Chinese gaming restrictions

[nath]

It's a movie that reflects very real issues. It wouldn't be such a great film if you couldn't relate to the subject matter.

 

[Calaen]

It's a movie that reflects very real issues. It wouldn't be such a great film if you couldn't relate to the subject matter.

Yes but I wouldnt be happy with them really killing people either just to make a living, otherwise I would not be able to complain at the scumbags who cant afford to live and steal and rob sometimes kill for money.

 

[DaGaffer]

oh yes I do however it is a movie/tv show not real life. It just seems that whatever the government do people moan jesus we voted them in, yes we are entitled to moan if they do something that we disagree with but let up sometimes. its the same shit everytime.

Baaaaaa. Ignorance and apathy in one package.

 

[Ch3tan]

Cal if we all lived by your philosophy we wouldnt be living in any kind of democracy. Governments are only as powerful as people let them be. Move to China, it sounds like your kind of place.

 

[Calaen]

No I like playing hours after hours of video games when I want You cant have a different opinion on here without people getting on your back. I am one of millions on this world I choose not to moan and moan and moan.

Yet I am the weird one who should move. If your all unhappy with the government you can move to a different country.

 

[DaGaffer]

No I like playing hours after hours of video games when I want You cant have a different opinion on here without people getting on your back. I am one of millions on this world I choose not to moan and moan and moan.

Yet I am the weird one who should move. If your all unhappy with the government you can move to a different country.

OK, in the spirit of reasoned debate; where is your line? At what point would you say "oh no, that's none of the Government's business?" I'd genuinely like to know.

 

[Calaen]

Well looking back at Tom's over the top police coming into my house every week for something. This would be over the line however were I a career criminal/terrorist I could hardly have a problem with it. But as I go about my business during my day to day living, there is no reason for the imaginary police to come and invade my home.

I am not saying that there is nothing wrong with the way the country is run, but non of the parties are capable because all they think about is fucking the other party off and not giving the public what the need anyway.

 

[Bodhi]

Calaen don't go to Wales.....ever. You will get buggered.

 

[DaGaffer]

Well looking back at Tom's over the top police coming into my house every week for something. This would be over the line however were I a career criminal/terrorist I could hardly have a problem with it. But as I go about my business during my day to day living, there is no reason for the imaginary police to come and invade my home.

I am not saying that there is nothing wrong with the way the country is run, but non of the parties are capable because all they think about is fucking the other party off and not giving the public what the need anyway.

But that's the point. Don't you see? If you give the government (any government) the tools to oppress you, eventually they'll do so. You say right now "I'm a law-abiding citizen, I've got nothing to hide and nothing to fear", but when you have a government that is creating tools for oppression (albeit in a half-arsed, incompetent way) and feels that no area of public or private life is outside of their remit, then its only a matter of time before they find something that does affect you.

Think of it this way, in the last nine years, hundreds of thousands of people have been criminalised; while you may not care, because it doesn't affect you personally, the car example that Tom always bangs on about is a good one; car use has gone up 700% since 1951, but prosecutions against motorists have gone up 25000%, most of that jump in the last six years. How does that make any sense? Did we all turn into road-rage nutcases overnight? Of course not.

Another example; I don't personally care about fox hunting, but suddenly thousands of people have been criminalised. You can now be fined in some areas for putting the wrong rubbish in the wrong recycling bag, councils (not the police, but council officials) can fine you like this; there was no law brought in, there was just a 'regulation'. Things like this happen all the time, and while its easy to say 'vote them out' in the case of local government, the things they do aren't part of any kind of manifesto commitment, and even if people are outraged and vote the council out, its very rare that a subsequent council will get rid of regulations that make them money.

This is why people get so upset with you when you show no interest in what's going on in this country. You're displaying the same attitude as most people people, which is that we are subject to their laws, and that's OK. Well it's not! They are supposed to be our servants and subject to our democratic will, but if the majority of people show the same apathy that you do, its not surprising that the government thinks it has a right to rule, rather than serve.

 

[Jupitus]

Give 'em an inch, they'll take a foot.... much more than that and you haven't got a leg to stand on......

 

[Calaen]

Think of it this way, in the last nine years, hundreds of thousands of people have been criminalised; while you may not care, because it doesn't affect you personally, the car example that Tom always bangs on about is a good one; car use has gone up 700% since 1951, but prosecutions against motorists have gone up 25000%, most of that jump in the last six years. How does that make any sense? Did we all turn into road-rage nutcases overnight? Of course not.

Another example; I don't personally care about fox hunting, but suddenly thousands of people have been criminalised. You can now be fined in some areas for putting the wrong rubbish in the wrong recycling bag, councils (not the police, but council officials) can fine you like this; there was no law brought in, there was just a 'regulation'. Things like this happen all the time, and while its easy to say 'vote them out' in the case of local government, the things they do aren't part of any kind of manifesto commitment, and even if people are outraged and vote the council out, its very rare that a subsequent council will get rid of regulations that make them money.

If the next one voted in isnt going to change it what can we do? I have more important things to spend my time on.

With regards to the motor vehicle thing Tom admits that he drives over the speed limit because he says he is in control, there is many more people out there that think exactly this that would cover the rise. The amount of 17 y/o's driving now with no regard for anything other than driving like cocks is unbelieveable but they do watch Top Gear and read Max Power so I guess that makes them professional drivers..

 

[inactionman]

oh yes I do however it is a movie/tv show not real life. It just seems that whatever the government do people moan jesus we voted them in, yes we are entitled to moan if they do something that we disagree with but let up sometimes. its the same shit everytime.

Wow, for someone who seems such a fan of firefly/serenity, you really missed the point behind it all! It's about self-determinism, being able to make decisions for yourself (right and wrong), not decisions being imposed on you by some outside body or government (in Serenity's case the Alliance). And that was the whole reason for the battle between the Independants and the Alliance.

There are some situations where government has to make these decisions to ensure a suitable common consensus, about things like murder, rape, the environment, etc. but there are some areas where they most definitely should not (people's private lives, how people think, ethics, etc.). The problem is that, as other people have stated, the current government is becoming a totalitarian one (and there's always been a tendancy in Labour governments to do this), believing it knows best, and is gradually removing our rights to make our own decisions.

Unfortunately this seems to be driven by a overwhelming desire by the general public (or as I'm starting to call them, sheeple) to not take any responsibility for themselves, and their families, to not question things and understand why things should or shouldn't be done, who want an easy time, and refuse to make any difficult decisions (hence the growing feeling that everyone else, or society, is responsible, not you). This leads to things like the current problem where schools/other kids/tv/horror movies/computer games/the internet/FOTM is responsible for my children's bad behaviour, not the fact that I'm not parenting them properly, etc..

Government should be a necessary evil in society, something we only tolerate because the alternative is far worse, it's something that should only have limited powers, and any expansion of these should be tightly controlled, and continually fought! But then I would say this, I'm a Libertarian, with anarchistic tendancies, and a great believer in self-determinism.

 

[`mongoose]

The way you lot are jumping on Calaen is fucking shameful.

I think the whole sheep argument was ill-advised and just destroyed any legitimacy of your other comments gaffer.

I disagree entirely with the summation that the country will be ruined in 5 years time, but no doubt we won't be here to post it because we'll all be locked up eh?

As regards criminilisation of some sectors of society, having seen the way most and by most I reckon 70% of drivers constantly break laws I'm not surprised they're being prosecuted.

We think of speed limits as guidelines rather than what they are. If you regularly stick to the speed limit and want to argue that, then fine - I'll hear you, otherwise whether you agree with it or not, you are breaking the law and deserve to be prosecuted if caught.

Where I will agree with motorists is speed cameras. They should be outside schools, on school routes and busy residential junctions. Where kids can get killed by people who are driving like twats. On busy a roads they're just revenue makers, and that's a fact, having said that, if nobody sped then they wouldn't make money and would disappear.

The congestion charge is shocking but again, I can understand why they charge it. I don't agree with it nor do I agree with the raise in toll roads accross the country. I'd be interested again to hear thoughts on how we can resolve the congestion and volume of traffic on our roads.

What we're seeing in Tom's posts so far have been certain incidents reported without the full conclusion. DNA taken without consent? I read that story in the BBC and as I recall it was a report of the successful suing of the police for assault and wrongful imprisonment. The legislation is (imo) in need of clarification but the police do need those powers to get to the insurgents that we have in this country. I think however, that the police shouldn't be above challenging in this, they should have to justify their use of the powers and when they've been wrong, they should apologise and take steps to ensure they don't repeat these mistakes.... How we solve that is another debate.

I can't recall calaen showing no interest in what's going on in the country but not giving certain aspects of it the same importance as you do. Personally there are lines I draw when it comes to how far I would like any government to be able to see into my personal life.

I argue with throd and trem all the time. I think their politics are disgraceful, but it doesn't mean I don't like them as people or think I should insult them for how they would like to see the country run. I'd hope other people would agree with me.

On the subject of China - it's no surprise, and it might actually help the economy of some mmo's, I suspect however, that people will just buy more accounts. I think if you sit playing mmo's all day you're always in danger of sacrificing parts of your life that you'll regret later, the trick is to know when to turn off or listen to those who love you when they say you're overdoing it.

I say this as an ex-daoc junky whose wife told him to cut back when he got too involved in it. I listened to her and I still play wow a fair bit when I feel like it. The difference now is that I know when and to type /quit


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[Ormorof]

If the next one voted in isnt going to change it what can we do? I have more important things to spend my time on.

With regards to the motor vehicle thing Tom admits that he drives over the speed limit because he says he is in control, there is many more people out there that think exactly this that would cover the rise. The amount of 17 y/o's driving now with no regard for anything other than driving like cocks is unbelieveable but they do watch Top Gear and read Max Power so I guess that makes them professional drivers..

you could vote for someone who could change things?

annoys me so much when i hear people say "they are all the same so might as well not vote"

if no one bloody votes of course its not going to change!

 

[DaGaffer]

If the next one voted in isnt going to change it what can we do? I have more important things to spend my time on.

With regards to the motor vehicle thing Tom admits that he drives over the speed limit because he says he is in control, there is many more people out there that think exactly this that would cover the rise. The amount of 17 y/o's driving now with no regard for anything other than driving like cocks is unbelieveable but they do watch Top Gear and read Max Power so I guess that makes them professional drivers..

Aaaaaagh! Miss the point by a fucking country mile why don't you? Its got nothing to do seventeen year olds driving like cocks; they always did, and because of declining birth rate, there are fewer of them now than ever before, but more people are being fined than ever, and road safety isn't improving! People are being fined because its easier to criminalise the law abiding majority than it is to clear up real crime, and it has a nice side effect that it makes money. But that's not the main point; driving is just one example of increased state control for no real benefit. Ever thought that if a law exists, but everyone ignores it, then maybe its a bad law? This is what I mean about your acceptance that somehow its their right to 'rule' you; it isn't.

As for the apathetic 'we can't change anything' attitude; yes we can. We've done it before (remember the poll tax? Well ID cards are far worse - a tax on free movement, with knobs on), and if the fucking French can get bad laws repealed, we should be able to as well. But we won't, because too many people think like you.

 

[Calaen]

Unfortunately this seems to be driven by a overwhelming desire by the general public (or as I'm starting to call them, sheeple) to not take any responsibility for themselves, and their families, to not question things and understand why things should or shouldn't be done, who want an easy time, and refuse to make any difficult decisions (hence the growing feeling that everyone else, or society, is responsible, not you). This leads to things like the current problem where schools/other kids/tv/horror movies/computer games/the internet/FOTM is responsible for my children's bad behaviour, not the fact that I'm not parenting them properly, etc..

I take full responsibilty for all of my actions and when I have children God willing I will be fully responsible for their actions till they are old enough to know otherwise.

Nice that you should create a little name for all those people who in your eyes are taking the easy way out

Thanks Goose

 

[Calaen]

Aaaaaagh! Miss the point by a fucking country mile why don't you? Its got nothing to do seventeen year olds driving like cocks; they always did, and because of declining birth rate, there are fewer of them now than ever before, but more people are being fined than ever, and road safety isn't improving! People are being fined because its easier to criminalise the law abiding majority than it is to clear up real crime, and it has a nice side effect that it makes money. But that's not the main point; driving is just one example of increased state control for no real benefit. Ever thought that if a law exists, but everyone ignores it, then maybe its a bad law? This is what I mean about your acceptance that somehow its their right to 'rule' you; it isn't.

As for the apathetic 'we can't change anything' attitude; yes we can. We've done it before (remember the poll tax? Well ID cards are far worse - a tax on free movement, with knobs on), and if the fucking French can get bad laws repealed, we should be able to as well. But we won't, because too many people think like you.

As Goose has already said stop speeding and they wont make any money :-(

I guess that means people like me are the Majority then?

 

[GDW]

It seems to me that Calaen, who doesnt get too stressed out about these issues, isn't allowed to state his opinion without agressive cocks jumping on his beliefs as if they feel that he has no right to express them....

....sounds a bit like the government those same agressive cocks are complaining about. Please remind me who the sheep are again?

 

[ECA]

Baa?

 

[Ch3tan]

Apart from the odd sheep comment no one has jumped on anyones back yet. This is the most reasoned debate I've seen on freddys...well since the beginning.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah folks speeding is bad. That's why two high profile cases have just been dismissed, one was doing 175mph the other 150. I don;t know the particulars of the 175mph case, but in the other the defendant was doing 150mph on an arrow straight road with no other traffic and no side turnings, hence the judge decreed it wasn't dangerous and he got let off. You can also now get specialist legal protection just in case you don;t like speed limits.

So yeah, speeding is terrible and must be punished. someone should probably tell the copper I followed into work yesterday doing 75 in a 60 without his flashers on though.

 

[ECA]

The right honourable chief constable of Durham on speeding:

Mr Garvin explained: "I actually believe in casualty reduction and trying to make the roads safer but, having looked at the accident statistics in this area, we find that if you break down the 1,900 collisions we have each year only three per cent involve cars that are exceeding the speed limit. Just 60 accidents per year involve vehicles exceeding the speed limit.

"You then need to look at causes of these 60 accidents. Speed may be a factor in the background but the actual cause of the accident invariably is drink-driving or drug-driving. Drug-taking is becoming more of a problem. In 40 per cent of fatal road accidents in this area one or more of the people involved have drugs in their system."

Many accidents were caused by fatigue, although one of the most common causes of crashes was the failure of drivers to watch out for oncoming vehicles when turning right. "The cause of accidents is clearly something different than exceeding the speed limit and we ought to be looking at those other factors," Mr Garvin said.

 

[Tom]

Well I reckon that boot stamping on a human face - forever, is probably Calaen's face tbh. But he won't mind as he won't be breaking any laws.

 

[ECA]

And he won't mind being detained for 24hrs under anti terrorism laws when an airport chemical detector is faulty and he's aggressively questioned by anti terrorism officers. Nor the strip search.

They are just doing their job.

 

[DaGaffer]

It seems to me that Calaen, who doesnt get too stressed out about these issues, isn't allowed to state his opinion without agressive cocks jumping on his beliefs as if they feel that he has no right to express them....

....sounds a bit like the government those same agressive cocks are complaining about. Please remind me who the sheep are again?

You know what, I may be 'an aggressive cock' but at least I fucking care about what's going on, rather than being lead by the nose. Calean isn't stating an opinion, if anything he's absolving himself from the need to have any opinion at all. I feel no guilt at all about attacking apathy and pig ignorance.

 

[Calaen]

You know what, I may be 'an aggressive cock' but at least I fucking care about what's going on, rather than being lead by the nose. Calean isn't stating an opinion, if anything he's absolving himself from the need to have any opinion at all. I feel no guilt at all about attacking apathy and pig ignorance.

Your fucking class really you are, you and Tom should go and hide in a fucking shed and tell each other stories about the dragons and the evil wizard that is going to steal you farm animals. I really do care just not enough to cry everyday for 3 hours about it. I am fucking sick of you whining like a bitch. Go become a politician and then you can do something about it rather than whining on FH. Until then I will keep my opinion that I am not doing to bad from this government and you cant prove it otherwise.

 

[Calaen]

And he won't mind being detained for 24hrs under anti terrorism laws when an airport chemical detector is faulty and he's aggressively questioned by anti terrorism officers. Nor the strip search.

They are just doing their job.

Your right but I do believe that after about 30 minutes they would realise their mistake. I bet your one of those cocks that moans when a flight is delayed. I think you guys need to lay off the Prozac.

 

[Calaen]

Well I reckon that boot stamping on a human face - forever, is probably Calaen's face tbh. But he won't mind as he won't be breaking any laws.

Dont understand.

 

[throdgrain]

I still love ya though Cal

 

[ECA]

Your right but I do believe that after about 30 minutes they would realise their mistake. I bet your one of those cocks that moans when a flight is delayed. I think you guys need to lay off the Prozac.

Lol.... I travel regularly and my mp3 player keeps me company, I usually have a few books, delays on flights are like delays on the railways, you just expect them.

As for 30 mins for a false positive? You're joking?

I take various metals through for business purposes and am usually waiting for 20-30 mins while the peeps look through my luggage and call someone more senior to check what I'm carrying isnt against regulations ( although quite a few of the airport staff recognise me now ). I think you'd be lucky at six hours for a false chemical positive. And thats at a foreign airport, in the UK I think you'd be lucky to be out in under 12 hours.

PS: Lufthansa rock, nice leather seats, and hot german air hostesses. Unlike the chavvy model wannabes/fat old uglies you get on UK airlines.