Complete ML4 raid ( xept 4.1, 4.3, 4.4 )

[Rambo[DS]]

Time is : 18:00 GMT , Wendsday 17 March.
Place is : Stygia

Be sure :
- You are level 50.
- you are there 15 minutes sooner, ( we leave 18:01 ).
- you have alrdy done 4.1, 4.3, 4.4 ( http://www.visionofsages.net/toa/Master_Level_Four.shtml#ml4t5 )

Sign up here telling the class and the name of the character you comin with and keep looking cause i will keep editing the post about the groups.

GRP-01 :
GRP-02 :
GRP-03 :
GRP-04 :
GRP-05 :
GRP-06 :

less than 6fg = no raid. while the raid is in 5 days after the post, i hope we have enough sing ups.

 

[Vermin]

Wermin, pally is comming

 

[Rambo[DS]]

only Wermin till now?
i hope there are more havent finish ml4.2, cause we need 6fg at least to do this part.

 

[Anamas]

hope to be there with level 50 thug -- 10 sec. pbt only ;-(

and a ml or 2 up the list

chzz

 

[Rambo[DS]]

come on people, sign up, you wont have the chance doin 4.2 easy till next patch, while now need 6fg+

 

[Aldrian]

Ill come

 

[Tyrath]

Comming, need 4.8 so a successfull 4.2 raid is needed
Keanyxx lvl 50 pala

 

[Grimtin]

Paladin signing up

 

[Minimez]

Coming need 4.8 ... try and nudge guildys along too if i can /beg enough ..

Rambo maybe switch to tueday or thursday ? as theres allready a ml raid on the wednesday.?? just a thought

 

[Speeedy]

I for one will not be on the raid as Rambo has just screwed a ml2 raid out of drops.

At the END of the raid he said the main group are keeping 2 drops (just happen to be best 2 ) and the rest of the raid 45 people at one point? will get the 30 rogs ;p

way to go.. now know not to go on any of your raids :<

 

[lillagullan]

coming when u are on 4.10

 

[Rambo[DS]]

I for one will not be on the raid as Rambo has just screwed a ml2 raid out of drops.

At the END of the raid he said the main group are keeping 2 drops (just happen to be best 2 ) and the rest of the raid 45 people at one point? will get the 30 rogs ;p

way to go.. now know not to go on any of your raids :<

fyi was 4 drops.

2 keys, 1 ml respec stone, and 1 material stuff.

so 1 key 1 material for bg, and 1 key and respec stone for the main grp.
its fair enough imo when a good fg leads for 6hrs another 5fg with success, what if they roll and they got nothing? dont those ppl need a bonus for what they offer? if there is no bonus why they should bother doin it again? To lose 6hrs or more of their lives?
This will count again if i lead a raid wich i have alrdy done, main grp gets half the drops of last mob. doesnt count for ml4 raid tho.

 

[Rambo[DS]]

Coming need 4.8 ... try and nudge guildys along too if i can /beg enough ..

Rambo maybe switch to tueday or thursday ? as theres allready a ml raid on the wednesday.?? just a thought

yes we better do this thursday.

please all check it... raid moves on thursday, not wendsday.

 

[Yussef]

They can come for MLXP Oo

 

[Miina Ashera]

Miina Ashera season 50 Sorceress will be there.

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

I will be there, Matri 50 minstrel

 

[Speeedy]

fyi was 4 drops.

2 keys, 1 ml respec stone, and 1 material stuff.

so 1 key 1 material for bg, and 1 key and respec stone for the main grp.
its fair enough imo when a good fg leads for 6hrs another 5fg with success, what if they roll and they got nothing? dont those ppl need a bonus for what they offer? if there is no bonus why they should bother doin it again? To lose 6hrs or more of their lives?
This will count again if i lead a raid wich i have alrdy done, main grp gets half the drops of last mob. doesnt count for ml4 raid tho.

Would not have been to bad if you said before the raid that way people know if to come or not, so not only did you get mlxp the same as some of us who were there just to help and get xp but you also took the best items when you see what droped.. rofl

selfish bastard imo only out for himself but then what else would you expect.

 

[Misleath]

I think its ok for the raidleaders to claim one item for the time and effort they put into the raid, but in that case they _must_ announce it before the raid, a couple of times so noone could miss it. I think its very bad to change the rules of the raid during it (unless it is something that really have to change).

 

[Nxs]

I for one will not be on the raid as Rambo has just screwed a ml2 raid out of drops.

At the END of the raid he said the main group are keeping 2 drops (just happen to be best 2 ) and the rest of the raid 45 people at one point? will get the 30 rogs ;p

way to go.. now know not to go on any of your raids :<

I heard this too - complaints from people on the raid that loot rules were changed during the split, just advised our members not to partake in these raids in future.

If a raid leader wants to reserve the right to hold back loot this must be announced at the start of the raid, not at the end.

 

[Nxs]

fyi was 4 drops.

2 keys, 1 ml respec stone, and 1 material stuff.

so 1 key 1 material for bg, and 1 key and respec stone for the main grp.
its fair enough imo when a good fg leads for 6hrs another 5fg with success, what if they roll and they got nothing? dont those ppl need a bonus for what they offer? if there is no bonus why they should bother doin it again? To lose 6hrs or more of their lives?
This will count again if i lead a raid wich i have alrdy done, main grp gets half the drops of last mob. doesnt count for ml4 raid tho.

I disagree - Ive never held back any loot for ML raids that I've ran, or will run in the future, thats just unfair - if you want to to that then at least announce it before the raid starts. It just seams like your abusing groups of people to farm the ML dungeons for drops that you want.. pahh... /slap !!

 

[Graknak]

pre-claiming drops for so called "ffa" raids has been the downfall of many leaders i've seen, ofc. they have the right to do so, but the way they usually do it isn't exactly the way it should be.

In my opinion every person has an equal share in letting a raid finish wether a person does the leading part, or wether he tanks, heals or rezzes etc. (those being afk alot or do the wrong things are an exception ofc.)
Some jobs might look harder but it all depends on the player behind it, if ya think leading is hard, don't do it imho and find someone who does like doing so.

 

[Nxs]

The most ironic thing here - if the first post included these Loot Rules... then im almost certain the same people would have gone and there would have been no bitching.

 

[Graknak]

The most ironic thing here - if the first post included these Loot Rules... then im almost certain the same people would have gone and there would have been no bitching.

Most of them, but don't forget that x.10 loot is overall much better compared to most high lvl rogs.
Only Aerus City and the last few ml's can drop better rogs.

 

[Retrakith]

Season include Winter, Summer, Autmn and Spring, when talking about daoc.. its "Level" so..well..i stop here. xDxDxD

 

[Minimez]

Hmm think ill wait for a hotfix for 4.2.

 

[Spesh]

cleric signing up (your loot rules do suck tho)

 

[lillagullan]

fyi was 4 drops.

2 keys, 1 ml respec stone, and 1 material stuff.

so 1 key 1 material for bg, and 1 key and respec stone for the main grp.
its fair enough imo when a good fg leads for 6hrs another 5fg with success, what if they roll and they got nothing? dont those ppl need a bonus for what they offer? if there is no bonus why they should bother doin it again? To lose 6hrs or more of their lives?
This will count again if i lead a raid wich i have alrdy done, main grp gets half the drops of last mob. doesnt count for ml4 raid tho.

u can't say 1 fg made the raid success, what did the other 5 fg do ? afking ? or are they just gimps that isn't alowed to fight in your eyes? to be in the leader grp u don't need to take 50% of the drops, and 100% of the best drops, its not that hard to read on vos what to do, and be MA, F8 targetting works gr8, ML3 maybe is the only one u need people to listen without zerging everything they see... but this is my opinion, only been MA in one ML raid :/

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Yah, Rambo got to agree with lillan here :touch:

 

[Jenkz]

I think the 'bonus' in organising a raid is to compelte your MLs is exactly that - You get your MLs completed with help from others which you wouldnt have got otherwise.

ML4.2 sucks, completely, people should really go just to get that completed - not for loot.

 

[Rambo[DS]]

selfish bastard imo only out for himself but then what else would you expect.

thank you. seems you have kinda great attitude and mouth.

I disagree - Ive never held back any loot for ML raids that I've ran, or will run in the future, thats just unfair - if you want to to that then at least announce it before the raid starts. It just seams like your abusing groups of people to farm the ML dungeons for drops that you want.. pahh... /slap !!

You can do whatever you like in "your" raids, ML2.10 can be done with 1fg only no need even a single more person. i could just get a fg only and go kill 2.10 mob and get the same xp and walk out in 20 minutes... but no i stayed there, helped a lot of people do even the solo part. if you loot cry babes want loot of 2.10 get a fg and go kill it.

As for those saying your rules suck etc, ( even its only couple of them, while 30+ people was happy for a good raid ) :
THIS RULE WAS ONLY FOR ML2.10 !
and while "some" people not like it, next time i will get the main fg kill the 2.10 mob before the raid start and then will lead the rest people on raid and kill it again and give all loot to bg.