comments bout ml marathon

[vavires]

If u wish tell me what u thought bout the marathon.
This is for me to know if u would liek to c this again in future and if u want to c something changed ect...

Tx all for joining we topped at 121 ppl. Was very nice to c.

Greets vavi

 

[Zedenz]

Nice going for the first time, hopefully time it takes can improve over time :]

 

[Durgi]

Dude,

Having run a few ml raids from time to time over the years. hat's off to your for running such raids. think all who attended should offer there thanks for the time, an undoubted stress you took during the day. congratz on pulling it off large scale raids are very difficult to arrange. I still have nightmares of the day Myself and Belorfyn organised the first large ML1 raid after tao release.. /bg who 212 matches.. 9 hours later we got well over 100 people through every step ml1 group, solo, and bg.. and trust me trying to organise 20+ groups through various stages of ML1 is a logistical nightmare

anyways hats off to you V job well done.

D.

 

[Golena]

If u wish tell me what u thought bout the marathon.
This is for me to know if u would liek to c this again in future and if u want to c something changed ect...

Tx all for joining we topped at 121 ppl. Was very nice to c.

Greets vavi

It was a good effort by everyone there, and 5 ml's completed. I have run an insane number of raids myself so know what it's like trying to lead them.

The one negative comment I would have (and I hope you take this constructively cos that's how it's meant) is the amount of time it took moving on from steps after completing them. It was often 10 mins after killing a mob before we were starting to move to the next one (one example would be after 6.3, once people were rezzed from the lava we should be moving, 15 mins later we hadn't moved an inch), which is what I think lead to some of the frustration. People standing about get bored easily. I've always been of the opinion if your moving a short distance between steps, yell stick, then move. For most steps it doesn't matter who's stuck to who and most of the organising can be done while waiting for LD's at the next step.

Was my first ML raid on mid and it wasn't a bad one to start with (i've been on much worse) so a big thx to the leaders.

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Dude,

Having run a few ml raids from time to time over the years. hat's off to your for running such raids. think all who attended should offer there thanks for the time, an undoubted stress you took during the day. congratz on pulling it off large scale raids are very difficult to arrange. I still have nightmares of the day Myself and Belorfyn organised the first large ML1 raid after tao release.. /bg who 212 matches.. 9 hours later we got well over 100 people through every step ml1 group, solo, and bg.. and trust me trying to organise 20+ groups through various stages of ML1 is a logistical nightmare

anyways hats off to you V job well done.

D.

smurf should get back ingame so dwera can get MLs! :>

 

[Ayana]

While I appreciate your effort, there was a lot of things today that could have gone a lot smoother and faster. All comments are based on it's supposed to be a *marathon* raid, and not a single ML raid.

First and foremost, the LD's. Too much time was spent waiting for LD people, and while it might seem harsh, you shouldn't hold up the raid for LD's after their first. Worst case scenario, if waiting 2 x 5 minutes per person, we could have been waiting for LD's for 16+ hours total throughout the raid.

Another thing to avoid is redoing steps. It sucks to miss a step, we've all tried it, but on a marathon, you need to spend as little time per ML as possible, and redoing steps is just a no-go imo, even if it's close by/fast repop.

Personal preparation: Ill will have ALL steps MACCROED, ill make sure i have all items already FARMED, ill try to get the biggest BOAT and some lessons how to control it . If other ppl have boats , take em with u.

You didn't though. No Eel Stomach, no Bloodstone, no Salamander Ash.. etc. All things that held up the raid where it could have been avoided adding time where it was unnecessary.

You'd also want to avoid choosing complete muppets as co-leaders. A good example was on top of the ML4 pyramid where a co-leader wanted a person kicked from the BG because he apparently was standing too close to the portal we were about to enter (??!!?). Choose your co-leaders with care, and try not to get someone who, when given a little authority, either abuse it or turn 007 on everyone.

The cancellation of the ML8 (and almost ML6 as well) steps is also a clear pointer that everything could have gone (a lot) better. Too much time was spent per raid on average if we were to get all 6 ML's done, and your announcement post also clearly suggests you thought it would have taken a lot less time per ML than it actually did.

Thanks for the raid though, unfortunately I can't make your next one.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Haven't been at the entire raid, only number 4, but imo, quite well executed, though indeed I would've not waited for the ld's that long, and I would've closed the BG at start, given 1 person the task of reinviting the ld's etc. and booted those that just didn't listen faster.

While I appreciate your effort, there was a lot of things today that could have gone a lot smoother and faster. All comments are based on it's supposed to be a *marathon* raid, and not a single ML raid.

First and foremost, the LD's. Too much time was spent waiting for LD people, and while it might seem harsh, you shouldn't hold up the raid for LD's after their first. Worst case scenario, if waiting 2 x 5 minutes per person, we could have been waiting for LD's for 16+ hours total throughout the raid.

Theoretically, indeed, it would have been possible... but not feasable by far. if all go ld, there's a reason for it, and they all go simultane, so that's not a real issue, though, indeed it could've been planned a bit better perhaps.

Another thing to avoid is redoing steps. It sucks to miss a step, we've all tried it, but on a marathon, you need to spend as little time per ML as possible, and redoing steps is just a no-go imo, even if it's close by/fast repop.

Depends on the situation really..

Personal preparation: Ill will have ALL steps MACCROED, ill make sure i have all items already FARMED, ill try to get the biggest BOAT and some lessons how to control it . If other ppl have boats , take em with u.

You didn't though. No Eel Stomach, no Bloodstone, no Salamander Ash.. etc. All things that held up the raid where it could have been avoided adding time where it was unnecessary.

I wasn't there, but there's enough time lost planning and organising something like this, (try it for once, just for fun, and 90% would go nuts on a WAY shorter raid then something like this) so I can imagine skipping a few fast ones there, and doing them with the bg.

You'd also want to avoid choosing complete muppets as co-leaders. A good example was on top of the ML4 pyramid where a co-leader wanted a person kicked from the BG because he apparently was standing too close to the portal we were about to enter (??!!?). Choose your co-leaders with care, and try not to get someone who, when given a little authority, either abuse it or turn 007 on everyone.

This is just pure and utter fooltalk. If anything, ovron wasn't harsh enough here. These people gotten away with stuff where I would have booted them long before. If you come to a raid like this, your job is to listen to the raidleader, and follow him in every word and not to question him. His raid, his rules. If you don't like it, make your own. A masterlevel raid is hard enough to lead without fools that just do stuff to tick ye off.

The cancellation of the ML8 (and almost ML6 as well) steps is also a clear pointer that everything could have gone (a lot) better. Too much time was spent per raid on average if we were to get all 6 ML's done, and your announcement post also clearly suggests you thought it would have taken a lot less time per ML than it actually did.

This raid was based on an idea in alb or hib.. dunno which exactly anymore... they got pet spammers, 'nuff said... PvE in Midgard is a lot, and with that I mean, A LOT harder then in the other two realms. There was absolutely no way to be certain how long it would take all-in-all. So you'd make an estimate at start, but here it just didn't go according to the estimate. No biggy.

Thanks for the raid though, unfortunately I can't make your next one.

 

[vavires]

Tx for the reactions so far,

Can i point out, Bloodstone i missed cause when i did presteps with my own either wedidnt get it (bug) or i just simply forgot to ask (happens). The salamander ash i had (since its a not tradeble item from presteps) i just overlooked it. And the eel well, i think i had it once on like 6 of my ml 3 riads. I cba to farm hours above hours for tis, when u expect a zerg +5groups.

About that second co leader. I can sey that i thrust him Fairly enough. I ca say that he thought me a lot about Ml raids. And im happy he came along. I also wanne poin tot that he didnt slept the night before (RvR-ing). Not reallt the point but ovvy was there especially to keep th eppl in line and cut of the details i could miss, tx again for ure help ovvy.

And last point, Yes in went to slow for my opinion, it was what 14.30cet by end of lotto ml2?. thats like at least 90 minuts of shedule. Reasons? yes onlye reason is ld's. all steps were done very fast, but if u indeed count all the ld's, ull come at the lost time, (fe where the zerg had to wait to get a person stuck in a room after ld ect...). I can only hope fot less lag of another 1 of these comes along. imo raid times can be made like this. ML1 = 1 -1.15h. ML2, same. ML3 2 - 2.30h. ML4 Same. Ml6 same. if u take max times u would get something like 10 hours. yesterday with brakes, lds and lotto all together. being sort of started at 10.00am and ended around 01.00 is about 15 hours. thtas what i expeced in a matter of time. A well beter luck next time, i just cant leave all the ppl lding behind all the ime...

greets vav

keep the comment comming.

 

[Dracon]

Well this was my first ever ML raid as have decided to finally sort Mizar out with ML's. Maybe furture raids could be spread over more days like day1: ml1 2 and 3 then day3:4 6 8, day3: 5 7 8 day4: 9 and 10. It was a hell of a long day but when you pass a certain barrier you get a new lease of like .

What pissed me off alot was the amount of time wasted on waiting for ld's. Think maybe set at start of raid for amount of lds allowed for everyone. I am not sure how many of those people that kept lding had second accounts running and are there computers up to handling GFX on such a raid. I am not sure how to address this though. Maybe assign a person at start of raid to have a list of names with everyone and they have 3 lives.

I think that the raidleaders should be respected during the raid and anyone that starts arguing or not listening to them should be kicked from BG. This seems harsh but will soon wise alot of them up :touch: .

Once again I would like to thank Vavires and his trusty sidekick Ovron for the effort that they both put into leading raid .

 

[Deleted member 4013]

In my opinion it would be wise to limit the amount of participiants of these raids. It took 13 hours to get from Ml1 to ml4, which is quite a long time considering the pres are done.

Also like one of our group suggested, lmit the amount of LDs per person to no more than 5. During the 13 hour raid I didn't get a single LD, nor did many other I know of. So why delay the whole raid for the ones, who have crappy computer / connection and whos' input for the raid might be questionable.

Also like said, afking isn't / shouldn't be taken lightly, give warning and if after that still afking this individual kick him.

I didn't like the fact that raid leader also started to question co-leaders suggestions - do the talk in cg, not in battlegroup.

Overall I mostly got what I needed for, well I still lack ml2 and ml3 for Cadeven, but first was due one prestep not done, and ml3 was due buggy antioos step - antioos wouldn't take the three items, even in journal was this quest in a step of return them!

 

[Golena]

This raid was based on an idea in alb or hib.. dunno which exactly anymore... they got pet spammers, 'nuff said... PvE in Midgard is a lot, and with that I mean, A LOT harder then in the other two realms. There was absolutely no way to be certain how long it would take all-in-all. So you'd make an estimate at start, but here it just didn't go according to the estimate. No biggy.

Sorry to pull you up on this, but this statement is just pure crap, sorry.
I've attended well over 100 ml raids in alb and I can assure you that petspam really doesn't make a difference in situations like yesterday.

Pets lower the AF of mobs. But if you have a zerg of 100 people that's really insignificant. The only time you can claim that pets would make any difference at all is on very very big bosses. Lets take ML1 as an example, the only mob in the entire ML1 step that didn't die within 30 seconds of engaging it was probably cetus (albs don't petspam cetus on ml raids fyi). This died in about 2 mins tops on the raid?

The ML1 raid yesterday (if you included the lotto) took about 2 hours. Average on Alb/excal raids for a rush this size would be 45 mins to an hour. We didn't lose 60 minutes cos we lacked pet spam!

ML2 raid, name one boss where pets would of sped it up by an hour, the amount of time we lost on this raid.

ML3 Again, All mobs died within 2 to 3 mins, no time was lost here due to lack of petspam, in fact the mobs died faster than on 90% of all alb ml3 raids i've attended, and i've got 10 alb chars with ml3 credit!

You can yell petspam all you want, but it's simply a poor excuse to make up for other things that went wrong. If you had a raid of 1 or 2 fg's then yes, petspam makes a HUGE difference, and id be the first to agree with you, but with 100 people it makes almost none!

 

[Golena]

And last point, Yes in went to slow for my opinion, it was what 14.30cet by end of lotto ml2?. thats like at least 90 minuts of shedule. Reasons? yes onlye reason is ld's. all steps were done very fast, but if u indeed count all the ld's, ull come at the lost time

Again this isn't entirely true. The steps went very fast, i'd agree with you here, at least once the steps had started they went very fast.

It went very slow for 3 reasons..
1) The amount of time spent waiting for LD's. This was way too long, as has been pointed out already, you can't wait for someone who has gone LD 7 times already on the rush for another 3 minutes. If you want to run 6 ml raids on one day you have to be ruthless about waiting. If you get a 100 person zerg then 3 or 4 of those people are going to miss some steps. There's simply no avoiding that. It's far better to simply let a few people miss steps but accomplish the raid in half the time, even for the person that went LD!

Yes it sucks to LD and miss a step, but if the raid took 7 hours instead of 14, and you missed 1 step, that's 7 hours to repeat the 1 ML you missed and you still get credit for them all in a shorter time. You can't get 100% of people credit and still get all 6 done in a single day, as I think you learned from today. Either run 1 per day and make sure everyone gets all the steps, or run 6 on a day and get 90-95% of people turning up credit for everything, and 5-10% of people credit for most of it.

Also if someone goes LD, move to the next step anyway. People who LD can catch up and meet us there (at least for all the ones you can travel to aggro free). That way we stop once for LD's before a step, not 3/4 times as we crawl towards it.

2) There were plenty of times we simply stood about for no reason. People are comparing the times to Alb/excal raids and the times they take and trying to work out why we couldn't meet the same times, normally blaming it on LD's. Alb's don't have less LD's, in fact i'd say the number of LD's seen yesterday was about 1/3 the number i'd expect on an average excal raid! The difference was simple, 5 minutes after killing a mob we were worrying about who we should stick to in order to move to the next one. On excal we would be standing at the next mob starting to attack it at this time.
Once a mob is dead, turn round and run to the next one. The zerg (if not completely afk, in which case leave them) will follow you. There were times where you said moving in the /bg. I'd go for a piss get a drink, come back and we would be stood in the same place, i'd estimate we wasted over an hour, maybe 2, simply stood about for no reason.

3) At times the attempt to control the /bg was slightly over the top. Most people there I think had done several ML raids before and knew where they were going. If half the /bg has run off to the next step that means that you were too slow at moving (see point 2). But if this was the case, don't stand still until they all run back to you, then set off, simply catch them up. We wasted 5 minutes standing around, we then wasted another 5 waiting for people to come back so we could set off for a second time. I think on top of the pyramid was a good example. Although I understand that people were getting tired/bored by this point, which is what lead to some of the rash comments in the /bg, if your going to run a 10 hour raid, you can't expect people to follow your every order, run in exact formation for the entire event.
Save the ranting for when it actually matters. 80% of steps can be completed by an uncoordinated mob of 100 people not listening and zerging anything they see. Let them do this, that way when you actually tell them to do something for the 20% of the raid that it actually matters on (moirai for example) they might actually listen. Getting the /bg to form up in formation archers at the back, tanks at the front to gank a red con means that when you get to somewhere where it's important, people go sod it can't be arsed with this.

I'll reiterate what I said before however. I believe it was your first attempt to run an event like this and it was a good first go. Mistakes were made, i'd of been surprised if you hadn't made a few on the first attempt, but the fact you made this post shows that your willing to listen to opinions and to try to improve future versions of the raid. I'm sure this fact alone will mean that the next one run will be successful!

 

[Ovron]

You'd also want to avoid choosing complete muppets as co-leaders. A good example was on top of the ML4 pyramid where a co-leader wanted a person kicked from the BG because he apparently was standing too close to the portal we were about to enter (??!!?). Choose your co-leaders with care, and try not to get someone who, when given a little authority, either abuse it or turn 007 on everyone.

Awww, hurt your feelings did I? Surely didn't want to make you sad.

/Ovron

p.s. You will listen to the raidleaders to an extent - I asked you step down from the pit, ffs grow up and move 2 inches.

 

[Ayana]

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p.s. You will listen to the raidleaders to an extent - I asked you step down from the pit, ffs grow up and move 2 inches.

Was waiting for your reply, and no you didn't hurt my feelings, you only proved that you're incompetent as a (co-)leader. The point was it made absolutely no difference whether he was standing on the tiles near the portal or the 200 units further away where you wanted him. NO difference, and still you (ab)used the power you were given as a co-leader to try and get the person removed from the BG. In my book that does not equal a good leader, but a person on a powertrip enforcing unnecessary rules only to further delay the raid and add to the frustration.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Was waiting for your reply, and no you didn't hurt my feelings, you only proved that you're incompetent as a (co-)leader. The point was it made absolutely no difference whether he was standing on the tiles near the portal or the 200 units further away where you wanted him. NO difference, and still you (ab)used the power you were given as a co-leader to try and get the person removed from the BG. In my book that does not equal a good leader, but a person on a powertrip enforcing unnecessary rules only to further delay the raid and add to the frustration.

Grow up

 

[Ovron]

Was waiting for your reply, and no you didn't hurt my feelings, you only proved that you're incompetent as a (co-)leader. The point was it made absolutely no difference whether he was standing on the tiles near the portal or the 200 units further away where you wanted him. NO difference, and still you (ab)used the power you were given as a co-leader to try and get the person removed from the BG. In my book that does not equal a good leader, but a person on a powertrip enforcing unnecessary rules only to further delay the raid and add to the frustration.

In my book that equals to a person that doesn't follow instructions very well. In the beginning you were asked to step down from the pit. It was a neutral instruction, and contained the persons names that were too close. So stop the 'omg he is so abusive11!1 bad leader, letz rantz0r at him!!one!!11'.

It was a long day, and when we hit ML4, a few hours had already passed. When arranging something like this, which Vavires did, takes serious nerves to do. He appointed me co-leader to fill in any minor details he could have missed.

Now, before you go calling me a bad leader - think WHY you acted like you did, and just simply didnt move away. It was a long raid - and you should give the leaders enough respect to atleast follow what they say. If you do not intend on following, then by all means, you do not have to join the raids.

We don't have room for people like you on mid/pryd.

/Ovron

 

[Ayana]

I don't know why you think I was the person - i'm not. But that's really besides the point. The point is you enforced unnecessary rules, and when questioned no answer was given except the attempt to get the person removed from BG. Yes it was a long day, which does not only apply to the leaders. The day was just as long for every single person who attendend the raid, and frustration was high around the time on the ML4 pyramid with ML8 already cancelled, ML6 almost went down the drain, and the "gem" group got wiped. As a leader you should be flexible and see it from attending players point of view. No information was given except the group had died, we stood waiting around for a long time (ages) with little/no knowledge about what was going on. Still you were busy trying to get a person to move 200 units. Clearly you have your priorities in order.

And telling me to "grow up", "try and run raids yourself!!1" etc. I ran most of the first ML raids ever on Mid/Pryd back when I was in Everlast, and I have since run several raids on both Prydwen and Excalibur, so trust me I know what's involved.

We don't have room for people like you on mid/pryd.

No, cause clearly there are much more qualified leaders - like yourself - around now. Trust me, I am re-evaluating the decision to come back.

</rant>

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

I would want to reply, but I am afraid I would just fall into repetition...

 

[Ovron]

I don't know why you think I was the person - i'm not. But that's really besides the point. The point is you enforced unnecessary rules, and when questioned no answer was given except the attempt to get the person removed from BG. Yes it was a long day, which does not only apply to the leaders. The day was just as long for every single person who attendend the raid, and frustration was high around the time on the ML4 pyramid with ML8 already cancelled, ML6 almost went down the drain, and the "gem" group got wiped. As a leader you should be flexible and see it from attending players point of view. No information was given except the group had died, we stood waiting around for a long time (ages) with little/no knowledge about what was going on. Still you were busy trying to get a person to move 200 units. Clearly you have your priorities in order.

And telling me to "grow up", "try and run raids yourself!!1" etc. I ran most of the first ML raids ever on Mid/Pryd back when I was in Everlast, and I have since run several raids on both Prydwen and Excalibur, so trust me I know what's involved.


No, cause clearly there are much more qualified leaders - like yourself - around now. Trust me, I am re-evaluating the decision to come back.

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We sure do have more qualified people - bye bye


/Ovron - the abusive raidleader

 

[Golena]

We sure do have more qualified people - bye bye


/Ovron - the abusive raidleader

Unfortunately from your comments, both here and during the raid... It doesn't appear this person is you. Sorry.

Ingafgrinn Macabre - Telling someone who has made a valid point (that someone standing 2ft from the "desired location" should not be more important to a raid leader than why the zerg has been standing around, uninformed about what's happening for over 40 mins) to "grow up", simply shows that you have no sensible comeback to the comments. Posting is only making you look foolish.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Unfortunately from your comments, both here and during the raid... It doesn't appear this person is you. Sorry.

Ingafgrinn Macabre - Telling someone who has made a valid point (that someone standing 2ft from the "desired location" should not be more important to a raid leader than why the zerg has been standing around, uninformed about what's happening for over 40 mins) to "grow up", simply shows that you have no sensible comeback to the comments. Posting is only making you look foolish.

In my opinion that was not a valid point. If you attend a FFA raid, and everybody did just what they wanted to do, everything goes tits up. It doesn't matter what the subject is.. if it's 200 units of distance or not. when asked to move, you move. it's as simple as that. It's not the fact that it was or was not valid, but the fact that the arguing is excruciating when trying to lead a raid demanding the attention like the sort of this. Therefor when asked to do something, you just plainly do it. No arguing involved. And especially not like Mad did, just keep standing there to tick the leader off. Like I said before, if I was in the position of ovron... those persons would've gotten one warning, and one only, and would've been removed from the BG from that point on.

 

[Golena]

In my opinion that was not a valid point. If you attend a FFA raid, and everybody did just what they wanted to do, everything goes tits up. It doesn't matter what the subject is.. if it's 200 units of distance or not. when asked to move, you move. it's as simple as that. It's not the fact that it was or was not valid, but the fact that the arguing is excruciating when trying to lead a raid demanding the attention like the sort of this. Therefor when asked to do something, you just plainly do it. No arguing involved. And especially not like Mad did, just keep standing there to tick the leader off. Like I said before, if I was in the position of ovron... those persons would've gotten one warning, and one only, and would've been removed from the BG from that point on.

I think the issue here is that people are human, 40 minutes is a long time to stand around with no information about what's going on. While I agree that people should follow the instructions in the /bg, I'd also agree that expecting people to follow instructions to the letter for 15 hours straight is simply not feasable. If I ran an ML raid and asked everyone to remove all their items, /dance 4 times, then put them back on, would I without expecting to be flamed be able to kick anyone not doing this 30 secs later from the /bg? I made a point earlier that maybe one issue was the over controlling nature of the raid, and that many times instructions were given that simply wern't neccessary. If you take 5 minutes making sure everyone is doing exactly the right thing and stuck to the right person every time you arrive at a mob, people stop paying attention.
While people should do what's said, the raid leaders should try to take the same responsability and only ask people to do what's necessary. If you order people to move somewhere for no reason, then when there is a reason, no one pays attention again. When leading a raid you have to remember there's 90 people sat infront of their machines for an hour, and while you may be busy organising/discussing stuff in the leaders /cg etc. they are basically sat on their ass. In order to keep control of a zerg, you have to stop them getting bored. Bored people, there were plenty of them on top of the pyramid after 30 mins, do stupid stuff. The correct way to deal with this isn't by giving orders that make no difference.

Yes people that don't follow orders should be kicked! But don't give orders just for the sake of giving orders. Also if your going to kick someone, just kick them, don't have a leaders discussion about it in the /bg. That's just going to lead to arguments.

I'll repeat what I said earlier tho, while there was certainly room for improvent, the raid was on the whole well run. One important thing to say however is that as a raid leader you have to be prepared to accept criticism and learn from it. While there is muppets out there that act like idiots, your going to find these social retards on every public raid you hold, instead of just ranting at them, kicking them from the /bg and moving on. Look at the situation that caused muppet braindead to do that in the first place and try to work out how to stop him on the next raid. In this case a 40 min wait with no info was the reason for several bg muppets started not following orders. Avoid the 40 min wait next raid, or at least give people some info on what the delay is, and you'll probably not have to threaten to kick anyone at all for the same behaviour.

That said, upon reflection, the person making the original point could of done it in a less 4 year old manner

 

[Etinay]

I actually had fun!

Big thanks to BOTH the leaders, Vavi and Ovvy

Ofc there will be whine, ofc ppl will get tired of waiting, but in the long run, you attend a raid someone else is holding, u simply follow the instructions they give, and listen to what they say, or atleast thats what i thought was normal But ofc, if you had been there from the start, i can perfectly understand you would get tired of waiting for LD's and so on, but it happens, nothing to do with it, let the raid leader decide what to do about it. For my self I enjoyed it, i like ml's and i actually dont waste energy on getting upset or angry cause of other ppl going LD or having to wait cause of something, instead i talk in /gu /g or just do something else (but thats me)

Once again, thank you for doing this Vavi and Ovvy, pls do it again!

Edit: Would also thank all who attended! You did all a very good job

 

[mercury]

Hey Ovvy, this'll make you laugh (or cry). From an A Level Gov and Pol Paper (not one I took )

"An elected leader is always incompetent to a greater or lesser degree. For a Dictator, however - except for the ability to remain in power - competence is neither necessary nor sufficient" (Karl Popper)
How far do you think events of the Late Roman Empire bear out Popper's contention?

..wish I knew...

 

[vavires]

First point: Since i was Raid leader i asked why the person in question had to me removed, i asked it if he was sure because i know were all under stress at that point and were bussy a long time. He was my co-leader so u all needed to listen to what he and i say. Thats just the way it goes on raids.

Second: Telling Ovrong to host raids wont get u far, he has done plenty of raids and hes imho a betetr RL than myself. If u didnt like his leadership take it up with me, since i picked him.

Third: With a raid of 120 ppl u cant make every1 happy, ive learned some things i will adjust on future big scaled raids like this. But in the end every1 should be happy, u got 5 ml's on 1 day instead of the usual 5 weeks. in 2 weeks ure all got ml8 done.

Go out with parents, gf, wife , kids... whatever u prefer and enjoy the good weather.

Have a nice sunday,

greets vav

 

[Donjuann]

Thanx Vavi

And the others who led the raid. I couldn't take any more MLs or LDs (not mine - other peoples!!) so I left after ML4. Took a lot of effort to do it - so can imagine what it was like to run it.

As far as improvements - be harsher on LDs and afks - they dragged it out - and when you say you will wait 30 seconds then do it, don't stay there for 5mins.

I agree with the comment about moving asap to the next encounter - but everyone was just getting tired by ML4, and it was frustrating for EVERYONE (RLs included) that there was the wait. This was my first ML marathon - just need ML xp and to go back and do ML3 bits that I haven't got now.

A big thanx for the effort of all the RLs and all those who stuck it out. Big /salute to those who had the stamina to make it through ML6 - better people than me!

 

[Durgi]

May I make a recommendation for breaking up the stress and allowing yourself to manage multiple ml's in one day. Break it down a bit possibly into the following or something similiar.

Organise the raid into BG encounters only give plenty of notice, and make it clear that group/solo stages WILL needed to be completed in advance. Guilds and friends should have plenty of time to complete said stages. For the sake of the raid leaders as well it'll make life simple as you can plan to do the bg stages per zone. For the ML restricted area's such as ML5 dungeon (old age and to much beer made me forget its name ) obviously you need to complete ML1 to get in and the majority of ml5 is group stages, it can be broken up on a large raid reasonably easy though. And the egg farming in ml3 can be a pain, but the solely bg steps will make life easier. Once you've gone through the final mobs, it won't take long to farm mlxp to complete levels then move onto the next lvl. If the raid leaders prepared he'll have spent the time before hand collecting all material components. think when i left i had vaults full of ml quest items, blood gems, ml2 shields staff sword etc, ml4 runestones for the croc heads. If you can get them all together it'll make life easier. You'll also find once words out that your running such raids donation of said component show up.

We ran regulary raids like this on US servers when we'd get 10-15 fg show up on raid day. Work best with raids up too ml6. ML7 group stages/factions are annoying in the extreme but manageable again if people have plenty of notice of ML7-10 day. ML8 group stages can get tough to complete in advance but it's bareable from a leaders point of view if a few groups are missing them. Again collecting the centaur heads etc can be done easily if the leaders are prepared in advance. Talos dies so much easier with 120 people hitting him and not the 50 odd total including support we had on Prydwen when Belor and I ran the first series of raids.

It's alot more prepartory work by the leaders part, and people have to be more willing to prepare the group/solo stages before hand but it's a more effecient way of doing it. Hope it helps.

D.

 

[Golena]

May I make a recommendation for breaking up the stress and allowing yourself to manage multiple ml's in one day. Break it down a bit possibly into the following or something similiar.

Organise the raid into BG encounters only give plenty of notice, and make it clear that group/solo stages WILL needed to be completed in advance.

Only the BG stages were done on the day, all group steps were pre-requirements. I'm guessing you didn't actually attend the days ML's which is why you might not of realised this.... Or did I misunderstand?

 

[Durgi]

Nope wasn't there. Don't even play anymore, was told group stages were done. Then 13 hours to do purely bg steps and ml xp is tough scheduling. But as stated in previous posts it was his first time.

D.

 

[Overdriven]

Dude,

Having run a few ml raids from time to time over the years. hat's off to your for running such raids. think all who attended should offer there thanks for the time, an undoubted stress you took during the day. congratz on pulling it off large scale raids are very difficult to arrange. I still have nightmares of the day Myself and Belorfyn organised the first large ML1 raid after tao release.. /bg who 212 matches.. 9 hours later we got well over 100 people through every step ml1 group, solo, and bg.. and trust me trying to organise 20+ groups through various stages of ML1 is a logistical nightmare

anyways hats off to you V job well done.

D.

I totally, 100% agree.


Remember when you asked me to lead the zerg through ML2 on Overbuffed? And I got lost..