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[Raven]

Glenn!

Politics - Coronavirus

Good read, sort of covers most of it - 'We had to go it alone': how the UK got ahead in the Covid vaccine race

forums.freddyshouse.com

You're a Glenn!

Must have missed it in all the deflecting

 

[Jupitus]

Can everyone please take a breath and consider their behaviour? Everyone ??

 

[Ormorof]

Just a technicality the EU never actually triggered article 16, they stated they intended to, everyone involved with border was like "lol no wtf" and they backed down, humiliating perhaps but as UK gov had planned to break international law regarding Irish border until late last year until it was thrown out of parliament ill take this pearl clutching with a pinch of salt

The EU caught in a tough spot fucked it up, they have a problem that a company they made a deal with is only able to supply 25% of what was agreed. I think fairly they should want to know why the original volumes could not be reached (and importantly if they knew it would not be reached when deal was originally made). But this public shit show basically means no pharmaceutical company in their right mind will make this kind od deal with EU again for a long long time, bridges have been burnt and astonishingly they have managed to make a pharma giant look like the bad guys in this.

You lot losing your minds and claiming no one is ever critical of the EU clearly dont read many of the posts thoroughly

 

[Gwadien]

@Raven while @Yoni is wrong in my opinion I don't however think it is nice to call her a tool, nor any one else for that matter. Ultimately upon reflection this is a serious issue, probably more so than any other.

That's fucking rich.

 

[Gwadien]

Facepalmed again by the White Knight of Freddyshouse.

Who will save my honour!?

 

[Embattle]

Just a technicality the EU never actually triggered article 16, they stated they intended to, everyone involved with border was like "lol no wtf" and they backed down, humiliating perhaps but as UK gov had planned to break international law regarding Irish border until late last year until it was thrown out of parliament ill take this pearl clutching with a pinch of salt

The EU caught in a tough spot fucked it up, they have a problem that a company they made a deal with is only able to supply 25% of what was agreed. I think fairly they should want to know why the original volumes could not be reached (and importantly if they knew it would not be reached when deal was originally made). But this public shit show basically means no pharmaceutical company in their right mind will make this kind od deal with EU again for a long long time, bridges have been burnt and astonishingly they have managed to make a pharma giant look like the bad guys in this.

You lot losing your minds and claiming no one is ever critical of the EU clearly dont read many of the posts thoroughly

Yes it never came to fruition and it might never of needed to be included if they had done what they did after others found out about before they planned to do it. I didn't agree with the UK government doing what they planned in the internal market bill, although having read more afterwards it came across to me as a brutish attempt to speed up what was actually written in the NIP in term of details.

To me they have been told the issues, if you take what was said about the 3 month difference in contracts then part of the problem is you are setting up production later, hitting issues later and if you then bear in mind that they are starting AZ vaccination only a month after the UK those production problems were always more likely to occur during the vaccination rollout phase.

I think a large part of it is for domestic consumption.

 

[Tay]

Yes it never came to fruition and it might never of needed to be included if they had done what they did after others found out about before they planned to do it. I didn't agree with the UK government doing what they planned in the internal market bill, although having read more afterwards it came across to me as a brutish attempt to speed up what was actually written in the NIP in term of details.

To me they have been told the issues, if you take what was said about the 3 month difference in contracts then part of the problem is you are setting up production later, hitting issues later and if you then bear in mind that they are starting AZ vaccination only a month after the UK those production problems were always more likely to occur during the vaccination rollout phase.

I think a large part of it is for domestic consumption.

Thats part of the problem though, they arnt starting AZ vaccinations a month after the UK, the EMA only yesterday approved it for use in the EU.
I think this was part of the frustration with the EU posturing, they didn't even have approval at that time let alone any idea when they might get it.

The posturing was more than a mere suggestion, they had clearly thought about it, maybe somebody spoke out of turn and that little sound bite hit the presses, not sure we'll ever know, but the fact it was even considered is worrying.

 

[Moriath]

Can everyone please take a breath and consider their behaviour? Everyone ??

Better here than on the streets

 

[Ormorof]

I dont get the fixation on when the contract was signed vs the UK contract, the contract was for 100 million doses by March, they cant deliver what they agreed to deliver.

If you ordered 4 new tyres for your car and your supplier only sent you one and said they have no idea when they would be able to send you the rest would you be happy?

 

[Raven]

Except, 'best efforts' any way, its circular and going nowhere, the EU could ask for everyone's first born and some people wouldn't see a problem. It's the mirror of trumpism.

 

[Ormorof]

Except, 'best efforts' any way, its circular and going nowhere, the EU could ask for everyone's first born and some people wouldn't see a problem. It's the mirror of trumpism.

I see a problem, the EU shit the bed with the way it handled this. "Best reasonable efforts", so as the party not getting what they ordered the EU is perfectly entitled to want to know that this actually took place, and is not being used as a cop out when billions of taxpayer money was handed over up front. Any organisation that expects to be held accountable for their performance would do the same. What most would not do is throw a tantrum and demand they kill all their other business deals to meet your demands (its a very "i want to speak to your manager!" Kind of attitude)

Like i said before it's quite difficult to make a pharma giant look like the good guys but somehow the EU are managing it

 

[dysfunction]

I see a problem, the EU shit the bed with the way it handled this. "Best reasonable efforts", so as the party not getting what they ordered the EU is perfectly entitled to want to know that this actually took place, and is not being used as a cop out when billions of taxpayer money was handed over up front. Any organisation that expects to be held accountable for their performance would do the same. What most would not do is throw a tantrum and demand they kill all their other business deals to meet your demands (its a very "i want to speak to your manager!" Kind of attitude)

Like i said before it's quite difficult to make a pharma giant look like the good guys but somehow the EU are managing it

Because they have acted like morons and quite irrationally.
Its the kind of thing that Trump would do. It seems to be some kind of mind plague

 

[Deebs]

Firstly the billions the EU politicians keep saying is NOT just to AZ but multiple companies.

Secondly, every single pharma has now said the amount of vaccines they can deliver to the EU has dropped yet the EU are only making a song and dance (in public) with exactly 1 company.

 

[Hawkwind]

Like i said before it's quite difficult to make a pharma giant look like the good guys but somehow the EU are managing it

Agreed, especially when AZ is making no money from it. AZ went ahead making stocks long before they ever saw a cent from any Govt. They even had to badger the UK govt for the 5M they promised early on. They then used that to b build up the production infrastructure and they did that at risk. The EU Commission has acted like a petulant child. because they fucked up and they know. This whole charade was a Trump-like attempt to divert attention away and blame the UK. Any lawyer will tell you what "best reasonable efforts" means versus guaranteed delivery schedule with or without penalties.

Great job EU! Made Boris and big pharma look like saints compared to the jackboot rhetoric of the commission bullies. Hopefully, countries like Croatia will amend their UK aimed rhetoric as well.

 

[Hawkwind]

Firstly the billions the EU politicians keep saying is NOT just to AZ but multiple companies.

Secondly, every single pharma has now said the amount of vaccines they can deliver to the EU has dropped yet the EU are only making a song and dance (in public) with exactly 1 company.

My understanding was the partner company (The Novasep's factory in the town of Seneffe) is the issue not even AZ. Commercial partner not an AZ owned company.

 

[MYstIC G]

Thanks for your semiregular whinge post same time next week?

Sure. I mean that's the theme of the thread right, same old shit over and over?

 

[Overdriven]

<- Had the vaccine on Friday. I now radiate 5G and nanobots.

 

[Aoami]

<- Had the vaccine on Friday. I now radiate 5G and nanobots.

Hmm... Vaccine rollout going well and a big windows update over the last couple of days? Explain that QAnon deniers! Check and mate.

 

[Raven]

I got a text from O2 the other day that 5G is rolling out in my area. Not leaving the house.

 

[Raven]

600,000 vaccinated over the weekend.*

*first dose, at least.

 

[Tay]

Sorry but I have said the eu fucked up ..... do you know what I didn’t do @Deebs go on and on and on about how shit the UK was during the continual fuck ups they have made since the pandemic started ... it is fucking petty, doesn’t solve anything and not a great look on anyone least of all you...... please just carry on on gloating as it appears to be making your pee pees tingle oO

Gloat no, but you are blind to the fact your own media and from what you have said much of the EU media, all but ignored the news that the EU actually considered subverting the Irish peace process.

Our lot were tossers for even thinking it, but the lack of media coverage (as stated by you) in the EU just smacks of double standards.

 

[Tay]

Finally looks like the message is getting through..

COVID lockdown breaches include boat and hotel parties in weekend of 'unbelievable behaviour'

The group was dispersed and a total of 72 people were reported for the consideration of fixed penalty notices of £800.

news.sky.com

Not.

 

[Embattle]

Covid-19: Captain Sir Tom Moore in hospital with coronavirus

His daughter says he was taken to hospital after requiring help with his breathing.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Yoni]

Covid-19: Captain Sir Tom Moore in hospital with coronavirus

His daughter says he was taken to hospital after requiring help with his breathing.

www.bbc.co.uk

Awwwww

 

[Scouse]

Awwwww

It's on the back of pneumonia too, so he's probably already weak.

Should have had his jab though - so fingers crossed it's not too serious. (Isn't it like about 50% of people who are admitted to hospital kark it? Or is that just intensive care?)

 

[Moriath]

View: https://twitter.com/Leo_Pollak/status/1355935952431149069

 

[Aoami]

View: https://twitter.com/Leo_Pollak/status/1355935952431149069

Christ he really is fully mental

 

[Tay]

It's on the back of pneumonia too, so he's probably already weak.

Should have had his jab though - so fingers crossed it's not too serious. (Isn't it like about 50% of people who are admitted to hospital kark it? Or is that just intensive care?)

Hard to say these days, but defo not 50% of those that go to hospital, the vast majority will be fine, some people go to ITU just for the cpap machines and the supervision if they think you are going downhill fast, the anti-inflamatory/immuno suppresent drugs work very well these days and cut the deaths by a significant amount, the numbers would be worse if they werent available.

If you need a ventilator, things arnt good for you, but people have spent months on them and survived, I heard the 50% number mentioned several times during the first peaks but not recently.

 

[Aoami]

It's on the back of pneumonia too, so he's probably already weak.

Should have had his jab though - so fingers crossed it's not too serious. (Isn't it like about 50% of people who are admitted to hospital kark it? Or is that just intensive care?)

Apparently not had the jab due to his pneumonia meds

 

[Overdriven]

Apparently not had the jab due to his pneumonia meds

That's something I've not heard when watching shill news. There are actually quite a few requirements for taking the pfizer jab. The amount of "Are you on this, or this, or this or have this" questions was interesting. Had the flu jab recently? Enjoy being tuned away.