Chris Benoit and family found dead!

[old.Tohtori]

Actually the two sides seems to be:

One side that dont care what been said so far and lives in a hope that Benoit is innocent.
Other side which goes by what have been said so far.

That's again in the mind of the opinion holder.

Ofcourse to those who think he's 100% guilty no doubt, others seem like "no he didn't do it no waiii!!". When it's not right.

To those who think they want to hear all the stuff before judging, while holding the respect the man once had, others seem like "No he did it there's nothing more!!!" When it's not right.

 

[Golena]

Many of the war veterans we stand up and praise every year as being great hero's also killed people pretty much in cold blood in their time.

I'm in no way saying that you can defend what he did.. but the number of people leaping into this thread saying "I know no facts other than 3 lines that someone's written, who also has no clue what happened, so that means the guy's a pathetic human" is scary.

Maybe he is an evil twat. But the fact is you have ZERO facts to base that opinion off. Suspicion that he might of killed his wife (although there's currently no motive) is no reason to slate a dead man who hasn't yet been proven guilty.

 

[Thadius]

Many of the war veterans we stand up and praise every year as being great hero's also killed people pretty much in cold blood in their time.

True.

 

[Overdriven]

True.

Difference is, they're paid to kill people. Therefore it's totally OKAY for them to do it. When Benoit does it, people call him 'scum'. Atleast he did it (The whole bible thing) after thinking about it.

Yay.

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To those who think they want to hear all the stuff before judging, while holding the respect the man once had, others seem like "No he did it there's nothing more!!!" When it's not right.

Thank you.

 

[megadave]

read in the paper today something about wikipedia being updated saying his wife was found dead before even the police knew. ooer


edit: from wikipedia

News of Nancy Benoit's death was inexplicably posted on Wikipedia 14 hours before the police discovered the bodies. This was initially reported on Wikinews and later on FOXNews.com. The original posting read: “Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” The phrase "stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" was added to the English Wikipedia's "Chris Benoit" article at 12:01 a.m. EDT on June 25,[103][104] whereas the Fayette County police reportedly discovered the bodies of the Benoit family at 2:30 p.m. EDT (14 hours, 29 minutes later). The IP address of the editor was traced to Stamford, Connecticut, which is also the location of WWE headquarters.[105] After news of the early death notice reached mainstream media, the anonymous poster accessed Wikinews to explain his seemingly prescient comments as a "huge coincidence and nothing more".[106] Police have since "seized computer equipment from the person responsible for the postings," and have called the confession an "unbelievable hindrance." It's also reported that "if the person had knowledge of the death before police discovered the body, he or she could face criminal charges." [107]

 

[Solo]

read in the paper today something about wikipedia being updated saying his wife was found dead before even the police knew. ooer


edit: from wikipedia

tbh i think we knew before the police knew it was only on 1 website and wikipedia at the time.

 

[evzy]

To all those giving it the "I will wait til the truth comes out etc bollocks" I can clarify for you right now, he hung himself, he killed his wife and child. Those are the only facts you need. Anythign else is irrelavant, so get over the fact that someone you used to idolise because he was a fake wrestler on a bullshit program that pushes its idols to use steroids and has even been alleged to supply them, has now gone fucking schizo and murdered his family, whether he did it in a fit of rage or calm as the breeze, it dont matter, there are people out there now who will never get to spend another second with their loved ones because of Chris "I am/was a dirty scumbag who eventually went as far as killing two innocent people and then taking the cowards way out myself" Benoit. Personally, I hope they cremate him and flush his ashes down a shitty toilet that looks like it came straight outta Trainspotting.

Get a grip, nothing is gonna change the cold hard facts of 3 dead bodies, 2 innocents and no conspiracy.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

To all those giving it the "I will wait til the truth comes out etc bollocks" I can clarify for you right now, he hung himself, he killed his wife and child. Those are the only facts you need. Anythign else is irrelavant, so get over the fact that someone you used to idolise because he was a fake wrestler on a bullshit program that pushes its idols to use steroids and has even been alleged to supply them, has now gone fucking schizo and murdered his family, whether he did it in a fit of rage or calm as the breeze, it dont matter, there are people out there now who will never get to spend another second with their loved ones because of Chris "I am/was a dirty scumbag who eventually went as far as killing two innocent people and then taking the cowards way out myself" Benoit. Personally, I hope they cremate him and flush his ashes down a shitty toilet that looks like it came straight outta Trainspotting.

Get a grip, nothing is gonna change the cold hard facts of 3 dead bodies, 2 innocents and no conspiracy.

First of all.... Whatever happened to innocent untill proven otherwise?
It wouldn't be the first time something happened that seemed at first to be a clear cut case, and which turned out to be otherwise.

Second of all, You have no internal knowledge of the case or the circumstances, so you know fuck all to begin with. All you know comes from sensationalist press reports.

To be honest, I never watch wrestling, never heard the bloke's name before this news came up here on freddy's, and wouldn't sleep a minute less if he actually was found guilty, but your jumping to conclusions is the reason why innocent people get ostracized from the community and can't live a decent life after they've been found innocent, but condemned by sensational press and buggers like you that believe every word written.

Maybe he's guilty, but maybe something happened in the house when he was gone, and he came home finding his family dead, couldn't cope and hung himself. Doubty, but you'll never know.

 

[Mey]

Many of the war veterans we stand up and praise every year as being great hero's also killed people pretty much in cold blood in their time.

I'm in no way saying that you can defend what he did.. but the number of people leaping into this thread saying "I know no facts other than 3 lines that someone's written, who also has no clue what happened, so that means the guy's a pathetic human" is scarey.

Fuck off, the War Veterans we praise every year did what they had to do, they killed because they had to, there was no choice for them. Benoit had a choice, he chose the wrong one.

I find it rather insulting that you'd even infer that the war veterans are no-more than scum. You should be ashamed.

 

[gohan]

Who gives a fuck wrestleing is fake an full of roided up losers, its not even a real sport so why defend him, i bet none of u defended michael jackson (who i think was innocent, just very fucked up in the head) an he's a bigger star,

at the end of the day the police wouldnt publish it if they didnt have hard evidance and facts

the guy is scum, an hes an ugly fucker too!!!

 

[Jeremiah]

As much as its hard to say, if its found he was 100% responsible (which it looks like) then we have to assume he was under some severe depression or suffering from a horrific mental condition to pull all this off. The text messages he sent people before they found him kinda hint at him being ill, and if thats true, he cant be treated as if he was of sound mind when he did it.

 

[Marc]

Jesus CHrist, ive heard it all now. War Veterans being compared to some junkie wrestler.

 

[soze]

Bloddy Hell while he could be called a scumbag for killing his family stop lapping up everything the American press tells you and calling him a roided up scam bag. There were NO illegal steroids in the house the kind that cause roid rage. Fact Police said so. His last drug test 2 months ago he was not using any. Fact. The killings show no sign of having anything to do with roid rage. Which would show them both brutally killed. Not bound and sufocated with bibles beside there body. Again the police have made this clear.

People keep blaiming this on Steroids will get companys like WWE K1 UFC ect alot more attention than they want on drug testing. Call him a scumbag all you want but read the facts about the steroids please.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Have to agree that, while war veterans are hardly useful(to anyone else like red cross who grab your money with the premise of war veterans), their hardly the same as murderers around.

In the christian gods eyes though, they are.

But that's neighter here nor there.

Things about this incident, facts if you will, from my view:

Wife was bound(suspicious and odd, makes me think he found his wife atleast dead on the scene)
No roids involved(interesting since it would've explained the outrage of killing them, now it's just more uncharasteristic)
The wikipedia entry pre-death(who the f*ck?)
Possible he killed them, possible there's more.

That's it.

 

[evzy]

I dont claim to have inside knowledge but from the facts that have been released its obvious he killed them then himself, I will take any bet with anyone over that - the thing that pisses me off now is already its starting...and here...and no doubt on many other pages..

FUCKING CONSPIRACY !!! BENOIT FOUND THEM DEAD AND TOOK HIS OWN LIFE IN A FIT OF DESPAIR !!

Or theories that subscribe to some bullshit idea that because someone is famous it couldnt possibly have been them, oh no..

9/11 - Terrorists not the US Govt.

Benoit - Murderer - not a victim.

I hope that clears up those 2 points for some of you.

 

[Mey]

If you killed yourself in a fit of despair i doubt you'd hang yourself. Far easier / quicker / "nicer" deaths.

 

[Golena]

Fuck off, the War Veterans we praise every year did what they had to do, they killed because they had to, there was no choice for them. Benoit had a choice, he chose the wrong one.

I find it rather insulting that you'd even infer that the war veterans are no-more than scum. You should be ashamed.

Why should I be ashamed because you completely missed the point.

Do I think war veterans are scum? Of course not.
You say they killed because they had to.. I think you'll find that's not actually the case for 100% of the killings that occured throughout the war. If you believe it is your a fool. Many of them probably at times did have a choice and chose the wrong one. Does that mean we should convict them all as murders with no clue what happened? no it doesn't and many of them certainly hero's.

The people who should be ashamed are those including you who feel that they have the right to call a potentially innocent man scum. Do you know what happened, of course you don't.

Why should a "wrestler" be given any less opportunity to the right to innocence than a war veteran. Last time I checked they were both human. In both cases you have no idea what actually happened, yet one is a hero and the other is scum.

I guess if 2 people are found dead near 2 knives in a basement one being a rugby player and one being a charity worker then the rugby player must be scum for murdering the charity worker. After all, rugby players are drunk violent trouble makers while charity workers are great people, right Marc. If it was put forward as a theory in the sun i'm sure you'd be leaping to exactly the same conclusion yeah? Or would it be different if it was someone you respected that was being accused. Yes that's accused not proven guilty.

 

[Mey]

I don't respect Muppet's, so no it wouldn't be the same case.

I think it's pretty obvious what has happened and your blind if you cannot see it. If someone had murdered his family, as all the fanbois want to believe, then why didn't he phone the police, ambulance service etc.. Rather than sitting around his house for apparently two days (or something similar).

Either way he is a coward in both cases.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

I dont claim to have inside knowledge but from the facts that have been released its obvious he killed them then himself, I will take any bet with anyone over that - the thing that pisses me off now is already its starting...and here...and no doubt on many other pages..

FUCKING CONSPIRACY !!! BENOIT FOUND THEM DEAD AND TOOK HIS OWN LIFE IN A FIT OF DESPAIR !!

Or theories that subscribe to some bullshit idea that because someone is famous it couldnt possibly have been them, oh no..

9/11 - Terrorists not the US Govt.

Benoit - Murderer - not a victim.

I hope that clears up those 2 points for some of you.

You just gave the perfect reason why civilian jury trials don't work.
The man may be a suspect, but untill all the evidence has been viewed and tested, and the judge has called, the bloke is still innocent.

 

[Golena]

I don't respect Muppet's, so no it wouldn't be the same case.

I think it's pretty obvious what has happened and your blind if you cannot see it.

Yet you respect war veterans? Many of which you've probably never met, heard speak, or even seen?
How have you decided that whese people arn't muppets?

The only proof you have that he murdered anyone is that it makes for a better headline and sells more newspapers. All we are doing at the moment is proving why Jury's are generally not allowed access to the press coverage of trials they are sitting on, mainly because people can be picked that are as sheep like as some of you lot.
Why people have jobs as detectives is beyond me.. They should just post the name of someone that's been murdered here and the resident FH population will be able to tell them exactly what happened without any chance of being wrong.
If he did it why did he murder his wife one day, wait till the next day to murder his kid, then wait a further day to commit suicide. That kind of question is irrelevant of course, the fact he didn't call the police, that's cold hard evidence it was him!!

 

[Golena]

I dont claim to have inside knowledge but from the facts that have been released its obvious he killed them then himself

Box of nails found in Evzy's house..

It was obvious he was assembling a bomb for use in terrorist activities.. Lock him up and throw away the key!

1+1=2

 

[old.Tohtori]

FUCKING CONSPIRACY !!!

Don't take this the wrong way, i know your stand on this, but that's just the point.

It's no conspiracy theory, we're just on different sides of the matter.

You think he did it(won't take no for an answer), i think he might/might not have done it.

What i don't understand is why the "he did it" side is so awfully offensive towards the people who arn't on the same "scumbag" side.

 

[Bahumat]

So did he do the crippler crossface or not?

 

[evzy]

Don't take this the wrong way, i know your stand on this, but that's just the point.

It's no conspiracy theory, we're just on different sides of the matter.

You think he did it(won't take no for an answer), i think he might/might not have done it.

What i don't understand is why the "he did it" side is so awfully offensive towards the people who arn't on the same "scumbag" side.

Its not I am trying to be offensive to those who "are on the other side" but maybe I find it offensive that people cannot understand sometimes things are black and white, sometimes people do go off the deep end etc - it just pisses me off to see people (granted not so much on this forum) trying to defend Benoit as a great person who did loads for charity etc and refuse to believe he could have done it - not being funny but how many of them even met the dick...other than maybe a handshake at an event etc not fucking one of them ever shared a beer with him etc - same with Wacko Jacko - why the fuck was that Seany dude on Big Brother proud that he had been outside the court Wacko was in - Jacko wouldnt piss on his fans if they were on fire, nor would most 1/2 brained stars, at least they wouldnt piss on the weirdo fans who dress like em, stalk em, and hang around outside court just to get a glimpse of them - I just dont get the whole "Celebrity" thing I guess - dudes are just flesh n blood like me, dudes can fuck up - unlike me, dudes can go batshit and kill people at the drop of a hat - no comment.

Basically I just dont get how any could think he was innocent noting everything that has been said / released without being a stalker'esque kinda fan who sat at home crying when they found out he was dead - he wasnt your dad, your brother or a RL friend - just some dude on the TV who flipped and butchered his family (if you believe that like I do)...So why the bullshit fake remorse for someone none of you actually know....

Shit pissed me off when Diana died and every TV channel had shit about how wonderful she was all day - I fucking doubt that will happen when anyone I know or care for passes - yet in my mind they will have done more for me and my family n friends than Diana ever did, yet people who were never in her presence nor had lives directly affected by her, cried and left flowers etc - hypocrites imo.




Oh and someone give my fucking box of nails back before I get really pissed.

 

[evzy]

You just gave the perfect reason why civilian jury trials don't work.
The man may be a suspect, but untill all the evidence has been viewed and tested, and the judge has called, the bloke is still innocent.

Sometimes if its brown and smells of shit and is stuck to the bottom of your shoe... You trod in shit. Trials with jury = good, however IQ tests might be somewhere to start regarding jury selection.

 

[DocWolfe]

Was in The Sun today that he used the crippler crossface to kill his kid.

 

[Thadius]

So did he do the crippler crossface or not?

Yep, on his kid anyway

 

[Overdriven]

Yep, on his kid anyway

Either that's a joke (a fucked up one) or that's just generally fucked up.

 

[Succi]

can somebody summarize this thread please ? 14 pages is abit too much

 

[Bugz]

Its not I am trying to be offensive to those who "are on the other side" but maybe I find it offensive that people cannot understand sometimes things are black and white, sometimes people do go off the deep end etc - it just pisses me off to see people (granted not so much on this forum) trying to defend Benoit as a great person who did loads for charity etc and refuse to believe he could have done it - not being funny but how many of them even met the dick...other than maybe a handshake at an event etc not fucking one of them ever shared a beer with him etc - same with Wacko Jacko - why the fuck was that Seany dude on Big Brother proud that he had been outside the court Wacko was in - Jacko wouldnt piss on his fans if they were on fire, nor would most 1/2 brained stars, at least they wouldnt piss on the weirdo fans who dress like em, stalk em, and hang around outside court just to get a glimpse of them - I just dont get the whole "Celebrity" thing I guess - dudes are just flesh n blood like me, dudes can fuck up - unlike me, dudes can go batshit and kill people at the drop of a hat - no comment.

Basically I just dont get how any could think he was innocent noting everything that has been said / released without being a stalker'esque kinda fan who sat at home crying when they found out he was dead - he wasnt your dad, your brother or a RL friend - just some dude on the TV who flipped and butchered his family (if you believe that like I do)...So why the bullshit fake remorse for someone none of you actually know....

Shit pissed me off when Diana died and every TV channel had shit about how wonderful she was all day - I fucking doubt that will happen when anyone I know or care for passes - yet in my mind they will have done more for me and my family n friends than Diana ever did, yet people who were never in her presence nor had lives directly affected by her, cried and left flowers etc - hypocrites imo.




Oh and someone give my fucking box of nails back before I get really pissed.

Tbh - Diana did so much it probably had a chain reaction in affecting so many.

I feel sorry for you as it seems your emotions and beliefs only extend out to the reaches of your family - I'd hate to be like that personally.