Congrats on RR

[szleynix]

Well congrats on the RR

Just a bit dis-heartening to see 140+ take the relic in what seemed like 15mins.

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

stop pvp
and xp new alts

and actually try be in emain abit
and u might spot when a zerg leaves mpk

 

[umilard]

Yes, that's how blejs think you should play the game! OBEY!

 

[ilum]

Bad manner to take power relic from poor hibs.

 

[szleynix]

Originally posted by szleynix
Well congrats on the RR

Just a bit dis-heartening to see 140+ take the relic in what seemed like 15mins.

Sad

You simply don't understand, realm imblance makes ppl play alts and go less RvR.


Anyway, well done on RR

 

[old.Belorfyn]

Even though the turnout was high, it was still well organized and planned (week ahead atleast) raid also. This probably explains the numbers too.
There was few Hibies (logging in) inside RK before we were even on Collory zone and we moved without speed so someone must've known we were coming. Perhaps someone spotted us in Emain. It was fast but there was some time to get there I'd say. I understood quite many Hibies arrived indeed just as relic had left the keep (and quite many mids were still at RK).

Well done from all mids taking part and looking forward for any defence we might have to do

 

[Petronella]

Originally posted by umilard
Yes, that's how blejs think you should play the game! OBEY!

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Well done Mids

Prime time too

 

[szleynix]

Originally posted by old.Belorfyn
Even though the turnout was high, it was still well organized and planned (week ahead atleast) raid also. This probably explains the numbers too.
There was few Hibies (logging in) inside RK before we were even on Collory zone and we moved without speed so someone must've known we were coming. Perhaps someone spotted us in Emain. It was fast but there was some time to get there I'd say. I understood quite many Hibies arrived indeed just as relic had left the keep (and quite many mids were still at RK).

Well done from all mids taking part and looking forward for any defence we might have to do

Well planned? BUt we plan in week advance too, and normally means RL spending a few hundread gp on items too

We spotted u only when spam of Scat guards. Fact is, if careful u can get to a RK un-noticed.

We've tried all sorts of tactics/time/day but still get slaughtered trying for a relic. Well done to you, but still....that was far too quick for us to respond. I think u must have had 2 doors down before we even got to cain.

come on mythic, sort this imblanace out. whole point of 3 ram rule on doors was to help ppl go defend. but when it's our turn...bah!

no one thinks a RR is a spure of the moment thing, takes time and effort - but i think numbers help

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Originally posted by szleynix
Well planned? BUt we plan in week advance too, and normally means RL spending a few hundread gp on items too

We spotted u only when spam of Scat guards. Fact is, if careful u can get to a RK un-noticed.

We've tried all sorts of tactics/time/day but still get slaughtered trying for a relic. Well done to you, but still....that was far too quick for us to respond. I think u must have had 2 doors down before we even got to cain.

come on mythic, sort this imblanace out. whole point of 3 ram rule on doors was to help ppl go defend. but when it's our turn...bah!

no one thinks a RR is a spure of the moment thing, takes time and effort - but i think numbers help

Actualy Hibs got 1 of their relics on a brilliant executed primetime raid last time. We only noticed when the relic went neutral. I still dont know how they did that but maybe you can find out and do it again?

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Actualy Hibs got 1 of their relics on a brilliant executed primetime raid last time. We only noticed when the relic went neutral. I still dont know how they did that but maybe you can find out and do it again?

That was a secret, and will stay that way, else we'd just see relics changing hands every evening, it was simply way too smart, too smart for it's own good, so we can't do it again, mids might find out how it was done then.

 

[szleynix]

Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Actualy Hibs got 1 of their relics on a brilliant executed primetime raid last time. We only noticed when the relic went neutral. I still dont know how they did that but maybe you can find out and do it again?

It was a huge effort and needed everyone to know exactly what to do.

It takes a heck of an effort, and trying to drum up support for another "you will be quiet and listen" raid is tough.

 

[old.Spug]

come on mythic, sort this imblanace out. whole point of 3 ram rule on doors was to help ppl go defend. but when it's our turn...bah!

/level 30 should certainly help on Prydwen.

 

[szleynix]

Originally posted by old.Spug
/level 30 should certainly help on Prydwen.

check the numbers

regular players are still 25% of the realm.

personally, i never thought /command wud help. you still have a lot of ppl with no cash, i hate the /level command - kinda makes u think "hi i'm new to hib....erm....why are there no groups?....oh all /level"

 

[bone_idle]

/level 30 has come and gone. The fad is over. Many came but then started to xp and realised how crap and boring it is then went back to their mains on other servers.

Hib is back to how it was before /level.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Its actually going to get tougher for defenders, not easier come 1.65.

With the changes to chars logged in keeps so that they get bounced to the nearest border keep if they log in while keep (including relic keeps) is under attack, its going to be harder, not easier, to defend relics.

But then it applies equally to all I guess.

(Oh, and some SMs logging on in 1.65 to find they suddenly have PBT )

 

[szleynix]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
Its actually going to get tougher for defenders, not easier come 1.65.

With the changes to chars logged in keeps so that they get bounced to the nearest border keep if they log in while keep (including relic keeps) is under attack, its going to be harder, not easier, to defend relics.

But then it applies equally to all I guess.

As i said, all favours the zergy US servers, not the lower pop and inbalance ones.

PS how do i get a US account?

 

[kalgarn]

Originally posted by Edlina
That was a secret, and will stay that way, else we'd just see relics changing hands every evening, it was simply way too smart, too smart for it's own good, so we can't do it again, mids might find out how it was done then.

venoid posted it on the VN boards and it was posted in here too when some mid saw the post there.

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
Well done Mids

Prime time too

Even though it was well planned it felt like taking candy from a baby.

No matter how you look at it, there just arent enough hibs to defend against 140+ mids at the moment :/

We should give it back imho ;p

Who needs POW relics when all we have are savages in emain ;p

 

[ilum]

It was taking candy from a baby And only an incompetent criminal would need planning to do that.

(soz random flame )

 

[Bebopbo]

nice job mids

i logged on at 9gmt to be told we had just lost our 1 & only relic in under 15 mins!

To me an RR should include as many peeps from your realm as possible to make it a realm effort & boost the morale of your realm up, The last Relic we took i agree was damn clever & we needed it

I didnt like the way it was done tbh, no-one hardly knew about it until after it was took...but what options do we have ...none

I only play daoc for rvr & rvr events such as RR's / keep raids & get fun out of it, due to the population on hib its become ubberly dull in rvr & merely impossible for hib "as a relam" to take any relic

but as i said, damn good job you did there guys
/salute mids
/slaps mythic

 

[old.Belorfyn]

Originally posted by szleynix
Well planned? BUt we plan in week advance too, and normally means RL spending a few hundread gp on items too

We spotted u only when spam of Scat guards. Fact is, if careful u can get to a RK un-noticed.

We've tried all sorts of tactics/time/day but still get slaughtered trying for a relic. Well done to you, but still....that was far too quick for us to respond. I think u must have had 2 doors down before we even got to cain.

come on mythic, sort this imblanace out. whole point of 3 ram rule on doors was to help ppl go defend. but when it's our turn...bah!

no one thinks a RR is a spure of the moment thing, takes time and effort - but i think numbers help

I mean, perhaps it was easy, perhaps there is imbalance, and perhaps we got alot Mids on the raid but that doesn't make the raid less planned or skilled

Anyway, we had Shadowblade inside keep before we even got to Collory zone and there WAS Hibs logging inside. I don't remember those names but it is certain that someone spotted us (because if we weren't, then they found out some other way which I don't wanna think about really).
If your guild or alliance didn't hear about the attack sooner than you heard from guard spam, perhaps you the problem wasn't that we weren't seen at all but rather that your realm can't communicate fast enough.

About Alb/Hib RR's, I can't remember many relic attack on Mids that we wouldn't had spotted by keep guards or by Mids in Odin's rather than suddenly found out that our relic keep is being attacked. That's probably why mostly Albs or Hibs haven't been able to get through first or second door atleast before there has been too much defence.
On our latest relic raids to Albion, we've got through two doors almost every time.

This doesn't mean I wouldn't agree that there is imbalance problems on this server but probably both Albs and Hibs could use improvement in their RR tactics (well, except the one clever one by Hibs which was mentioned here too )
Atleast I know we can always find room for improvement in Mid, whether in attack or defence. We usually have discussions about these things after the raids and come up with new ideas and stuff.

Oh well, enough babbling

 

[ilum]

Originally posted by old.Belorfyn
I mean, perhaps it was easy, perhaps there is imbalance, and perhaps we got alot Mids on the raid but that doesn't make the raid less planned or skilled

Perhaps there is imbalance, and there is more Mids for sure. This doesn't make the raid less planned or skilled no, but this means that the fact that the raid was successful doesnt really mean that it was skilled.

Skill = Overcoming a challenge.

If the challenge doesnt exist, you cant prove skill. Whether you have it or not. And I'm kinda pissed you took Hibs only relic away from them. Thats why I arranged keeptake tonight and smacked 4 of your keeps down. Well not only because of that. Also because you are a bunch of fotm-wankers xD

 

[old.Spug]

this would be why the albs havent tried for the hib Relic then hmm?

getting an entire zerg through emain, and to the doors of the relic keep, without warning the hibs (despite a few wrong turns) takes planning... we've done it to the albs too, unfortunately, when we did it to the albs we lost ram carriers along the way, or you'd be seeing this post as well on an alb RR.

patience albs, your time will come.

 

[old.Spug]

and taking keeps? you must be proud, that takes work, well done...

 

[Zarmin]

mmmm

Originally posted by old.Spug
/level 30 should certainly help on Prydwen.

Sadly NO, most of peeps as numbers show made an alt, played a bit and gone back to their home realm/server (as was easily forseeable tbh)
Take it as another Cassandra's speaking and not as whine but dear enemies if u don't stop those uber ganking farming rps grps and uber zergs u'll end up fighting each others in all frontiers and trust me u'll get bored in a month or so fighting each others BO, PE, MM and few others...

Back to be ganked by plenty of Albs/Mids tho

Btw nice fight zerg vs zerg at amg Odin yesterday night, strangely we won in the end
EDIT : the other zerg was Alb one btw

Cheers all

 

[ilum]

Originally posted by old.Spug
and taking keeps? you must be proud, that takes work, well done...

No that was kind of the point. It wasnt a challenge but it screwed you over a bit. Id be glad to do it again when I have the chance.

The same point mids when they attacked Bled with 2FGs undefended (or maybe 1 infil there) and got to lord and .... erm...

well the same point when they came back with 2FGs+extras and they....erm...

nervermind

 

[old.Spug]

nervermind

I dont I like taking keeps sure its more fun when they're defended, but take our keeps and we'll take em back thats what we do...,

that, and roll fotm's, cos thats what us mids all are eh

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by old.Spug
getting an entire zerg through emain, and to the doors of the relic keep, without warning the hibs (despite a few wrong turns) takes planning... we've done it to the albs too, unfortunately, when we did it to the albs we lost ram carriers along the way, or you'd be seeing this post as well on an alb RR.

Wow, congratulations, you can move a zerg through a frontier to a relic keep without getting spotted, god you must be teh uber leader for relic raids... (even though you were silly enough to not bring enough rams when you attacked Excalibur - if you are 140 mids why the f*ck can't you bring 20 rams instead of the 9 you can max use at the doors, and then not worry about not having enough rams because people go link-dead? I mean how f*cking stupid can you be? - no offence of course...)

Oh, and too bad Venoid posted the tactics - idiot champ - how f*cking hard can it be to keep quiet when he was told to shut up about it 20 times during the freakin' raid....

Anyway plenty other smart tactics to get them instead of just zerging them like mids and albs always have done, not that it matters since hibs can't defend against teh mid/alb zergs. (clever tactic of albs hacking the log-in server when taking back the str relics though)

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Post-relic raid threads:

Winning side: Yay us
Whining side: n00bzergersffs
Uninvolved side: We would have done it better.

Same old same old fertilizer.

Relics changing hands is a good thing and livens the server up.

Now stop complaining, start plotting, get your realms actually cooperating and come make the attempt.

Bring on the fun