Congratulations wall abusers!

[old.¥ØÐÄ]

Originally posted by Eblessair
you cant go inside the hill at crim, its a camera BUG with the smaller classes of daoc, eg luri, kobby.

well ebel u said it yourself iziz abused a BUG . it is a known bug and gets fixed in later patches . abusing that bug gives the abuser a hella lot of knowledge to enemy whereabouts in the keep . hence she cheated and should be banned also ? after all give u hibs a unfair advantage knowing our positions inside the keep .

but again as i stated above if they have cheated ban there asses . i aint defending anybody regardless of realm . if they cheat ban the fuckers and kick em out of daoc is all i gotta say .

 

[old.¥ØÐÄ]

and yea i know you can get the same info as cam bug by sending an assasin inside ., but using cam bug makes it a lot safer and easier to do .

 

[old.Nol]

sheezuz

If Iziz used a bug to catch cheaters, are they no longer cheaters?


Get real, until we all start to stick together to get rid of cheating instead of defending it, it will ruin the game. Cheaters must get banned, and that's the bottom line.

Even remotely defending them makes you a sucker...

 

[Novamir]

Well i was there for the whole raid with my ranger alt, and let me say a few things.

I watched the archers (all of them) the WHOLE time. The only ones who AT NO POINT entered the wall were Kinad and Aussie. I am certain that Sharp and Winter took a few kills from in the wall, and Sharp was in there the longest. I only saw Greg up on the top near Kinad's shooting point and didn't see any arrows fired from him from inside (but of course he may have been shooting inside the wall also at some point).

It is really funny to see the excuses tho, I hope that for certain Sharp and Winter get 3 day + bans.

What is worse for you guys is that now when people see xxx was just killed by you! then we will always think hmm is that a regular kill, or are they exploiting again....

 

[Sharp Thing]

ooohoooh: reminder im not sharp nomore, dont ban me (/em runs of pissing his panties )

 

[iziz]

HELLOOOOOOOO?!

I've love people like this... "Yes, I haven't really read the whole thread, but I'm gonna put my stupid comment in anyway". Maybe I should put it all in capital letters to make it easier for you to read?

--> IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREENSHOTS AND SOME OF THE OTHER POSTS... THE HILLSIDE ONES AREN'T BY ME! <--

It's quite laughable how many times I've been called a bug abuser in this thread, by people who clearly haven't read it. Anyway... update: got an email back this evening, this incident is now under investigation. kthxbye

 

[Eblessair]

Originally posted by old.¥ØÐÄ


well ebel u said it yourself iziz abused a BUG . it is a known bug and gets fixed in later patches . abusing that bug gives the abuser a hella lot of knowledge to enemy whereabouts in the keep . hence she cheated and should be banned also ? after all give u hibs a unfair advantage knowing our positions inside the keep .

but again as i stated above if they have cheated ban there asses . i aint defending anybody regardless of realm . if they cheat ban the fuckers and kick em out of daoc is all i gotta say .

there is no mention of this in the patch notes, and it is still possible on the us test server.
please do show me where they say it gets fixed....

 

[Eblessair]

Originally posted by Novamir

I watched the archers (all of them) the WHOLE time. The only ones who AT NO POINT entered the wall were Kinad and Aussie. I am certain that Sharp and Winter took a few kills from in the wall, and Sharp was in there the longest. I only saw Greg up on the top near Kinad's shooting point and didn't see any arrows fired from him from inside (but of course he may have been shooting inside the wall also at some point).

yep

 

[Aeiedil]

Originally posted by Zag Barr

This getting under the landscape and looking into the keep from underneath - is that how you nuke and shoot at us inside the keep courtyard? Even if you can't shot at us, it gives you pretty detailed information about our numbers inside. Can you do it all keeps, or only Crim? Isn't it a bug (abuse) as well?

afaik what you are refering to is a midget thing where the camera can move underground (didnt look at screenies). i dunno if its luris, or luris + kobbies. you can target using it, but you dont have line of sight or whatever, so is useless for trying to shoot through walls, only for seeing who is on the ground inside a keep or whatever. it also makes the midget in question vunerable while he cant actually see whats going on around them heh

 

[aussie-]

Originally posted by old.Flix


btw. I was hiding behind the Catapult all the time , and did not get hit, until the damn thing went down, next time i bring one my self

that explains why i never saw you pop, you little ç!'é&'# =p

 

[Aeiedil]

Originally posted by Talifer

Conclusive proof alright, and look he also caught some invisible guy called Younger.

And I xp killed Aeiedel about 40 times aswell, just before he got this screenshot

Now tell me those screenshots are CONCLUSIVE proof. .....

..... Just report it to GOA and quit with the slander

Talifer

one thing, ive been on hols the past few days, so dont flame me it was my brother, eble, on my account.

on this screenshot there is no bug abused by my charachter, the camera has been moved down. this serves no purpose for an assasin other than to check inside walls, as an assasin i have the ability to climb up to see whos on the walls, rather than have to look underneath.

just out of interest what is the screenie meant to prove? i see noone in the walls on it

And yes its to gain an advantage in battle... You then know how many are in the keep... Can you target them then too? Even worse, since you then can see who and their con...

what does a shade have to gain by this? its just as easy to climb the walls, and then you get to stab

Nevertheless these screenshots - http://www.talifer.co.uk/images/win...edel-change.jpg in particular - do conclusively establish that Aeiedel is one ugly froglike lurikeen mofo, and pictures don't lie.

coming from an elf? no further comment needed there

it is a known bug and gets fixed in later patches .

i'll check it on my bros us account tommoz

(btw on my post before i hadnt read the rest of the thread)

 

[Aeiedil]

just checked, camera still goes under in 1.51

 

[old.Cruel Heart]

Originally posted by iziz
HELLOOOOOOOO?!

I've love people like this... "Yes, I haven't really read the whole thread, but I'm gonna put my stupid comment in anyway". Maybe I should put it all in capital letters to make it easier for you to read?

--> IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREENSHOTS AND SOME OF THE OTHER POSTS... THE HILLSIDE ONES AREN'T BY ME! <--

So true, was going to mention that when I finished reading the WHOLE thread, but u got there first :wub:

 

[Khalen]

Originally posted by Alrindel
and pictures don't lie.

Nope not true, pictures can lie. They can be altered (not that it is in this case but just saying something in general).

 

[Talifer]

Originally posted by Aeiedil


one thing, ive been on hols the past few days, so dont flame me it was my brother, eble, on my account.

on this screenshot there is no bug abused by my charachter, the camera has been moved down. this serves no purpose for an assasin other than to check inside walls, as an assasin i have the ability to climb up to see whos on the walls, rather than have to look underneath.

just out of interest what is the screenie meant to prove? i see noone in the walls on it

This picture is suppose to prove how useless the original screenshots are at proving anything. The screenshot above is a copy of

which I have edited, so now Winter no longer appears anywhere, the figure that was originally the focus of the wall bug exploit has vanished, you have lost several bubbles of xp and I've also reduced you hits.

I'm not saying any of the accused did or did not cheat, I'm saying these screenshots prove nothing. If you want to come to the board and say I believe playerX is a cheat because he shot me though the wall etc etc... fine. But you can't say I believe playerX is cheating and here is PROOF, when you have no proof.

Talifer

 

[Alrindel]

Screenshots posted here are not supposed to constitute proof, they simply show that the person posting them is confident enough about what he saw in-game that he can name the alleged cheater in public.

If reported on RightNow, GOA will examine the server logs for the proof. If the accused player was indeed firing a ranged weapon or casting spells from an X,Y,Z location within a keep wall, then they are guilty. But we will never know one way or the other unless that person comes back here and admits it, which so far only a handful of people have ever had the courage to do.

 

[Khalen]

Tanx for showing my point Talifer GOA will know who cheats and GOA will take action if they cheated.

 

[dexa]

hi

Hate that this page has my first post but fell after reading this forum now a few month i need too start posting.

"Yes winter i saw u many times on the wall where we climb and i am a ns and thx for killing me a few times after i got ressed "

During this battle at crim i climed the wall about 50-60 times and few times i went done inside crim at the courtyard and killed a few
ressed (so i see no point in useing the wallbugg for us ns to tell how many u are in there when we can easy go in and have a look).

What i have hard too understand is that i have never ended up
"lagged or in any way" ended up in the wall.
Offcourse i belive this happends but how come u non steaher
when u are on the wall dont fall down all the way to the ground
u allwas "lagged down" in the bugg?
I was on the wall where u climb up mostly all the time during this
battle and never saw u fall down to the ground (this goes for a few stealhers also).

I am not saying or saw any cheet but just wondering how comes
ppl ends up in the wall so many times and not on the ground it
should be more % that ppl miss the bugg during this lagg!

Well any way i had a fun time but damn u that was inside and
fixed the door .

Ps mids i will go to now uppland and see that u healers dont fall asleep

Dexa lvl 46 ns Excalibur

 

[old.Akirai]

I am certain that Sharp and Winter took a few kills from in the wall, and Sharp was in there the longest.

Yes Novamir you freekin freak. Read my previous posts you invalid, i said i was trapped inside the keep in the back of the wall for about 10-15 minutes, couldnt target anyone at all and couldnt move at all. Then some big dumb firbolg called Zarko came up to the wall and hit me with his spear through the wall(bug abuse!!!) and on his second hit he hit me as i was jumping and it set me free somehow.

Jeez learn to read.

Sharp

 

[razorboy]

Ban the cheaters! I don't care if it are hibs, mids or albs, just ban them. It'll make the rvr-life much more fun without cheating players....

 

[old.Akirai]

I am not saying or saw any cheet but just wondering how comes
ppl ends up in the wall so many times and not on the ground it
should be more % that ppl miss the bugg during this lagg

You jump, fire, fall through the ground instead of landing on it. Hence you land directly underneath where you were firing which is the wall.

I do hope they fix it so these threads can stop.

 

[c0ngo]

The screenies from Mallus in a previous thread were more conclusive but if these lot were also doing it I hope they get what they deserve.

Originally posted by Novamir
Yoda is referring to an incident when an alb infiltrator entered a wall at a keep and took screenshots of dead hibs who had lagged through.

The above is bullshit btw it showed about 5-6 Hibbs lined up with bows pulled killing Albs and making no attempt to return to their side of the wall until Mallus attacked them.

 

[old.XanateA]

FYI ive seen godofredo inside walls before..
Once when he was the only defender @ DC, he was inside the wall shooting people nonstop for 20 minutes.

Everone who was there knew where he was... beside the door to the right...

 

[Aeiedil]

on a slight tangent, your opinions please

theres a defender shooting from inside the walls and has been for a while, is it right for an assasin to go inside the walls and try to kill, or would this be as bad as the archer shooting from inside? opinions please?

 

[old.chesnor]

If the assassin must abuse the same bug in order to kill the defender, then yes, it is wrong and they should both get banned.

Also I don't see why people are accusing those of using a bug in the game in order to get evidence of cheating. Falling/lagging through walls is not cheating, using the invulnerable position it puts you into to farm RPs is.

 

[c0ngo]

If an assasin can see someone in a wall blatantly cheating and killing people I'd have no problem with the assasin killing them.

If the cheats weren't there the assasin would have no one 2 kill and would just return to their side of the wall as the cheats in the wall should do.

I don't think the two things are the same.

One is cheating for RP with virtually no chance of being killed

The other is cheating to stop a cheat and at least the archer in the wall has the ability to defend themselves unlike the people being hit by the archer on the other side so there's a fair(ish) fight to get their RP.

 

[Talifer]

Originally posted by Aeiedil
on a slight tangent, your opinions please

theres a defender shooting from inside the walls and has been for a while, is it right for an assasin to go inside the walls and try to kill, or would this be as bad as the archer shooting from inside? opinions please?

I think this is a grey area and GOA would probably be within the CoC to say it's abuse or not abuse.

Personally I think it's acceptable, since you do not have an advantage. The advantage of being in the wall is that you can hit people outside and they cannot hit you. If you are inside the wall you can hit each other so noone has an advantage.

Further to that I think it is perfectly acceptable, nay essential, for assassin to enter the wall and take screenshots from inside to catch cheaters and report findings to GOA. On the flip side it's also important that people from the same realm try and find people in their walls to. I want to know if enemy realms or my realm mates are cheating, but if I don't know the the accuser or accused, I need some CONVINCING screenshots

Talifer

 

[old.giriam]

Originally posted by aussie-

tnx for 66k in 2 days hibs ;]

How many of those has come from hiding inside keepwalls?

G

 

[old.giriam]

Originally posted by Talifer
It shows some guy, no real proof of who, stood with his BACK to the enemy with his bow safely by his SIDE.
How on earth can you say this proves Godofredo is cheating?!?!
Talifer

Please try to comprehend that the screenshots arent ment as proof, they are just taken to help goa search through their logs. It has been mentioned quite a few times now.

Thank you.

G

 

[Aeiedil]

well i see that got mixed reactions. in a way if an assassin goes for an archer who is abusing then the assassin is at an advantage, due to the archer thinking hes invincible, however if an assassin was to stand in a wall and wait for anyone to fall through regardless of whether its accident or not then it would be abuse :\ i guess its just a fine line and best to just emote at the offenders until they get the message that they have been seen and might wanna stop it