Politics Coronavirus

[Moriath]

I really really really don't understand why the Government didn't give a 2 week window to Christmas eve for every school in the UK, it just makes complete sense.

So instead of giving everyone a few days off there's gonna be a shit load of missing staff for a couple of weeks post Christmas.

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its blatantly obvious to everyone that tiers dont work when every fucker goes to the shops for xmas. Hence the numbers now going up after the ‘lockdown’.

Germany has been sensible and closed everything.

its not just the schools its the whole environment. Even without the 5 day xmas relaxation doing anything with just schools would be futile.

need to stop people getting close to each other.

 

[Aoami]

Back to tier 3 we go!

I'd planned to go to Oxford Street tomorrow, going to be heaving.

 

[Gwadien]

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its blatantly obvious to everyone that tiers dont work when every fucker goes to the shops for xmas. Hence the numbers now going up after the ‘lockdown’.

Germany has been sensible and closed everything.

its not just the schools its the whole environment. Even without the 5 day xmas relaxation doing anything with just schools would be futile.

need to stop people getting close to each other.

Fact is schools are super spreaders.

Fact is that we can shut schools a few days earlier and have a less volatile Christmas.

You're not everyone, lots of people are longing to see their families over Christmas.

 

[dysfunction]

They say there is a new variant of Covid making it spread faster than before:

'New variant' of coronavirus identified in England

The new strain may be growing faster in some parts of the country, Health Secretary tells MPs.

www.bbc.co.uk

They have now closed my son's school. He will be doing his classwork from home until the new year.

 

[Raven]

Fact is schools are super spreaders.

Fact is that we can shut schools a few days earlier and have a less volatile Christmas.

You're not everyone, lots of people are longing to see their families over Christmas.

Yep, my mum is pulling her hair out, we were supposed to be seeing her xmas eve and the inlaws xmas day, father inlaw is very high risk so looks like we aren't going, as it stands we can legally but it's really not worth the risk. That being said, I have shopping being delivered between now and Xmas and except for this Friday (I will be seeing 2 people in an isolated part of the business) I can work from home every day and not go anywhere. The wife is now off until the new year so if neither of us come down with any symptoms between now and then everything should be fine.

 

[Scouse]

Fact is schools are super spreaders.

Evidence?

Thought they'd refuted that.

 

[Bodhi]

Evidence?

Thought they'd refuted that.

Well if you define "super spreaders" as buildings full of people half as likely to transmit the Rona as adults then yes. Yes they are.

Exclusive: We finally know how much kids spread coronavirus. Here’s how it can help schools.

Big decisions around COVID-19 and children have been heavy on politics and short on science. New large-scale studies are changing that.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Thankfully no one else uses that particular definition of super spreaders, so Gwad is incorrect here.

 

[Bodhi]

They say there is a new variant of Covid making it spread faster than before:

'New variant' of coronavirus identified in England

The new strain may be growing faster in some parts of the country, Health Secretary tells MPs.

www.bbc.co.uk

They have now closed my son's school. He will be doing his classwork from home until the new year.

Difficult to tell what he's on about, but virologists appear particularly unconcerned about this:


View: https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1338530576467431426?s=20


Not that a virus mutating to become more virulent is exactly bad news, as usually when they mutate to become easier to spread they also become less deadly. A virus that kills it's host isn't going to replicate itself in other hosts that easily, so in the end the lighter variants normally prevail.

 

[Scouse]

Well if you define "super spreaders" as buildings full of people half as likely to transmit the Rona as adults then yes. Yes they are.

Exclusive: We finally know how much kids spread coronavirus. Here’s how it can help schools.

Big decisions around COVID-19 and children have been heavy on politics and short on science. New large-scale studies are changing that.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Thankfully no one else uses that particular definition of super spreaders, so Gwad is incorrect here.

Yep. But to be fair - you don't cram 35 adults in a room together for 6 hours a day. So even if they're half as transmissive, schools would still be a much higher spreading risk.

 

[Embattle]

There is a lack of detail over this new variant, I do vaguely remember many months ago some specialist mentioned about possible changes to the virus and example he gave was perhaps spreading quicker but being weaker.

 

[Scouse]

Not that a virus mutating to become more virulent is exactly bad news, as usually when they mutate to become easier to spread they also become less deadly.

You've been playing Pandemic haven't ya.

I don't know that that definitely follows.

 

[Moriath]

Fact is schools are super spreaders.

Fact is that we can shut schools a few days earlier and have a less volatile Christmas.

You're not everyone, lots of people are longing to see their families over Christmas.

So. People longing to see someone for 5 days. Vs risk of giving those you are seeing covid and them dying And contributing to the further spread in society if your immediate family are not at increased risk many other are.

coupled with the fact that we have a vaccine and you can just put xmas dinner off till may and have a gathering then.

i think the lots of people are selfish not me wanting the virus to spread a slittle as possible.

do you guys really think 5 days liberty is worth for example a month of not doing anything in Jan. even if we take out the possible death threat for people.

its very short sighted.

 

[Moriath]

Yep. But to be fair - you don't cram 35 adults in a room together for 6 hours a day. So even if they're half as transmissive, schools would still be a much higher spreading risk.

But adults want to voluntarily sit in a badly ventilated room and eat dinner with x number of strangers. Even if it was table service the fact that they are ina room without all the windows and doors open its still not covid secure.

the worst decision ever is to have allowed travel and all for xmas

 

[Bodhi]

You've been playing Pandemic haven't ya.

I don't know that that definitely follows.

Not definitely, but it is typical, especially with RNA viruses.

 

[Scouse]

Backers of 'herd immunity' shouldn't have been allowed near Boris Johnson | Alan McNally

The fringe view was presented to the PM as he weighed a crucial decision, says Alan McNally, a professor in microbial genomics

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bodhi]

Backers of 'herd immunity' shouldn't have been allowed near Boris Johnson | Alan McNally

The fringe view was presented to the PM as he weighed a crucial decision, says Alan McNally, a professor in microbial genomics

www.theguardian.com

Never read such a load of old bollocks in my entire life, filled with factual inaccuracies.

 

[Raven]

Evidence?

Thought they'd refuted that.

15-20 kids in a classroom, with little understanding of social distancing or how wiping your nose on the curtains is bad? Yes, they are super spreaders.

 

[Raven]

You've been playing Pandemic haven't ya.

I don't know that that definitely follows.

I'm no virologist but any pathogen that is out in the open with so many people seemingly immune to it's effects will end up evolving at some point.

I'm not entirely sure how becoming more contagious in an already highly contagious pathogen works but it seems to be the case.

When playing pandemic, or whatever it is, the route to victory is to keep it under the radar, highly contagious, few symptoms, then ramp it up

Edit, my niece's entire year has been shut now (Small specialist engineering school)

 

[Scouse]

15-20 kids in a classroom, with little understanding of social distancing or how wiping your nose on the curtains is bad? Yes, they are super spreaders.

Emotionally, I agree.

Want evidence.

 

[Job]

The issue is does the immune system of school kids of all ages kill the virus so quickly that few viable virus are ejected.

This is slightly helpful.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAOegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2zsCYgnViQQ70CwL0lJGwj

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[Job]

Or not
Its the who int school covid report

 

[dysfunction]

Or not
Its the who int school covid report

what?

 

[Raven]

Emotionally, I agree.

Want evidence.

Well, we have been in pretty much total lockdown* for months - 3/4 of a year!, everyone I know and everyone they know is basically a hermit except for the big shop, yet numbers are still not going down at any reasonable rate. Schools, open for business! Yeah sure there are the big gatherings that are well reported but on a societal level they are pretty small.

*non fuckwits anyway.

Imagine what it would be like if a really nasty virus got out...and people wonder why I am a bit of a prepper! Up to 6 months of food now, keeping the grass long sans bog-roll.

 

[Raven]

Our spare room is now a classroom, great!

 

[Aoami]

Our spare room is now a classroom, great!

At least you have one... I've been doing 9 months of lockdown with my wife in a one bedroom flat with no garden. It wouldn't be so bad, but the concept of an indoor voice does not exist to my wife.

 

[Raven]

Yeah she just got an arse on because actually started work an hour ago and didn't want the TV on (I work at my desk in the living room) the same as I have done pretty much every day for the last 9 months. She starts at 9:30.

I think I will let the cat into the spare room in a bit, he doesn't give a fuck about personal space or what you are doing and its where he sleeps during the day.

 

[Raven]

Apparently there is a shark in the park.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

Apparently there is a shark in the park.

FFS, we have spoiler tags for this sort of bombshell

 

[Yoni]

I really do not understand why people can not put Christmas to one side for a year - I understand that everyone is tired of restrictions but even here where there has been no legal lockdown amongst those I talk to and with Christmas is going to be very very minimal but people are still going to see the elderly and not isolate before hand (goverment recommendations is that you should isolate for 10 days if you want to do this).

My husband and I have since the Summer been in our apartment it is one bedroomed with no garden but a balcony. I leave to go to the shops when it can not be delivered and to get fresh air and that is it. Normally we go for family christmas as my husbands uncle and we are exactly 8 which is within the recommendations of the Swedish government, however as we live in stockholm where naturally rates are higher we have decided not to go as there will be Stoffes grandparents there both of which are well into their 70s with some underlying health issues. On top of that I am still not able to see my mum on the Isle of man regardless at this time as i am not a resident there anymore nor was I born there but we are all now used to video calling and my mum has my brothers and youngers sister around her (Isle of Man one of the safest place near to the UK).

Christmas is going to set every country back a long long way and the fault lays with every single individual who decided that christmas was more important that the lives around them- yes I also understand that grandparents want to see their grandchildren - my mum wants to see hers however they do not all live on the isle of man so for this year it is tough shit they can wave at her on video. I know that governments are trying to find a happy medium to ensure that if those selfish people want to mix and risk their lives and the lives of others in a contained way which is why it is absolutely the responsibility of individuals to do the right fucking thing.... as for NYE..... you just know that humans are going to be retarded... \rant

 

[Scouse]

Apparently there is a shark in the park.

???