Politics Coronavirus

[Aoami]

Imagine thinking that everyone who voted for the Tories is a right long loon, just because you are.

 

[Bodhi]

View: https://twitter.com/IvoGraham/status/1330849359076995073?s=20

 

[Scouse]

All they need to do now is manufacture and roll out.

Easy to say, not easy to do. But amazing win for science there

 

[caLLous]

The Oxford one has the advantage of being (comparatively) cheap as chips as well.

 

[Bodhi]

I do love it when people miss the joke.

hint - look for the comma

 

[Scouse]

Ah ok.

I guess they're casting aspersions on safety. I'm not sure what they'd base that on.

In terms of humour, mildly a wry smile at best, but being a dick if they're propagating unfounded safety fears, even if tongue in cheek 'humerously', for tge rest of it.

I don't do twatter. But if the above assessment of what's going on is correct (?? @Wij?) then it's not actually funny at all. Just dumb (and potentially dangerous).

 

[Bodhi]

Ah ok.

I guess they're casting aspersions on safety. I'm not sure what they'd base that on.

In terms of humour, mildly a wry smile at best, but being a dick if they're propagating unfounded safety fears, even if tongue in cheek 'humerously', for tge rest of it.

I don't do twatter. But if the above assessment of what's going on is correct (?? @Wij?) then it's not actually funny at all. Just dumb (and potentially dangerous).

Think you're overthinking it - ever heard of the Oxford comma?

What Is the Oxford Comma (or Serial Comma)?

The Oxford (or serial) comma is the final comma in a list of things. Please bring me a pencil, eraser, and notebook.

www.grammarly.com

 

[Scouse]

Think you're overthinking it - ever heard of the oxford comma

You're right. I'm overthinking it.

 

[Job]

Am I the only one concerned that Oxford scientists are congratulating themselves giving the wrong dose to volunteers and accidently finding the 90% effectivness.

Getting vaccine jab
So is the wrong or right dose?

 

[dysfunction]

Am I the only one concerned that Oxford scientists are congratulating themselves giving the wrong dose to volunteers and accidently finding the 90% effectivness.

Getting vaccine jab
So is the wrong or right dose?

That is why they do trials and testing etc etc.....
To find the the right dose, max effectiveness, harmfulness and whatever else.

So not accidental.

 

[Scouse]

They fucked up with the original test dosage - gave half doses to a subset of trial recipients @dysfunction.

By happy coincidence that first half dose - giving less, following a couple of weeks later with a full dose, works better than two full doses.

It was a mistake that affected a portion of the trial participants that they identified early and then decided to follow up on.

Sometimes a mistake is a win eh? Programmes, especially run on such tight timescales, never run perfectly because humans are involved.

In answer to @Job's usual idiocy - there is no 'wrong' dose - there's a dose that works, and a dose that works much better.

So we're going to give out the latter. 90% effective baby! Epic win!

 

[Gwadien]

Am I the only one concerned that Oxford scientists are congratulating themselves giving the wrong dose to volunteers and accidently finding the 90% effectivness.

Getting vaccine jab
So is the wrong or right dose?

We get it, you're an anti-vaxxer.

Can you stop please spreading your anti-everything message on this forum/everywhere else, because A - people here aren't silly enough to fall for it and B - Whilst you might be healthy enough to risk not having a vaccine there's vulnerable people out there that are likely to fall for your anti-everything messages and they're the people that really don't have the option of thinking the Government are lizards.

 

[Bodhi]

That is why they do trials and testing etc etc.....
To find the the right dose, max effectiveness, harmfulness and whatever else.

So not accidental.

It was accidental, they gave some people in the trial half a dose, wondered why side effects were mild, then realised what they'd done. The reaerchers themselves even blamed it on "serendipity".

Dosing error in trials led to Oxford vaccine's 90 per cent efficacy by accident, say scientists

Initial participants received just half the dose given to adults in earlier safety trials - which had underpredicted the correct dosage

www.telegraph.co.uk

Sounds bad, but an awful lot of scientific discoveries were made by accident (penicillin, X-rays, microwaves, etc etc), so not necessarily a bad thing.

These 18 Accidental And Unintended Scientific Discoveries Changed The World

Some scientific discoveries come about after painstaking, goal-oriented lab work finally yields the result that a researcher is trying to find.

www.sciencealert.com

Wouldn't especially bother me about taking it, I'd just question the point of vaccinating people who have already had the Rona. If your immune system has already been trained to recognise it, I'm slightly dubious about the need to train it further.

Also, do we get a choice which one we go for if it comes to it? If so, can I have the Sputnik one?

 

[Scouse]

Wouldn't especially bother me about taking it, I'd just question the point of vaccinating people who have already had the Rona. If your immune system has already been trained to recognise it, I'm slightly dubious about the need to train it further.

I guess they'll make that call.

Regularity of exposure is a key feature in immune response - it's why you get a tetanus booster every ten years - your body ditches whatever it thinks it doesn't absolutely need (like muscle if you don't use it, you lose it).

I don't know the risk of not, vs the cost of doing. But I'd put em to the back of the queue myself, unless inherently vulnerable.

 

[Aoami]

Wouldn't especially bother me about taking it, I'd just question the point of vaccinating people who have already had the Rona. If your immune system has already been trained to recognise it, I'm slightly dubious about the need to train it further.

This is my thought as well. I'm 99% sure i've had it, so why would I need a vaccine? I'm a white guy in my early 30s though, so I expect I'll (rightly) be at the back of the queue anyway.

 

[Bodhi]

Yep, as I said I have no particular qualms about taking it - I've had all my other shots up to now - just think it's a waste vaccinating people who are already immune when resources and time are so limited.

Only part about it all that concerns me is this "Health Pass" concept that keeps getting bandied about. Far too close to "Papiere Bitte" for my liking.

 

[Aoami]

Yes, I heard it referred to on the news last night as a "Freedom Pass". I said they're going to have to re-brand that straight away if it's got any chance of working.

 

[Scouse]

Yes, I heard it referred to on the news last night as a "Freedom Pass". I said they're going to have to re-brand that straight away if it's got any chance of working.

Rebranding is just polishing a turd.

I don't agree with the idea at all - and we shouldn't be giving up liberty for security, as the quote goes.

We need to carry our idiots as a societal burden, not get into the habit of hitting them with sticks. Such habits have the potential to carry on into dark places.

 

[Aoami]

Just to clarify, I don't agree with it either. But if they want the masses to buy into it, they're going to have to come up with something better than that.

 

[Ormorof]

What would it be used for?

 

[Aoami]

Suggestions are it would essentially be a document that allowed you to "go back to normal" as you've had the vaccine or have immunity another way.

 

[Ormorof]

What would be the point if places arent open

How would they police it absurd idea

 

[Job]

Rebranding is just polishing a turd.

I don't agree with the idea at all - and we shouldn't be giving up liberty for security, as the quote goes.

We need to carry our idiots as a societal burden, not get into the habit of hitting them with sticks. Such habits have the potential to carry on into dark places.

We do it because next week you could be the idiot and the chinese dystopia has the attention of a lot of socialists, plus they may well force it upon us for trade, where have you, been, what do you watch, who do you like, what diseases have you got, what vaccines have you had.
All courtesy of the new fascists.

 

[Moriath]

Covid-19: England arrivals to be able to cut quarantine with private test

People arriving in England can end their self-isolation with a negative test taken after five days.

www.bbc.co.uk

another short cut for the wealthy.

should be free on the nhs

 

[Gwadien]

Covid-19: England arrivals to be able to cut quarantine with private test

People arriving in England can end their self-isolation with a negative test taken after five days.

www.bbc.co.uk

another short cut for the wealthy.

should be free on the nhs

So people that can afford to go on holiday multiple times a year will have multiple free checks a year?

That also sounds nice for the wealthy.

 

[Scouse]

I sympathise with @Moriath's position but air travel needs to be more expensive so if it puts people off, then it's a good thing, on balance.

This is the real problem with air travel though and really must be addressed.

 

[Moriath]

So people that can afford to go on holiday multiple times a year will have multiple free checks a year?

That also sounds nice for the wealthy.

Or the family that scrapes together the money for 6 days in spain now have to find 120 quid each or an extra 14 days of not working.

so i would say it disadvantages the poor more than the rich. Or you means test the testing?

 

[Moriath]

I sympathise with @Moriath's position but air travel needs to be more expensive so if it puts people off, then it's a good thing, on balance.

This is the real problem with air travel though and really must be addressed.

Yes air travel is a devil for climate change. But if so it should be a dis incentive for the rich and not just the poor

 

[Scouse]

Yes air travel is a devil for climate change. But if so it should be a dis incentive for the rich and not just the poor

I agree - but gotta start somewhere m8. And in this economy the poor get shit on.

If we started charging $1000 per person per flight just in environmental taxes the rich would maybe think about it - and it'd fund all sorts of stuff. But it would shit on the poor.

But in the end - we all need to travel less by air and that includes the poor too.


Reform capitalism if you don't want cash to be the arbiter of outcome. Until then, that's what we've got.

 

[Moriath]

Covid-19: Bradford salon fined £17,000 for lockdown opening

Sinead Quinn opened Quinn Blakey Hairdressers in Oakenshaw in breach of government restrictions.

www.bbc.co.uk

silly woman