Condemned houses

[GReaper]

The 1.89a patch notes mentions condemned houses for players who are no longer subscribing to the game. GOA's 1.89 test notes doesn't even mention it.

Anyone with any idea what happened to this? Missing from the notes or not implemented on EU servers due to incompatibilities? I hope it's the latter.

 

[Cadelin]

What difference does it make anyway?

Every patch you seem to have to redo /listmerchant anyway so the consignment merchants won't be appearing anyway. I guess a few players might have made some nice looking houses but in general they are just taking up space.

 

[SoulFly]

It makes a difference to people who no longer play the game but want to keep their houses

I have a long history with the LOT and the house and its interior. Hence not willing to part with it even though I don't play the game any longer.

 

[Ctuchik]

What difference does it make anyway?

Every patch you seem to have to redo /listmerchant anyway so the consignment merchants won't be appearing anyway. I guess a few players might have made some nice looking houses but in general they are just taking up space.

because ppl can STOCK enough cash on the CM to pay for the rent. if someone yanks up 100+ plat on the CM they dont need anyone what so ever to buy anything from them for quite a few years so they can pay for the rent.

 

[Ctuchik]

It makes a difference to people who no longer play the game but want to keep their houses

I have a long history with the LOT and the house and its interior. Hence not willing to part with it even though I don't play the game any longer.

so what does it matter? ur never gonna "use" that house again anyway. granted theres no lot shortage on Dyvet, but if it were i cant see a problem with doing what Mythic does.

after all, they cant keep houses on a "possibility", that ppl just MIGHT return, some day within the comming years.

if they have ppl that wants/needs a lot NOW but here aint any coz ppl like you dont pay for the game and have a house anyway thay they dont plan to come back to. ofc you should lose it.

and if you REALLY wan to keep that house, start paying

 

[SoulFly]

so what does it matter? ur never gonna "use" that house again anyway. granted theres no lot shortage on Dyvet, but if it were i cant see a problem with doing what Mythic does.

after all, they cant keep houses on a "possibility", that ppl just MIGHT return, some day within the comming years.

if they have ppl that wants/needs a lot NOW but here aint any coz ppl like you dont pay for the game and have a house anyway thay they dont plan to come back to. ofc you should lose it.

and if you REALLY wan to keep that house, start paying

I've paid alot to the company so I should be able to keep a house. The system is only justified for servers which are full. To you nostalgy might not hold any value but to me it does.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I've paid alot to the company so I should be able... oh, wait, it's GoA... I'm fucked.

Fixed it for you. I agree on your arguments though .

 

[Cadelin]

because ppl can STOCK enough cash on the CM to pay for the rent. if someone yanks up 100+ plat on the CM they dont need anyone what so ever to buy anything from them for quite a few years so they can pay for the rent.

But if they don't play anymore who cares if they pay for the rent or not? Do you really think people that haven't played for months are likely to return in a few years time?

However for the people still playing the main use for other people's houses is their consigment merchant. Unfortunately if you don't do /listmerchant every patch you will no longer be found on any searches so the point of that house staying goes completely.

 

[old.windforce]

because ppl can STOCK enough cash on the CM to pay for the rent. if someone yanks up 100+ plat on the CM they dont need anyone what so ever to buy anything from them for quite a few years so they can pay for the rent.

House will go in 100 days, no matter how much cash is on the CM

unless you pay 12 EUR

 

[SoulFly]

House will go in 100 days, no matter how much cash is on the CM

unless you pay 12 EUR

Wasn't it 120 days ?

I don't care what I have on my cm, since I've not sold a thing in ages. I care about the house and lot. Also what I have inside

To some nostalgia means nothing and to some it means everything.

 

[leviathane]

idd, love my houses on various servers. Spent hard times collecting some the stuff inside em and would rather have some respect from daoc to let them be seeing as we played the game for so damn long.

 

[SoulFly]

<licks leviathane>

 

[Levin]

We have to get rid of our old houses so the 18 people online get their lebensraum!

 

[Golena]

Wasn't it 120 days ?

I don't care what I have on my cm, since I've not sold a thing in ages. I care about the house and lot. Also what I have inside

To some nostalgia means nothing and to some it means everything.

Why not just tell you your house is still there and then remove it.

It's not like your ever going to know without paying money.
You really think that in a years time your going to fork over 8 quid just to go back and look at your house?

 

[SoulFly]

Maybe I would :s

 

[Flimgoblin]

unlike a normal rent expiring this thing keeps _all_ your stuff, even the decorations iirc.

 

[GReaper]

The condemned houses are in, looks like the GOA patch notes have missed it out.

Damn!

 

[Ctuchik]

I've paid alot to the company so I should be able to keep a house. The system is only justified for servers which are full. To you nostalgy might not hold any value but to me it does.

and i bet theres ppl out there that has paid just as much as you have and still can't get a lot (on the US servers ofc). so what makes you special enough that you should keep a house ur never ever gonna use then?

and i'm not saying that ppl on Dyvet that has inactive accounts should lose their houses as there isnt a lot shortage.

i'm just trying to figure out what makes some ppl more special then others in a game even after they stopped paying and never wil come back.


i fail to see how "nostalgy" can be an argument here.

u gonna use that when GOA finally pulls the plug on Dyvet to?

 

[SoulFly]

unlike a normal rent expiring this thing keeps _all_ your stuff, even the decorations iirc.

That's a good thing. Still !

 

[SoulFly]

and i bet theres ppl out there that has paid just as much as you have and still can't get a lot (on the US servers ofc). so what makes you special enough that you should keep a house ur never ever gonna use then?

and i'm not saying that ppl on Dyvet that has inactive accounts should lose their houses as there isnt a lot shortage.

i'm just trying to figure out what makes some ppl more special then others in a game even after they stopped paying and never wil come back.


i fail to see how "nostalgy" can be an argument here.

u gonna use that when GOA finally pulls the plug on Dyvet to?

US=!EURO.

and quite frankly I've stated my reasons enough in this thread

 

[hrodelbert]

Do you think i could come round for tea and crumpets SF? I'll even bring my pink tea set!

 

[leviathane]

lol now that's a blast from the past.

 

[Crunk'dOutOfMyHeadMo]

Haha sure was :d..


And SF, don't you think I have forgotten those 3 plats I owe you!

You play any daoc still? If you do I got plats on temair for you, if not you can have them in war/aoc, if thats alright xd

 

[SoulFly]

Do you think i could come round for tea and crumpets SF? I'll even bring my pink tea set!

Yes please do come !

ps: hi2u!

 

[Golena]

US=!EURO.

and quite frankly I've stated my reasons enough in this thread

Should GOA keep paying to run the server even tho no-one has logged on for 20 years, on the off chance someone might want to go visit their house.. Where do we draw the line here? If in the year 2030 you decide you want to go have a wander round your old lot, are you going to bitch that you can't?

If it actually means as much to you as your implying then 8 quid a month doesn't sound like much to keep it there. If your not prepared to pay 8 quid a month, then it obviously isn't that important!

I doubt you'd even fork over the amount of money it would cost to get them to remove the condemmed houses from the patch (a programmers time for a few days) so I really don't see how you've made any arguments that back up your reasons here.

You could probably keep your house going for the cost of one night out on the piss. If your not prepared to pay that then erm.. i'd hardly describe your nostalgia as "everything". In fact I think your falling firmly in the "nothing" category!

 

[Conway]

Should GOA keep paying to run the server even tho no-one has logged on for 20 years, on the off chance someone might want to go visit their house.. Where do we draw the line here? If in the year 2030 you decide you want to go have a wander round your old lot, are you going to bitch that you can't?

If it actually means as much to you as your implying then 8 quid a month doesn't sound like much to keep it there. If your not prepared to pay 8 quid a month, then it obviously isn't that important!

I doubt you'd even fork over the amount of money it would cost to get them to remove the condemmed houses from the patch (a programmers time for a few days) so I really don't see how you've made any arguments that back up your reasons here.

You could probably keep your house going for the cost of one night out on the piss. If your not prepared to pay that then erm.. i'd hardly describe your nostalgia as "everything". In fact I think your falling firmly in the "nothing" category!

Always nice to pop back here after a few months and see the community spirit, respect and sympathy for other people's views is still going strong. This is the attitude that made Dyvet what it is today, while the french and german servers are barren empty wastelands. (for those that missed it, this is known as irony).

Firstly, in my opinion, the english servers are probably no longer financially viable or will be that way very soon. I would expect there are people no longer playing who still have active accounts because they paid for six months or a year. These will not be renewed so the financial situation will be getting steadily worse as they expire. Probably the main financial argument for not closing the servers is that it would make the rest of the european player base nervous.

Secondly, while you are keeping the english servers open it makes sense not to do anything that deters old players from returning. Some will consider a return, possibly only a brief one, at times when they have more playing time, or have grown tired of their new game. Every small bit of income helps. Houses vanishing, even if their contents are stored, will deter people. I would be more likely to return on a whim if I could log in and pick up the items stored in the house to use. If I have to log in and run round the housing area trying to work out what is stored where and how to fit it in a character's already full inventory while I build a new house, then I am not going to bother. It does not seem an entertaining way to start back in a game.

Thirdly, there is no reason to delete houses on Dyvet, since one village would seem more than adequate space for the entire active player population of each realm to build new houses. However if its needed on the healthy french and german servers, and it would cost even a pound extra to avoid doing it on Dyvet as well, then they will probably be deleted.

Fourthly, in my skimming through the forum I see a lot about character transfer and further clustering. I expect it would be possible to do these things, but given the active Dyvet player base the potential financial benefits could not possibly justify the cost. It would be a huge gesture of goodwill for GOA to do it, and given the things said and done by some players in the past I expect the goodwill has worn thin. There is also the question about how the actively played servers who have more customers and therefore a bigger vote would feel about Dyvet being clustered with them. Possibly they might read this forum and feel they could do without it.

All games have a lifespan I suppose. Once the population drops too low things fall apart. Looking at the number of players online, its clear the lifespan of this game was shorter on the english servers than in the rest of europe. You can point at issues over AC raiding as the last straw, but that was really a problem because the population was already low. The rot had set in earlier. Perhaps this was really down to an attitude where people would cheer when someone else left the game, even in some cases deliberately try and drive them out because they weren't members of their gang/clique/playing style whatever. It is that attitude that means some people who loved this game and expected to keep playing until the lights went out on the servers, won't come back, won't read this forum, won't even speak about this game to me.

The moral is, if you want to have fun in a game, try and make sure other people can have fun in their way too. If they don't, and leave, then every farewell post is another nail in the coffin.

Dyvet is dead as far as most people posting here are concerned. There was a time it was fun. Remember that time, and let the corpse rest in peace.

 

[Mundokar]

The sad truth is that in 115 days almost all houses surrounding my house will be gone. When you enter a house it says when a house will be condemned. I checked yesterday on Excalibur and about 95% of the houses give this message.

 

[Castus]

The sad truth is that in 115 days almost all houses surrounding my house will be gone. When you enter a house it says when a house will be condemned. I checked yesterday on Excalibur and about 95% of the houses give this message.

You got far to much spare time!

 

[Raven]

Does it actually matter though? If you don't play it anymore and don't intend to ever play it again, do you really care if your house disappears?

 

[Castus]

Does it actually matter though? If you don't play it anymore and don't intend to ever play it again, do you really care if your house disappears?

Soul does! Its the only place he could safely stash his kobbie porn without his mum finding it