maybe a lot of the time with a lot of people in one IM conversation who are quite young), which complicates the issue.

Personally I believe that net language is creating a culture with pervasive aggression as very often there is no retaliation in a 'real' sense. People need real interaction - as much as I enjoy online games, forums etc. it's no substitue for the real thing and I just hope that a lot of this and the next few generations acknowledge that.

Linking back to Toh saying about the youth of today - I would like to note, without being sexist, that blokes generally in the past got annoyed with each other and it ended with a few punches and it was dealt with. Schoolgirls however have protracted battles that harbour more bitterness than the hundred years' war and the net helps them.

A simple fact - male bullying is cruel and quick. Female bullying is worse and long term. This is just my perspective of course.

We could of course fragment this argument into mobile phones too, where the prolifiration of technology has increased ridiculous levels of porn on phones and other devices. I just, honestly, don't want kids or young adults to try and grow up too fast - they'll never value their younger years until they are older (which of course by then is too late).

Sorry to rant so long.

 

[Mey]

You can also link bad behavaiour to WW2, there was a sense of freedom after the war and it's probably the first time we saw the concept of being a teenager starting to come about. The lax parenting and reduction of strict disicipline has led to poor parenting in the 2nd generation on.

(well in my opinion)

 

[Marc]

No. You're tarring everyone with the same brush, when infact it's just a sub culture.

I keep hearing this, "its only a sub culture", "A minority".

Not in my experience. Or maybe it differs from location to location.

 

[Jeremiah]

I think the biggest problem with the internet is users being anonymous. If people don't have to take responsibility, they can act in a completely opposite manner than they do normally. The more you act like it, the more you become your irresponsible persona!

Just found this BBC article about a 19 year old who committed suicide live on webcam - we live in dark days!

 

[Imgormiel]

The word you are looking for in your title Toht is correlation, not being picky mate but there's no such word as yours tbh

 

[fettoken]

When i grew up, we didnt have comps until 14 - 15 year of age i think it was. 3-4 years later, every damn kid had a comp and had become an 1337 cs kid with bad attitude and leet speek, in real life!!!

 

[Lamp]

they'll never value their younger years until they are older (which of course by then is too late)

So true

You don't appreciate what you've got till its gone. What I would give to be 20 again & to be able to know then what I know now...

 

[Cerb]

So true

You don't appreciate what you've got till its gone. What I would give to be 20 again & to be able to know then what I know now...

Im 20 now!!!!....tell me what you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[old.Tohtori]

The word you are looking for in your title Toht is correlation, not being picky mate but there's no such word as yours tbh

I was drunk, it was 5am so gimme a break

And that means i mades ups a word!

 

[Aoami]

I keep hearing this, "its only a sub culture", "A minority".

Not in my experience. Or maybe it differs from location to location.

Having grown up as part of the chav generation, i can say that it's only a small % who are wankers. Ofc I can only comment on the places i've lived though.

 

[Belgerath]

So true

You don't appreciate what you've got till its gone. What I would give to be 20 again & to be able to know then what I know now...

I think all of us wish that 2bh...

 

[Bugz]

Please note correlation does not necessarily mean cause and effect!

Also, in my opinion, more of the youth of today springs from the same causes to anti-social behaviour in the middle of the 20th century, just 'evolved' and 'worsened' over time.

The things that shaped the anti-social events of the 20th century include:- music taste, fashion sense, style of language, hair-styles etc.

Notice how the same applies to all of the sub-cultures of today: goths/chavs/emos/skaters/punkers etc.

As we evolve over time; so does violence; so does culture; so do youth groups - it's no surprise that over time people look for more serious ways to commit crimes, and more serious ways to define their own sub-cultures. It's exactly the same as people striving to know more about the universe, or for companies to compete head to head against each other to expand the fastest.

In the same way as free-market allows competition between companies, free-culture allows competition between cultures. And as companies develop; them become more and more intent on becoming dominant - low and behold cultures are very much the same.

 

[Huntingtons]

the hate builds inside me i dont know what to do

its all about the love m8s!

 

[Amanita]

I actually think that its more to do with the availablility of news and the attitudes of those that report it. I think the levels of youth crime and bad behaviour will be about the same, we just hear about it more.

Yes you could go say that "the statistics say it is!" but the way the statistics are compiled and analysed has changed too, as well as the standards of whats considered bad behaviour.

And yes, name calling, insults and teasing were the norm when I was a teen. And I was 14-16 when the internet started to enter peoples' homes.

 

[Olgaline]

I'm all for mob lynching,
so the question becons, do we lynch the Inet or the youth of today ?

 

[Uara]

Vote:Youths if there's no internet there's no FH

 

[Imgormiel]

I was drunk, it was 5am so gimme a break

And that means i mades ups a word!

..... xD