Child support

[Sparx]

I had a thought while at lunch imagine the situation;

You have a one night stand with a woman and through no-ones fault lets say the condom splits. She gets pregnant.

She comes to you and tells you she is preggers, you tell her right off you dont want a child, she tells you i dont care what you say im keeping it and due to you not wanting one you will never ever see the child, a threat she sticks to.

In a situation where you made it perfectly clear you didnt want a child, bearing in mind all the proper methods were taken and it was unfortunate, and you arent allowed to see the child.

Do you still think you should still be forced to pay maintenance?

BTW i dont have an opinion either way its a tough one, i can see both sides of the arguement

 

[old.Tohtori]

Shouldn't, but most likely would have to.

It's all f*cked and stacked up against the men also, females don't get nearly as bad child support demands etc.

I think that if you don't want the kid, or anything to do with it, you should be entitled to do so without extra pay.

 

[Sparx]

I know by Law there is no option, but i can see it from the mans point of view that due to no fault of his and he made it clear his feelings and they werent taken into consideration and now never allowed to see the child anyway why should he pay?

I can also see it from the womans that having an option like that could very easily be abused. But if he is forced to pay then surely she cant stop him from seeing the child seeing as he is paying for it

 

[fettoken]

Abortion? Forget i said anything. If "she" wants the child, "she" pay for it tbfh!

 

[Fafnir]

I know by Law there is no option, but i can see it from the mans point of view that due to no fault of his and he made it clear his feelings and they werent taken into consideration and now never allowed to see the child anyway why should he pay?

No fault? Well he did dip the wick. Sure he used a condom, but my common sense say anything made by man, can be broken by man. And i'm the product of a broken condom and birthcontrol pill that didnt work, so i've always known nothing is 100%

 

[soze]

I said this in the abortion topic, the girl has all the power no matter what you want she have have it terminated or tie you into 18 years of paying for it. I really to believe the guy needs to be able to say i do not want the kid i will have nothing to do with it and i will not pay. If that say that while an abortion is possible they should not have to pay as its the girls choice to carry on knowing there is no support.

 

[Huntingtons]

why?

so she has to go through the pain of an aborting, chance of being sterile, infection - hell even death... While you go scot free, no payment, no pain, nothing?

 

[old.Tohtori]

why?

so she has to go through the pain of an aborting, chance of being sterile, infection - hell even death... While you go scot free, no payment, no pain, nothing?

And why should a man pay for 18 years for one night, even if using protection and not just going in commando?

Responsible -> something occurs -> man should pay for 18 years if woman chooses so?

It seems this is the regular opinion, but why should women have all the power over it?

 

[Sparx]

Yeah thats what im thinking too. The woman makes the decision and the man has no power at all even tho he has taken all the precausions he could at the time

 

[soze]

why?

so she has to go through the pain of an aborting, chance of being sterile, infection - hell even death... While you go scot free, no payment, no pain, nothing?

If its a accident why should the man be the only one held accountable? The girl can so yes i want it now you pay for 18 years or no i dont want it im having an abortion. So for a mistake that took two the only person who you tink should pay is the guy?

I never said she had to abort just know she has no support then its still her choice.

 

[Sparx]

He took the precausion, chances are she wasnt on the pill in this situation.

She has the ultimate decision on what happens all he has is to pay for it

 

[ST^]

Just slapping on a condom does not cover "all the precautions".

 

[Sparx]

What more can a man do? apart from pulling out?

EDIT: i dont know many men who would pull out while wearing a johnny

 

[Zenith]

Since the whole thing about giving birth is not fair or even, Id say the payment should mirror that. Simple as that.

 

[Sparx]

But do you think its fair that the woman says you arent allowed to see the child at all?

I feel that if he has to pay then she should be allowed to see the child. Forget about what sort of people they are lets assume they are good people and not criminals etc

 

[soze]

This is getting silly to be honest what should a man do before having a one night stand? Get the chop? between this a silly little girls crying rape when they wake up a regret there actions its no wonder binge drinking is rife a guy needs to be slaughtered to take the chance of getting his dick wet.

 

[Sparx]

I have been on the receiving end of a girl crying rape and i can tell you it isnt fun at all being in a police station at 17 answering questions when you done absolutely nothing wrong, and then to find out the girl was 15 and she lied saying 17 so not only are you possibly being done for rape at 17 but also for sex with an underage girl

Horrible horrible stupid girls who do that

 

[megadave]

I have been on the receiving end of a girl crying rape and i can tell you it isnt fun at all being in a police station at 17 answering questions when you done absolutely nothing wrong, and then to find out the girl was 15 and she lied saying 17 so not only are you possibly being done for rape at 17 but also for sex with an underage girl

Horrible horrible stupid girls who do that

Oooooh, what happened in the end? :d

 

[Fafnir]

If you dont want to see the child, you should pay, if you are not allowed to see the child and there is no legal reason to disqualify you as a parent you should not be forced to pay. Everyone know how a child is made, if you are stupid enough not to make sure not to do anything to prevent it you have no rights to get away. Condoms breaks, the pill is not 100% so pull out.

 

[Sparx]

She was known to the rozzers, we werent the first guys her and her mate tried that on. So seeing as our stories matched they later admitted lying about their ages and it was all ok. Proper scary stuff tho, but you learn to be more careful during one night stands etc and that the girl is well aware of whats going on

 

[Sparx]

If you dont want to see the child, you should pay, if you are not allowed to see the child and there is no legal reason to disqualify you as a parent you should not be forced to pay. Everyone know how a child is made, if you are stupid enough not to make sure not to do anything to prevent it you have no rights to get away. Condoms breaks, the pill is not 100% so pull out.

Pulling out isnt 100% either, so what your saying is just dont have sex, one up the bum no harm done

 

[Huntingtons]

I never said she had to abort just know she has no support then its still her choice.

no its no her choice. what if she cannot afford having a child alone and doesnt dare taking the risk of getting an abortion?
youre not really taking responsibility for your actions of you demand her to abort it, or you wont pay for it. In either case, its her who has to take the responsibility, completly alone, wether it be an abortion or taking care of the child.

So your idea turns into the man wins solely.

 

[Sparx]

My original post isnt just focused on the baby being born its also on whether its fair for her to demand payment and then not allow the man to see the child after

 

[soze]

no its no her choice. what if she cannot afford having a child alone and doesnt dare taking the risk of getting an abortion?
youre not really taking responsibility for your actions of you demand her to abort it, or you wont pay for it. In either case, its her who has to take the responsibility, completly alone, wether it be an abortion or taking care of the child.

So your idea turns into the man wins solely.

So a mistake which is 50/50 if she wants it you don't you have to pay for the kid her choice 100%. If you want it she does not she gets an abortion again its 100% her choice. I'm sorry but i will never agree with you on this, for something that takes two people the bloke always has so little say. It does take two to get pregnant but blame always goes one way if i was a woman i would call it sexist tbh.

 

[Fafnir]

Pulling out isnt 100% either, so what your saying is just dont have sex, one up the bum no harm done

No be ready for a suprise. If you are not up to be a parent then dont have sex. People today tend to treat kids as an accessories, when they get annoying plant them infront of the tv or computer and ignore them. And some think its their right to have children. And some think abortion is a birthcontrol. A friends wife aborted 3 kids cause she was not ready, didnt want a child etc, when she was ready to become a mother with her husband it turned out the abortions had made her barren. So after she recovered from the shock they have now adotped 3 "unwanted" children.

But if the woman dont want the kid and you do? what then, should we force women to go thru the pregnancy, should we drug them for 9 months? It will never be fair until they can move the child from the mother and into the father.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No be ready for a suprise. If you are not up to be a parent then dont have sex.

That was true in the 50s perhaps.

These days it should reflect more on equal rights *cough* and the protection used, not just "Your dick was in, you pay!". Even though such equality in this is a pipedream.

In any case, it won't probably change in a long while and men will always be the ones paying without choices, unless the female is reasonable.
If you f*ck a b*tch...well...

Not to mention single fathers will get the short end of the stick in payments too, since judges don't tend to throw the book at deadbeat MOTHERS.

 

[Soazak]

No be ready for a suprise. If you are not up to be a parent then dont have sex. People today tend to treat kids as an accessories, when they get annoying plant them infront of the tv or computer and ignore them. And some think its their right to have children. And some think abortion is a birthcontrol. A friends wife aborted 3 kids cause she was not ready, didnt want a child etc, when she was ready to become a mother with her husband it turned out the abortions had made her barren. So after she recovered from the shock they have now adotped 3 "unwanted" children.

But if the woman dont want the kid and you do? what then, should we force women to go thru the pregnancy, should we drug them for 9 months? It will never be fair until they can move the child from the mother and into the father.

This ^^

If you don't want kids, the only 100% failsafe method is to not have sex. If it's your kid, you should pay for it, regardless of whether or not you want a child...sounds like an episode of Jeremy Kyle.


Although that said, if the mother will not allow the father access, then I personally do not believe child support should be paid. Some courts will also agree with this, the mother does not have the right to just exclude the father because she feels like it.

 

[Fafnir]

Although that said, if the mother will not allow the father access, then I personally do not believe child support should be paid. Some courts will also agree with this, the mother does not have the right to just exclude the father because she feels like it.

Totally agree with this.

 

[Fafnir]

That was true in the 50s perhaps.

These days it should reflect more on equal rights *cough* and the protection used, not just "Your dick was in, you pay!". Even though such equality in this is a pipedream.

So you think a single mother just sits around home living off the child support from the deadbeat dad?

And if you dont want to get childs, just go snip the pipes, if you tie them it's not 100% either. But the 100% procedure it none reverseable.

 

[Jeros]

What more can a man do? apart from pulling out?

EDIT: i dont know many men who would pull out while wearing a johnny

*meekly raises his hand*

and no I don't know why